John Morrison 2010 NBA

[Niskel]

Should I take teams up to -16 and play moneyline on them? I don´t find nevada in my bookie.. perhaps I have missed something as always?

[shermanator]

golden state [B] bet?

[chilidog]

yup

[COYLO]

P.S.
Record this year:
v1: 11-1 (1 loss is from a canceled series after the "A bet" when steve nash got inured, see rule # 3)
v2: 5-1 (1 loss is on a "C" wager; aprox 16 unit loss)
v3: 9-0

dont forget that timberwolves balls up lol, yeah the one where he laughed at how he fked up

[ghislaine]

Also some times its good to reduce the juice by choosing money line on teams that are huge favorites. I.e> pick a couple huge favorites in college a long with golden state or do what i did.

ML Mia, ML Boston, and GSW +10. You get just about even money this way so it will dramatically reduce your "C wager" if it goes that far. All though it does goes against the system, it is verly likely Boston and Miami will both crush their opponents. Last time Boston lost to toronto was a total fluke the way the game ended. I assure they will not lose this time around.

GL Warriors +10

Other bet im making... take all the college teams at are -16 point favorites and money line them. There has not been very many upsets recently especially with the big favorites. Even money for this one as well even though there are like 10 teams. Oh i through in Boise ML on this parlay also even though they are listed at -14 right now. They should stomp nevada. GL all.

First of all, LMFAO, my browser froze and I ended up hitting f5 wich resulted in me giving You the two points times three

Oh, very well, You do deserve them anyway.

This is exactly what I have been doing. Using labby, so never really even worry about the losses and steadily growing my bankroll. I too pick a couple sure winners and play ML when there is not too much action with JM. Yesterday played LA Clippers and Atlanta Hawks ML and got two winners there

You guys rock, I love You to pieces !! and hey, JW Cash and Kev the Comic, where are You, its getting booohoooring here

[EasyHustlin]

so what do u do with the rest of the line if a series goes to c then wins, just use it for the next avail series?

If a labby goes to C and wins then just carry it over to the next series to start. If you have 2 or 3 lines that didn't get cleared, you can combine them if you want. It's really up to you.

[GGPLAYER]

golden state [b] bet?

This thread cracks me up

[J.M. Disciple]

Should I take teams up to -16 and play moneyline on them? I don´t find nevada in my bookie.. perhaps I have missed something as always?

ML the teams that are -16 favorites and higher. so -16 through -26 i think was the highest money line available.

Take Boise ML vs nevada. (boise is -14 favorite) but they should go undefeated this season.

GL all. Hopefully i come back into town and see my bankroll has grown a couple units

[lilb999]

Ok so ive been looking up the labby system so lets see if I understand this correctly.

I only started with $200 bankroll...Currently $260. I did not bet on the Phenoix loss, thank goodness (yes its small, im a college kid just tryin to make a few extra bucks for books and whatnot)
5% of $200 bankroll = $10.
Bet to win $10 is $17 (after buying the 3 points)

So this is what itll look like.

5-5-5-5

If I win itll be x-5-5-x

If I win again itll close the line and ill start over correct?

Now lets say I lose (A) bet.

5-5-5-5-17 or 7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5

If I lose (B) bet.

5-5-5-5-17-36.3 or 12-12-12-12

And so on and so on...


Someone please tell me im understanding this correctly.

I doubt I can have multiple lines going considering how small my bankroll is.

Thank you!

[Wilba]

This thread cracks me up

Then why waste your time and our thread space by coming in here posting?

You know what cracks me up? people like you coming here all the time to post crap like that. I mean jeez, get a life, seriously. You got way too much time on your hands.

ps jmjj with your earlier post about JM MLB this season you are absolutely right in all that you posted. The season was a shocker and I cant believe that scamming loser weaseled his way out of admitting all but 1 loss. What a turd

[chilidog]

Ok so ive been looking up the labby system so lets see if I understand this correctly.

I only started with $200 bankroll...Currently $260. I did not bet on the Phenoix loss, thank goodness (yes its small, im a college kid just tryin to make a few extra bucks for books and whatnot)
5% of $200 bankroll = $10.
Bet to win $10 is $17 (after buying the 3 points)

So this is what itll look like.

