Bill Belichick is the Most overrated coach in the NFL !!

[McBa1n]

Wow. Fun thread to watch. Belichick over-rated? Wow.
I admit the Pats are down, but where they are lacking is in the veteran 'football' guys. They have a LOT of young players right NOW.. But sheesh, they're still a contender going on how many years now? I guess that Belichick guy is just lucky or something... Haha.
I don't know if we've seen a better head coach in the league since Bill Walsh and even then, that's debating vs an all time great... Belichick is far from being done, but what he's done so far is amongst the best ever.

I also love how Cowboy fans call him 'cheatachick'... It was referenced earlier in the thread and something I've been harping about SINCE IT HAPPENED on deaf ears - That Jimmy Johnson said that Dallas used similar tactics when he was a coach and that most of the teams in the league were doing it, also. That statement didn't even get a news story in the mainstream press. I found it miraculous that no one else caught it. It's just Mangini broke the code and ratted the Patsies out.

[slacker00]

Good stuff, McBa1n. I totally agree.

One more note, Belichick's ATS record is incredible. I did a little write up about it a couple years ago:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/105848-lets-fade-bill-belichick-whos-down-p2.html#post1090190

I mean, the back & forth banter is fine, but we're all here about the nickels and dimes, right?

[Grits n' Gravy]

Belechek is known to be awful with his draft picks during his tenure.

Disagree????

Check the history. How many of his draft picks really panned out??

Mayo and.......


3 Super Bowls huh???

ahhhhh....... No.


The 1st doesn't count.


The Raiders beat them in the snow. They won that game. It was over.

Referees took care of that.....

I don't care what anyone says... and you heard me right...


The first one doesn't count!!! period.

yet the patriots did win the sb and the raiders are the worst team of the decade. sucks to be a raider fan.

[Tymmy]

lol week 1 vs cincy is this guy serious? they were up 31-3 do you think they are going to keep passing? wow dude just wowwwwwwwwwww

Hey... another dude.


He's known for classlesly running up the score in the 2nd half.

He tried to pass for another TD on the last play of the game.

This is amongst the many reasons he's(Belic) spiraled down.

OK dude???? wowwwwwwwww......

[Tymmy]

How about you tell me why? You've done nothing but talk out your ass since you joined this thread and haven't responded to a single question that I have asked you. If he didn't draft him then who did?

Can't wait to hear this.

How the hell does any of that prove you right. Are you delusional?

2007 was an easy schedule they played 6 teams with 10+ wins. And a total of 8 games against 500 or better teams. 2008 I will agree.

Oh and the man's name is Wilfork.

I did answer you dude. Read the thread. Only the Gm was making those decisions back then.

You did mention that you follow them religiously right??

It's only in the last 2 years that this division has been competitive.

For years through the decade, the AFC East has been a cupcake. That's 6 easy wins right there. Please......

Their schedule during those 2 years was EASY!!!!

Their division was the WEAKEST in the whole league= synonymous with the niners in the 80's in the NFC West.

Get your facts straight dude!! Read the thread so you don't have to repeat yourself.

Yeah..... talkin outta my ass..... You disagree?? You're not as knowledgeable as you claim to be surfer dude.

[Tymmy]

yet the patriots did win the sb and the raiders are the worst team of the decade. sucks to be a raider fan.

Good point. But they still lost that game.

[Tymmy]

You mean the starting defense that lost its pro bowl caliber DE and its best CB to the IR? The same defense that has six starters that are either rookies or 2nd year players but 1st year starters? Six defensive starters drafted in the past two drafts but he doesn't have it.

Maybe you are from Boston even though you talk like you're from California.

I hear this excuse every year from people(from Boston) after the Patriots lose!!!

"Oh well this guy was injured and he was out hurt." etc. etc......

News Flash Dude:

EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL HAS INJURIES. It is the NFL.

That excuse is old........ and quite frankly stupid.

I think you know truth. He's given away more good players to other teams in the last 5 years which in the end has cost them.

Since 2004, the defense(yes the genious's defense) has let them down much because he sent people away. Am I still talking out of my ass???

How many times have Pats fans asked, "Why did he give this guy away?? If we had him we probably would have won?"

