My Motorsport 2014

[MatI]

Here's a site that gives you live timing with sector times and a driver position track map guys:

http://f1.narezka.org/?lang=eng#

[Optional]

I felt the same way when I saw it


Hey, how many retirements are you thinking for this race? I know the cars aren't perfect yet, but they are obviously way better than anyone expected pre season. I know it doesn't happen a lot, but have had this nagging itch for days to bet None @ 33/1 in the first driver retirement market.

[MatI]

Def worth a look. I would only expect 2-3 retirements, they have gotten reliable very quickly this year. But obviously keep in mind that a lot of updates this weekend, so some teams may hit a problem but that would surprise if due to the updates.

Eyeing off Indy at the moment, going to take the following:
Power +333 - 1u
Simon Pageneaud +750 -0.5u

h2h
James Hinchcliffe +110 vs Juan Pablo Montoya - 1.5u

[Optional]

I put $20 on Power to support you and the flag. He threw it away on me last race I backed him. Frustrating bastard he is.

I have to get some sleep for a drive in morning. GL

[MatI]

thx, gl to us. I feel the same we regarding him, almost feels like wasted money already! but got to fly the flag on this and he is always a chance. I think the Andretti cars will be tough competition though, especially worried about RHR spoiling the party.

Really like this one as well.

Ryan Briscoe -140 vs Mike Conway, parling with
Pegenaud -170 vs Castroneves

[yisman]

#1) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : R. Hunter-Reay 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line -115 for Game
over Pagenaud

#2) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : S. Pagenaud 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line -150 for Game
over Hinchcliffe

#3) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : H. Castroneves 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line +110 for Game
over Hinchcliffe

#4) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : H. Castroneves 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line +125 for Game
over JPM

#5) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : W. Power 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line +100 for Game over Hunter

#6) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : J. Wilson 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line +105 for Game over Andretti




#1) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : T. Sato 5/10/2014 12:30PM - (PST) Money Line -140 for Game over Conway

[MatI]

pretty crazy race that one... nice work on the h2h's yis.

[Optional]

Nice winner Matt!

Yisman dominates another motorsport's head 2 heads. looks like 5-2.

[milehigh]

Morning Opti . H2H's are up at 5d for the F1 Race...will give you something to do while watching Sprint Cup

[yisman]

thanks

yeah good day with the HTHs for Indy

Hinchcliffe crashed or something.

[Optional]

I don't think I can tell you much you probably don't already know this week Milehigh.




Race Matchups - Spanish Grand Prix - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya - Barcelona, Spain - NBCSN

Sun 5/11 7701 Lewis Hamilton -355
8:00AM 7702 Nico Rosberg +265

I think Lewis is much better in this car right now. 10+ seconds per race better. But no one is good enough to justify -355 in a head 2 head against Rosberg in the same car with both starting front row of the grid.


Sun 5/11 7703 Daniel Ricciardo -270
8:00AM 7704 Fernando Alonso +210

Unless he pulls off a miracle start Alonso isn't even going to see Ricciardo's tail pipe let alone pass him.


Sun 5/11 7705 Fernando Alonso -205
8:00AM 7706 Kimi Raikkonen +165

Kimi starting ahead of Alonso seems to be being ignored in the odds here. I guess Alonso has had the wood on Kimi all year so far... but that won't help him if Kimi stays ahead off the start on this track. Have to take the dog for the value.


Sun 5/11 7707 Valtteri Bottas -135
8:00AM 7708 Kimi Raikkonen +105

It's really tough to get a bead on exactly where Williams are. I 'think' they are at least close to Ferrari if not ahead. Was tough to tell as the team seemed to be on a different practice agenda to most other teams.

Just don't know.


Sun 5/11 7709 Jenson Button -115
8:00AM 7710 Felipe Massa -115

Massa, but without conviction.


Sun 5/11 7711 Felipe Massa -150
8:00AM 7712 Nico Hulkenberg +120

Massa all day. Force Indias are fade material this race.


Sun 5/11 7713 Nico Hulkenberg -160
8:00AM 7714 Sergio Perez +130

Hulk


Sun 5/11 7715 Sergio Perez -205
8:00AM 7716 Kevin Magnussen +165

I like this one. Although he has to make up a few positions I think Magnussen will do it over an ill handling Force India. McLaren looked like they would be decent for race pace during P3 running.


Sun 5/11 7717 Kevin Magnussen -115
8:00AM 7718 Daniil Kvyat -115

Magnussen again.


Sun 5/11 7719 Esteban Gutierrez -155
8:00AM 7720 Adrian Sutil +125

Guitierrez. Mostly for the 15kg advantage he has that I mentioned earlier. Should be a fairly sure result I think.


Sun 5/11 7721 Jules Bianchi -170
8:00AM 7722 Max Chilton +140

You'd think this would be closer after Chilton out qualified him. Still have to expect Bianchi to have him covered over race distance.


Sun 5/11 7723 Kamui Kobayashi -240
8:00AM 7724 Marcus Ericsson +180

Same as above... but with the ridiculously bad handling Catheram it's worth taking the dog here. Kobayashi must have been off the circuit near 10 times during practice.


Sun 5/11 7725 Kimi Raikkonen -170
8:00AM 7726 Romain Grosjean +140

Go Romain. Price reflects the disorganized state Lotus has been in all year. Worth a shot that RG can keep it on track and the car lasts the distance. I think both will happen.


Sun 5/11 7727 Romain Grosjean +125
8:00AM 7728 Valtteri Bottas -155

Too tough to call.