5-5-5-5

If I win itll be x-5-5-x

If I win again itll close the line and ill start over correct?

Now lets say I lose (A) bet.

5-5-5-5-17 or 7.5-7.5-7.5-7.5

If I lose (B) bet.

5-5-5-5-17-36.3 or 12-12-12-12

And so on and so on...


Someone please tell me im understanding this correctly.

I doubt I can have multiple lines going considering how small my bankroll is.

Thank you!

Yup, completely correct. GL!

[COYLO]

i did better with my own picks this mlb season than he did with his

[Wilba]

I swear the same questions are asked in this thread every single day.

yes that is true stevex, but in Niskels defence he appears to have at least made an effort scanning early pages in the thread to find V3 info, and there is no info about V3 in the early thread. It is a long thread and it would take a very ling time to scan through the whole thing looking for a titbit of info. It takes someone a very short time to answer his question - the time it took u to write the above post, you could have easily just answered his question in that time, and helped him out.

Also with your previous post about "I cant believe this crap is still being talked about.. just use a labby its simple" or something like that (you have posted similar comments many times) - I respect the way that YOU like to use the system, and I respect that it works for you. I can also respect you giving ADVICE to other people on how YOU (thats you, not everyone) like to play the system, and find profitable. However just coz you like playing it the way you do does not mean that everyone else will. I for one, am confident that I have a better way of playing it than you do (and I have backtested my theory over nearly a decade to back up that belief) but I do not go round telling you that you are an idiot for missing out on profits.

You saying "dont buy points, use a labby, make money" is your OPINION on the best way to use the system, it is not FACT. Just as I respect that you like what works best for you, dont bash other people for liking a different way, and especially dont ridicule them for exploring for themselves if there is a more profitable way to play the system than what you preach.

FREEDOM OF CHOICE SHOULD BE RESPECTED BY ALL

[Wilba]

It's simple for ANY of JM's systems.....do a labby, so when a C bet DOES lose you won't be down nearly as much as if you chased. I don't understand why people keep going back and forth about this stupid crap. DON'T CHASE.

"so when a C bet DOES lose you won't be down nearly as much as if you chased."

this is true. However you fail to point out that when using a labby, when a C bet WINS then you are actually down for that series, even though it was a series win. Then you gotta win the next series to even get close to breaking even (instead of two wins). And C bets win 81% of the time..

I do not disagree with your method and I think it works well, but if you gonna tell the story tell the whole story not just the favorable bits. A statement like above is misleading to people who dont know better.

GL today everyone. Go golden state!

[jcygts6]

yea disadvantage of using a labby is that you profit way less than using martingale.

[jcygts6]

well the saying holds true... the more risk you take the bigger return you can expect.

[SolidDala]

well labby does not return a profit for a single series on a Cwin yes, but the next Abet is bigger then a regular chase Abet and if wins, returns a bigger profit then martingale for that series..

[Wilba]

well labby does not return a profit for a single series on a Cwin yes, but the next Abet is bigger then a regular chase Abet and if wins, returns a bigger profit then martingale for that series..

Absolutely. But why ramp up the amount on an A bet when if you play every A bet of all time you will actually lose money??

(A bets when buying 3 points % win rate = 61.82% all time, at odds of -170 or worse this makes a loss, when not buying any points A bets hit 51.5 % of the time, which again makes a loss)

so again, ramping up the value of an A bet to more/as much as B and C bets makes no sense to me. Treating A, B, C bets all the same (which in an ongoing labby you do) means that you are not taking advantage of the much better win rates of B bets (66.08% all time) and C bets (80.49%)

Not at all saying I think labby is a bad way to play it, coz I dont think that. It will make money long term which is the aim

[Wilba]

well the saying holds true... the more risk you take the bigger return you can expect.

exactly! as all a labby is is a slightly more conservative martingale! hence slightly less risk = slightly less payout. You can just as easily do less risk (and more $ payout) through skipping all A bets and cashing in with higher bet amounts on the higher percentage B and C's. You play less series' but when you do you can cash it much bigger/ Thats way less risky than chasing your losses with a potentially drawn out labby IMO

btw stevex you do realise that a labby is a form of a chase system right? coz i heard you say a couple of times "dont chase, use labby." but a labby is a form of chase!? (chase = ramping up bet amounts after every loss)

[JW Cash]

Absolutely. But why ramp up the amount on an A bet when if you play every A bet of all time you will actually lose money??