A year later Samuel led the NFC in interceptions. And Patriots fans watch their season end because the defense got burned........... again!

Their defensive line has been getting run over!!!!!!!!! right after Mr. Cool genious, disciplinarian sent him to the Raiders.

I'm full of shit right??????


Dude!! Get a clue.

[slacker00]

how wade phillips still has a job is beyond me

Jerry Jones.

[hitman2010]

agree with all statements, but who are not. Can Pits win SB without Big Ben?

[rsnnh12]

Good point. But they still lost that game.

LOL


So they lost that game? Why? Because of the tuck rule? Well, the rule was called correctly, despite it being a stupid rule. And the refs also missed the shot to the head that Brady took on that play, which would have been a 15 yard penalty.


I can't believe that people are still complaining about the tuck rule

[mgcolby]

I did answer you dude. Read the thread. Only the Gm was making those decisions back then.

You did mention that you follow them religiously right??

It's only in the last 2 years that this division has been competitive.

For years through the decade, the AFC East has been a cupcake. That's 6 easy wins right there. Please......

Their schedule during those 2 years was EASY!!!!

Their division was the WEAKEST in the whole league= synonymous with the niners in the 80's in the NFC West.

Get your facts straight dude!! Read the thread so you don't have to repeat yourself.

Yeah..... talkin outta my ass..... You disagree?? You're not as knowledgeable as you claim to be surfer dude.

Wow you really have issues. Belichick is and has been the GM since he was hired in 2000, you fuckin bonehead. There is that boston enough for you, or how about you're wicked ******* numb? Pioli was the Director of player personnel. Hence, why I was asking you who - as in give me a name - was the GM.

If you think that the only reason the Pats went 18-1 was due to an easy schedule then your knowledge of football is severely lacking.

By the way dipshit I'm from Waltham, kinda narly huh.

[mgcolby]

Maybe you are from Boston even though you talk like you're from California.

I hear this excuse every year from people(from Boston) after the Patriots lose!!!

"Oh well this guy was injured and he was out hurt." etc. etc......

News Flash Dude:

EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL HAS INJURIES. It is the NFL.

That excuse is old........ and quite frankly stupid.

I think you know truth. He's given away more good players to other teams in the last 5 years which in the end has cost them.

Since 2004, the defense(yes the genious's defense) has let them down much because he sent people away. Am I still talking out of my ass???

How many times have Pats fans asked, "Why did he give this guy away?? If we had him we probably would have won?"

A year later Samuel led the NFC in interceptions. And Patriots fans watch their season end because the defense got burned........... again!

Their defensive line has been getting run over!!!!!!!!! right after Mr. Cool genious, disciplinarian sent him to the Raiders.

I'm full of shit right??????


Dude!! Get a clue.

Name one player other than Asante, that left or went to another team that has performed at or above the level he did in NE?

Good luck. All I hear from you is the same drivel that comes spewing out of the mouths of Felger, Gasper and Borges. The same ol'- if we talk negative enough it will eventually come true. And I wasn't making excuses about injuries. Injuries are part of the game and I could care less what fans in and around Boston think, the whole region is full of people who get off on bitching and moaning. See Patsfans.com! Hell you would fit right in, throw out a bunch of statements and offer 0 substance to back it up. They aren't happy unless they are complaining.

You have yet to tell me who drafted Seymour other than the "GM" who was in fact Belichick.

You can keep arguing if you like, but is clear you don't have any idea what you are talking about and all you can do is throw out "well everyone in Boston is saying this, so it must be true" argument. Bring some facts that you can support with a coherent thought and maybe I'll consider debating further. But at this point it is obvious that you are lost.

[slacker00]

agree with all statements, but who are not. Can Pits win SB without Big Ben?

I honestly think Pitts is doing better WITHOUT Ben. Trade that mofo before his value goes any lower.

[Tymmy]

Yeah Yeah..... Have it your way. That was never called back then. The rest of the world knows what a sham that was. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what they were up too..... Even New Englanders realize. Some just won't admit it.

LOL


So they lost that game? Why? Because of the tuck rule? Well, the rule was called correctly, despite it being a stupid rule. And the refs also missed the shot to the head that Brady took on that play, which would have been a 15 yard penalty.


