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The first grab was worse than the second one. He clearly held him up and slowed him down so that he couldn't run the route in the time they practiced. The defender even admitted so in the post game.Originally Posted by khicks26
Funny how you think that a play they practiced all week long was overthrown by several yards and the defender didn't affect the play. A little hold was all. Mahomes just over-throws receivers by 5 or 6 yards all the time. LOL.
The one within 5 yds and JU JU ran into Bradberry making a bad cut. JU JU affected that route more than Bradberry.
Mahomes is throwing to a spot, he doesn't hit that spot every time.
he hits the spot 8 or 9 times out of 10 and never misses by 5 or more yards.
Depends on pressure from the Def.
of course and there wasn't nearly enough pressure on him to make him miss by that much.
Why are you guys even arguing over this? He admitted that he held him.
If you want to be mad for the Eagles losing, be mad at Hurts and the Eagles defense.
Its mind boggling but in today's world that's how it goes. Guy admits he was wrong and people will double down.
It's the inconsistency they pick and choose when they want to throw these flags. Crabtree got held worse in the 2013 superbowl on the goaline. Game on the line no call
There are always missed calls, but I'm not sure that's reason to complain about a correct call that's not missed. It will never be perfect unless every play is reviewed, and even then not perfect.
Maybe it would be nice if they allowed coaches to challenge any type of call in the Super Bowl, and allow for some extra challenges. Yeah, the game is long, but who cares. Start it a half hour earlier. Allow them to challenge penalties or missed penalties. Ot at least allow it in the 4th quarter maybe?
as with a lot of people, much easier to point the finger at a referee, or whatever else, than to self-reflect and admit you were a complete idiot for choosing this side
it doesn't matter if he can catch it or not.
listen to the referee. prior to the pass holding
good point.
if it's during the pass it's pi, in which case you can say uncatchable. look at the replay the hold happens well before the pass.
Human error and corruption will always be debated in sports officiating.
When to end the debate is just as passionate.
It seems very hard for sports fans to state their grievance and move on, the debates sometimes last decades, unfortunately
the professional referee for fox said it. "at the initial break he grabbed the back of the jersey and pulled it"
yeah it's the super bowl. takes a few days to come down from the passion of it. you know it's dead space for football bettors until september. that's what makes it so tough. i understand it
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yup we know if they throw a flag for PI they take it back sometimes if they feel the pass was uncatchable. This was holding so its irrelevant whether he could have caught it or not. Impossible to say because he held him and thus preventing him from route.
i remember the last super bowl, the one before that. you think about it all offseason
yeah exactly he doesn't get held it might be a td. but he got held, mahomes got pressured and he wasn't open, but mahomes was looking for him. why wasn't he open, could have been the hold.
could they have let it go, yeah. if they didn't let it go, it should be just as controversial, because they let one go in the 2q on 3rd down, if you remember the chief receiver complained
will be debated for ages. main thing is the eagles lose and chiefs win lol
as for not calling it, you can debate this forever. this was nba, but a missed call, might have ended the lakers season. the lakers deserved to win this game.
I'm beginning to think Mahomes saw the hold and intentionally overthrew it to 1.) make the hold seem worse than it was to the ref 2.) make sure ball wasn't intercepted in the event no hold was called. If true what a massively high iq play
Okay I've had enough of this now. NFL season is over.
Whatever happened to ball wasn't catchable
Penalty occurred before pass was thrown
I'm not an expert, but I think because the defensive hold happened before the throw, then that's why it was called holding. If the ball was in the air and the defender held him, then it would be PI. In this case, I don't think it matters that it was overthrown or even thrown at all for that matter. Think of a play where the QB is scrambling looking for receivers downfield, refs can still call defensive holding even if the ball doesn't go to the offensive player that got held. I feel like we've seen a lot of questionable calls, but this one isn't really that dramatic. He was held coming out of that first break, defender with a handful of jersey. Just happened at a pivotal point in the game.
Mahomes won the game when he had that huge scramble on that drive, that was a great play. The defender should have known the situation that a penalty would end the game he should have just let himself get beat on the route they would have scored a touchdown and they would have still had a chance to tie it with time left
Maybe he didn't want to risk it knowing Andy Reid should go for 2 in that situation
No reason for reid to go for 2
please correct me if I'm wrong here, this may be a collage rule.
If you hold before the ball is in the air its holding
If the ball is in the air its PI
I not 100% on this but I think that's the rules
Im not debating the call here one way or the other, I just thought there was a difference of what the call would be, by when you did it
you are correct. If the ref called holding, which he did, then its a 5 year penalty and an automatic first down as I am sure you are aware. If the call was PI, then its a spot foul at the point of the infraction and also an automatic first down as we all know.
My point was a small one in that if the call was PI which is was not, I have seen the refs pick up the flag many times for a couple reasons. 1) if the ball was uncatchable and 2) if the ball was tipped somewhere along the way, usually by DL or LB. When its defensive holding, those 2 don't apply.
yeah. if he would have done that while the ball is being thrown i'm pretty sure they pick up the flag.
but, as people are saying he might have been open
so, that ends that.
and the millions of betters who had Chiefs went like this
and quote OP I dont bet NFL it's WWE put this up as biggest idiotic thread in history of SBR
I wasn't disputing your post just pointing out a difference in the calls.I agree that on a holding call uncatchable should not matter, as it would in pi
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