(A bets when buying 3 points % win rate = 61.82% all time, at odds of -170 or worse this makes a loss, when not buying any points A bets hit 51.5 % of the time, which again makes a loss)

so again, ramping up the value of an A bet to more/as much as B and C bets makes no sense to me. Treating A, B, C bets all the same (which in an ongoing labby you do) means that you are not taking advantage of the much better win rates of B bets (66.08% all time) and C bets (80.49%)

Not at all saying I think labby is a bad way to play it, coz I dont think that. It will make money long term which is the aim

I think my 2 line labby takes advantage of the
positive points you bring up....

Line 1.....I play the A BET

if it loses......I divide the loss and put say.....65% of the
loss on Line B and the remaining 35% on Line 1

Now the B Bet has a higher pct to win...so if it hits...I
have recovered 65% of the A Bet loss plus my regular
labby unit amount...

If B Bet loses I divide the loss equally between Line 1 and Line 2..
and play the C Bet on Line 1

So...seeing that C Bet has a much higher pct to win.....
if it hits on Line 1....I have recovered my regular unit amount +
35 % of the A Bet loss and 50% of the B bet loss...

Sitting on Line 2 at that time then...is 65% of the A loss and 50%
of the B loss...which is recovered quickly cause Line 2 has a higher
pct to win cause that is where I play the B Bets...


Sounds totally confusing but once you do it over and over
again...it becomes second nature....

[JW Cash]

exactly! as all a labby is is a slightly more conservative martingale! hence slightly less risk = slightly less payout. You can just as easily do less risk (and more $ payout) through skipping all A bets and cashing in with higher bet amounts on the higher percentage B and C's. You play less series' but when you do you can cash it much bigger/ Thats way less risky than chasing your losses with a potentially drawn out labby IMO

btw stevex you do realise that a labby is a form of a chase system right? coz i heard you say a couple of times "dont chase, use labby." but a labby is a form of chase!? (chase = ramping up bet amounts after every loss)

When stevex mentions " chase " I interpret it as the way Morrison
describes it in his pdf

A Bet Bet to win 1 Unit
B Bet Bet to win 2 Units
C Bet Bet to win 4 Units

...for a profit of 1 Unit or C Bet loss means 7 Unit loss ( plus juice )


Before I started doing labby...I chased that way...not
only on Morrison stuff but my own systems....

But I couldnt handle the STRESS of a C bet...

So I started a " modified " 3 game chase sequence...

A Bet Bet to win 1 Unit
B Bet Bet to win 2 Units or 1.5 Units
C bet Bet to win 1 Unit

Less profit...but that was totally acceptable to me due
to the fact that there the C Bet STRESS was gone....

Using the " modified " chase....if you had a C Bet loss or C Bet WIN, you
then had a small loss for that series...

Any C Bet loss or Win I recovered by dividing
that loss among the next 5 or 6 series....

The C bet Loss/Win with the modified was OK though....coz....The vast majority of bets are WON on A bets and B bets...


Hope this helps...

[Wilba]

I think my 2 line labby takes advantage of the
positive points you bring up....

Line 1.....I play the A BET

if it loses......I divide the loss and put say.....65% of the
loss on Line B and the remaining 35% on Line 1

Now the B Bet has a higher pct to win...so if it hits...I
have recovered 65% of the A Bet loss plus my regular
labby unit amount...

If B Bet loses I divide the loss equally between Line 1 and Line 2..
and play the C Bet on Line 1

So...seeing that C Bet has a much higher pct to win.....
if it hits on Line 1....I have recovered my regular unit amount +
35 % of the A Bet loss and 50% of the B bet loss...

Sitting on Line 2 at that time then...is 65% of the A loss and 50%
of the B loss...which is recovered quickly cause Line 2 has a higher
pct to win cause that is where I play the B Bets...