I can't believe that people are still complaining about the tuck rule

[Tymmy]

Wow you really have issues. Belichick is and has been the GM since he was hired in 2000, you fuckin bonehead. There is that boston enough for you, or how about you're wicked ******* numb? Pioli was the Director of player personnel. Hence, why I was asking you who - as in give me a name - was the GM.

If you think that the only reason the Pats went 18-1 was due to an easy schedule then your knowledge of football is severely lacking.

By the way dipshit I'm from Waltham, kinda narly huh.

Huh Huh HUH......... Somehow I knew you'd start swearing, dropping f-bombs and such....

I guess you're not toying with me anymore dude right????


What's the matter dude????

Don't worry... I won't respond swearing at you.

Am I suprised you're from Waltham????

Hmmmn.................. No

Typical Walthamite..... Not exactly known for their intellegence.

Dude!!! Why do you think threads(that i didn't start) like this even exist????

Because he's a great individual, wonderful coach, and genious??????

You can argue with the world Dude. And you're still another stupid guy from Waltham.

[mgcolby]

Huh Huh HUH......... Somehow I knew you'd start swearing, dropping f-bombs and such....

I guess you're not toying with me anymore dude right????


What's the matter dude????

Don't worry... I won't respond swearing at you.

Am I suprised you're from Waltham????

Hmmmn.................. No

Typical Walthamite..... Not exactly known for their intellegence.

Dude!!! Why do you think threads(that i didn't start) like this even exist????

Because he's a great individual, wonderful coach, and genious??????

You can argue with the world Dude. And you're still another stupid guy from Waltham.

You have presented 0 facts in this entire debate outside of he drafted poorly for a couple of years in the later rounds. You were completely wrong about who the GM is and have ignored every other point that clearly showed you were wrong.

All you have done is presented unsubstantiated opinions and no, other people's opinions void of fact does not substantiate your opinion. You have yet to present a coherant argument in this entire thread. And the fact that you use this thread's existance as some sort of validation of your short sighted opinion is comical. Considering that the OP has stopped arguing the point. At least he tried to present facts regardless of how misguided they were.

Bottom line Belichick has won more games than any other coach in the past 10 years, among the all time leaders in playoff wins as a HC. Has had 9 straight winning seasons, and in those 9 years he has either won or finished with the same record as the division winner. Won 3 Super Bowls, coached his team to 4. Played in 5 AFC championships and won 4.

And calling me stupid is hillarious considering the level of substance presented by you in this thread. How about putting two sentences together or better yet five and make it a paragraph.

You can have the last word but I'm done talking to you. it is clear you are simply an uneducated sports fan who relies on the media to tell him what he thinks. And a person who ignores facts when they are presented proving their opinion or argument to be false.

Enjoy the site, I'm sure you will do well here.

[Tymmy]

Name one player other than Asante, that left or went to another team that has performed at or above the level he did in NE?

Good luck. All I hear from you is the same drivel that comes spewing out of the mouths of Felger, Gasper and Borges. The same ol'- if we talk negative enough it will eventually come true. And I wasn't making excuses about injuries. Injuries are part of the game and I could care less what fans in and around Boston think, the whole region is full of people who get off on bitching and moaning. See Patsfans.com! Hell you would fit right in, throw out a bunch of statements and offer 0 substance to back it up. They aren't happy unless they are complaining.

You have yet to tell me who drafted Seymour other than the "GM" who was in fact Belichick.

You can keep arguing if you like, but is clear you don't have any idea what you are talking about and all you can do is throw out "well everyone in Boston is saying this, so it must be true" argument. Bring some facts that you can support with a coherent thought and maybe I'll consider debating further. But at this point it is obvious that you are lost.

Delusional, Issues...... Nice adjectives Dude.

So you've blown a gasket Dude.

Was it the truth that made you blow your top????

It must have been the part(the truth that is), where I reminded you how he's singlehandedly made the team worse by dealing players away.

He had a team in the Super Bowl in 07(to answer your point). (and yes their schedule was easy)

Dude, He made them worse.

Who has he replaced these players with through the years??

Roosevelt Colvin, Adalius Thomas(just as examples) right??? They were great players right???

"The Pats are gonna be awesome this year???"