Sounds totally confusing but once you do it over and over
again...it becomes second nature....

Sure! and that seems like a well thought out and clever way to implement the system.. Well done for using your own brain and coming up with a more suitable way to implement it than what was suggested to you.

The point I was trying to make was that there are many, many good money management techniques that you can use very effectively with this system. Yours is a very good example. However I have a problem with people saying "this is my way, and my way is the only right way, and if you don't do it my way then you are stupid".

and yes I agree with your point in the next post about C bet stress levels. If you do a full martingale from A bet on (esp. w/ the 3 points) then C's become very stressful. The best way I found was to just sit out A's all together and put the extra into B/C. Definately less exciting and you get much less action, but it works well.

Thanks for explaining your method it is a good one

[stevex]

[b] Bet win with Golden State tn! Congrats all that played it. Next play(s) will be on Sunday (28th) with the Pacers and Portland.

[qwerty123]

glad we came out with the win. looked doubtful a few times

[stevex]

I know, tough game to watch. Golden State started off bad, came back, finished the 1st half down 10. Came back and almost tied it, then where down 10 again. Made the game interesting late in the 4th, but we still covered luckily! Just a sloppy game by both teams.

[Wilba]

I know, tough game to watch. Golden State started off bad, came back, finished the 1st half down 10. Came back and almost tied it, then where down 10 again. Made the game interesting late in the 4th, but we still covered luckily! Just a sloppy game by both teams.

Ya I was so grateful when they were down by 10 at HT coz I stupidly missed the wager before the game started! with the HT line at +10 I got GS +1 for 2nd half (ie spread of +11 on the game) and so got the win.. I woulda been so pissed if I missed it!

nice work everyone who played it

haha that cheerleader icon is so pathetic!

[ghislaine]

San Antonio V 3
Indiana and Portland V 1
tomorrows plays !!!
Might moneyline some favorites though tonight !! Any tips, or on parlay ??

Take care

[stevex]

ghislaine just make sure that you don't over extend yourself. If you're sticking with the JM NBA system then just stick to that. That's how bankrolls easily get killed when you start looking for action because the system has a few nights off.

[Niskel]

I always take 2 % of my total amount.. and use labby... I think its a good way to make profit under long term. So if i had a few loss i dont panic/stress over a C - bet for etc.

[SolidDala]

Absolutely. But why ramp up the amount on an A bet when if you play every A bet of all time you will actually lose money??

(A bets when buying 3 points % win rate = 61.82% all time, at odds of -170 or worse this makes a loss, when not buying any points A bets hit 51.5 % of the time, which again makes a loss)

so again, ramping up the value of an A bet to more/as much as B and C bets makes no sense to me. Treating A, B, C bets all the same (which in an ongoing labby you do) means that you are not taking advantage of the much better win rates of B bets (66.08% all time) and C bets (80.49%)

Not at all saying I think labby is a bad way to play it, coz I dont think that. It will make money long term which is the aim

You are talking about straight betting, of course you lose betting like that for a system, but people here bets labby or a more risky martingale.

JW Cash explained it well, you don't take the whole loss onto the next A-bet (Line A) , you divide it so the A-Line:s values is is 50% less then the BC-Line:s values (40-60). If you say win next 3 series on B, then the A-bet would be bigger if you didn't recalculate it, so do that to remain the 40-60 correlation.

In my response I said that after a c-loss an A-bet(labby) gains more profit then an A-bet(Martingale), I didn't say it were bigger then the B-C-bets...

Not playing JM but have had experience with it, and Labby is more like investment and Martingale pure gambling

[shermanator]

so we got a day of tomorrow?

[dvb02]

Next Series Bets:

11/28/2010 Indiana - A bet (V1)
11/28/2010 Portland - A bet (V1)

JM Updated Record: 15 Wins, 2 Losses = -22.4 Units

Good Luck!

[krzychu78]

We've got also:
11/28/2010 San Antonio @ New Orleans - V3, A bet

[krzychu78]

V3 so far: 10-0
(A): 6-4
(B): 4-0
(C): 0-0

[cgsalameh]

well done