How many times have I heard statements like this after the great one brought guys like this in Dude??????

he he he..... and you were one of them

Why weren't they great in NE????
He's a genious. Can't he still make sure they are good players?? Get the point dude?? Don't let Waltham get in your way now.

Boston media???? Don't watch really. I actually see them like you dude....very bias, therefore effecting sound judgement. Ahhhhhh.. you are from Waltham.

The local media not liking great Bill??? Haven't really noticed.. but I'll take your word for it.

Fans are bitching and moaning are they???? Also haven't noticed.

If they are, what does that do to your argument??

ARE ALL THOSE PEOPLE WRONG DUDE??????????

Bringing facts... Well dude that's all I've brought. And you blew your top.

Can't take the heat......

Again, doesn't it bother you(with all that talent) pissed away, not utilized correctly, etc?????????

No Dude...... No F-bombs from me.

You're just a stupid(already said) ignorant, meat head from Waltham living in your little world of Boston sports, weei, and Dancing with the Stars.....


BravoBaby..:bowdown

[Keith Richard]

I thought the Patriots made a big mistake when they they first signed him.

[Keith Richard]

Boy, was I ever wrong!

[Keith Richard]

I also thought Terry Francona was a total loser. Yep, I am 2 for 2 on judging coaches.

[Tymmy]

Huh Huh HUH......... Somehow I knew you'd start swearing, dropping f-bombs and such....

I guess you're not toying with me anymore dude right????


What's the matter dude????

Don't worry... I won't respond swearing at you.

Am I suprised you're from Waltham????

Hmmmn.................. No

Typical Walthamite..... Not exactly known for their intellegence.

Dude!!! Why do you think threads(that i didn't start) like this even exist????

Because he's a great individual, wonderful coach, and genious??????

You can argue with the world Dude. And you're still another stupid guy from Waltham.

bump

[Grits n' Gravy]

Best coach of his era. No argument can be made otherwise.

[Naz18]

If you like him or don't....he is a great coach, don't bring your bias into this.

[mgcolby]

bump

You bumped the thread that contained post after post of your stupidity?

You really are a genius!

The guy sucks and can't draft

14 1st or 2nd year players are either starting or playing significant roles on offense and defense. ST's not included.

14!

And you bump this thread!

[Tymmy]

You're a biased Boston retard. Significant roles.... You think they're better than they are.

Care to wager come playoff time Waltham meat head dude???

[Tymmy]

He has been known as a poor drafter. He kept the vastly overrated receiver too long and won nothing with him.

[Tymmy]

If you like him or don't....he is a great coach, don't bring your bias into this.

No bias here. That's my dude friend's game. He's a defensive coach. Since 04 his defenses have been getting burned consistently by good to better teams.

The teams weakness over these years has been defense. Fact. Good coach yes... but a bit overrated.

[mgcolby]

You're a biased Boston retard. Significant roles.... You think they're better than they are.

Care to wager come playoff time Waltham meat head dude???

I think they are 7-2! just fact! Coming into the weekend there were 4 teams in the AFC that were 6-2, NE was one of them and they are now 2-1 against the other 3 teams.

Those are the only facts that matter.

Care to wager what? That Belichick is the best coach in football? Sure its not debatable, the only one that fails to realize it is you.

Historically a poor drafter? Prove it? Go through and tell me how many of his draft picks since 2000 are still in the NFL as opposed to the other 31 teams over that same span. Otherwise shut up, because you are talking out of your ass.

And to address your comment about bias, I am extremely objective when it comes to the Pats. When they suck I will say as such. right now they don't suck. pretty simple to understand even for a dumbass such as yourself.

[Tymmy]

I think they are 7-2! just fact! Coming into the weekend there were 4 teams in the AFC that were 6-2, NE was one of them and they are now 2-1 against the other 3 teams.

Those are the only facts that matter.

Care to wager what? That Belichick is the best coach in football? Sure its not debatable, the only one that fails to realize it is you.

Historically a poor drafter? Prove it? Go through and tell me how many of his draft picks since 2000 are still in the NFL as opposed to the other 31 teams over that same span. Otherwise shut up, because you are talking out of your ass.

And to address your comment about bias, I am extremely objective when it comes to the Pats. When they suck I will say as such. right now they don't suck. pretty simple to understand even for a dumbass such as yourself.

You have absolutely no objectivity whatsoever when it comes to the Patriots. You are a recorded message of Boston fans. You repeat the same things that come out of the masses from bean town.

You're an idiot. They sucked last week and were good last night. That's the fact. Your aforementioned list was garbage with the exception of the two I credited him. Why has he been criticized all over the country(except some boston media) for poor drafting??? A typical biased Boston person like yourself has no answer because YOU"RE NOT OBJECTIVE!!!

I give him credit for beating a good team last night. That wasn't happening very frequently over the last few years(as I mentioned before). You ought to reread the thread.

Oh assclown??? His reputation has been tarnished(also previously mentioned) for the last several years. Step outside of Boston and you'll see how well thought of he is. Wow, you're saying he's the best coach? Sing me another song. That thought has diminished a long time ago.

objectiveity

[spongerat]

wow i'm really bored cause I just read this thread.

Tymmy's baseless rants and incorrect spelling of "genius" as "genious" did make me laugh though, especially the part where he called mgcolby ignorant.

Tymmy, if you're younger than 13, stay in school, if not don't admit it.

PS i live in Allston, go Boston!

[The Seer]

lol at this thread

[Tymmy]

wow i'm really bored cause I just read this thread.

Tymmy's baseless rants and incorrect spelling of "genius" as "genious" did make me laugh though, especially the part where he called mgcolby ignorant.

Tymmy, if you're younger than 13, stay in school, if not don't admit it.

PS i live in Allston, go Boston!

Oh another Bostonian. I do apologize for the misspelling. My fault... But is that the best you got??

Yes, you're right. I am in agreement. My rants are baseless..... only in Allston and the surrounding areas.

Thanks for proving one of my points. You guys crack me up.

Make sure you bring a box of tissues to McColby. He lives right down the street.

[ssk13809]

To me Bill Belichek is the best coach in NFL history

[mgcolby]

You have absolutely no objectivity whatsoever when it comes to the Patriots. You are a recorded message of Boston fans. You repeat the same things that come out of the masses from bean town.

You're an idiot. They sucked last week and were good last night. That's the fact. Your aforementioned list was garbage with the exception of the two I credited him. Why has he been criticized all over the country(except some boston media) for poor drafting??? A typical biased Boston person like yourself has no answer because YOU"RE NOT OBJECTIVE!!!

I give him credit for beating a good team last night. That wasn't happening very frequently over the last few years(as I mentioned before). You ought to reread the thread.

Oh assclown??? His reputation has been tarnished(also previously mentioned) for the last several years. Step outside of Boston and you'll see how well thought of he is. Wow, you're saying he's the best coach? Sing me another song. That thought has diminished a long time ago.

objectiveity

You know, you take a lot of liberties with your "knowledge" of me. I live in Virginia and have for the past 10 years. I'm originally from Waltham. Its hard no to insult you because you are a tool.

I don't parrot any of the shit that comes out of the Boston media or fan base, I actually watch the games and form my own opinion based on what I see. I also watch the other 31 teams play, I also pay attention to how they draft. What I don't do is use the media criticism of the team or Belichick as the "proof" to support an unsubstantiated statement. You obviously are incapable of thinking on your own, and you have been wrong on just about everything you have said in this thread. And when called on it you ignore it and run your mouth about the town that I moved out of when I was 13 like the little mental midget that you are.

Given that I am bored at the moment, watching you make a fool of yourself has been amusing. But it loses its luster when you can't present an argument beyond "Why has he been criticized all over the country". If you can't figure out why people criticize him then you are incapable of reasonable thought.

[Tymmy]

Oh another Bostonian. I do apologize for the misspelling. My fault... But is that the best you got??

Yes, you're right. I am in agreement. My rants are baseless..... only in Allston and the surrounding areas.

Thanks for proving one of my points. You guys crack me up.

Make sure you bring a box of tissues to McColby. He lives right down the street.

I'm sorry Sponge.... I just can't help myself. Sooooooo are you guys like friends????

If you arrrrrrre..... well... like.... do you think he can answer any of my questions???

Why has the team's main weakness been defense since 04??? The genius(think I got it right now, thank you) specializes in defense right????

Call him and ask him.