Sun 5/11 7729 Fernando Alonso -260
8:00AM 7730 Jenson Button +200

Alonso.

[milehigh]

Well I pulled some shenanigans on these

First parlay, Round Robin (Groups of 4)

Riccardo Over Alonso -270
Massa Over Hulk -150
Magnussen Over Perez +165
Gutierrez Over Sutil -155
Bianchi Over Chilton -170
Grosjean Over Raikkonen +140

Risking about $80 to win $950 if I hit them perfect. 4 out of 6 gets me at least 3/4 of my money back. 5 out of 6 pays well

Second Parlay (straight up parlay)

Hulkenberg Over Perez -160
Magnussen Over Kvyat -115
Bianchi Over Chilton -170
Alonso Over Button -270

$20 to win $113

Its a weird way to play them, but its worked so far this year

[Optional]

I'm a parlay guy myself. I like your multi way bets. 100 bucks to return over 1000 with a decent chance to push built in. My sorta bet

[yisman]

"the night is young and so am I"

time to get to work on F1

[yisman]

#1) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : K. Raikkonen 5/11/2014 5:00AM - (PST) Money Line -170 for Game over Grosjean




#2) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : F. Alonso 5/11/2014 5:00AM - (PST) Money Line -250 for Game over Button







#1) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : V. Bottas 5/11/2014 5:00AM - (PST) Money Line -155 for Game over Grosjean

[7722] MAX CHILTON (JULES BIANCHI vrs MAX CHILTON)

+155

[7717] KEVIN MAGNUSSEN (KEVIN MAGNUSSEN vrs DANIIL KVYAT)

-110

#1) Sport : Motor Racing Other Sports
Selection : K. Magnussen 5/11/2014 5:00AM - (PST) Money Line +165 for Game over Perez

[yisman]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/27358250

Well, seeing as how Mercedes is in the -1500 to -2000 range every race, I think it goes without saying.

[Optional]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/27358250

Well, seeing as how Mercedes is in the -1500 to -2000 range every race, I think it goes without saying.

I doubt they win every race. Next up in Monaco is way more about handling than speed so could see the field closer.

[MatI]

Gl on yr bets guys. Hope Grosjean pulls through for you opti. Down to 3-1 now!

[Optional]

Must have drifted. Was 2/1 for a top 6 at 5D last i saw.

Either way... he's looking good.

Vettel must have kicked a black cat.

[Optional]

Kimmi stays in front of Alonso despite ferrari trying to switch them

[Optional]

Grosjean in trouble on these harder tyres compared to the Ferraris behind :eek:

[Optional]

Ugh.... Kimi gets his 5th spot.

And here comes Alonso to ruin my day.

Something gone wrong with the Lotus.

[Optional]

penetrate... now he is 2 secs slower than the guys coming from behind suddenly.

What a disappointment.

[Optional]

Hmmm... now he seems back to a half decent pace. Weird.

[milehigh]

I had a longshot parlay I closed out (+750 (win) and +500) on Harvick last night...$15 to win $750...and missed it by .02 seconds.


I really need Grosjean to find a way to get back in the mix here!!!!!!

[milehigh]

Maybe Rosberg and Hamilton will tangle and take each other out :-)

[Optional]

Oh well, close but no cigar.

Bad luck on the H2Hs milehigh. We should have tailed yismans by the looks.

Close one Matt. Even with the different tyre strategy I'm surpised Rosberg got so close.

Do you think he should have got it done? 2nd time on better rubber he has ranged up behind Lewis at the end, and stayed there.

[Jmac926]

The question is if roles were reversed, do u think hamilton would have made the pass? Close on Grosjean man, nice play anyways. Impressive drive from Vettel today, and got to mention Danica last night, wow! Honestly would like to see her have some more good runs, but im not gonna hold my breathe.

[Optional]

Yeah Vettel had an amazing result from 15th. Should turn his confidence around (dammit)

I think Lewis would have been in I must pass him at any cost mode if he was behind in that situation. Rosberg didnt look like that to me. Although I bet the car owners love Rosberg to drive exactly as he did. Still a fine performance and no risks. Very German

[yisman]

I doubt they win every race. Next up in Monaco is way more about handling than speed so could see the field closer.

oh. I was just basing it off the weeks I've checked. Every week I've seen Mercedes is a monster favorite to win. I'll have to look at Monaco odds when they come out.

[Optional]

They'll still be a big favorite in Monaco, probably bigger than they should be on that track though. I just doubt they can win all 19 events.

[yisman]

aside from the sprint cup race, the weekend actually went well. Too bad most of the money was wagered on NASCAR.


Chilton just short of Bianchi but 4-2 as almost everything went according to odds. The losses were the two underdogs.

[dapperandy]

Optional, love your F1 advice, thanks so much for providing the insight. Should have bet bigger on the number of finishers over 17.5 sine I seen you didn't expect too many retirements. And MatL, I tailed Paganeud in the Indycar race, thank you so much for your insight as well. Just wanted to let you guys know it is much appreciated.

[Optional]

@dapperandy probably not a week to bet the number of finishers. 4 or 5 not finishing out of the 22 would be about my guess at this stage. Just based on cars hitting the wall or each other really. Add engine reliability to that. So probably under if anything but a no bet I think.



Huge Sunday coming up with 3 iconic events from the historical homes of each of the series. Kicking off with the F1 in Monaco at 8.00am ET, The Indy 500 at Noon and World 600 at 6pm.

For those that don't know one of F1s greatest ever, Jack Brabham, died during the week. A hero to every Aussie motorsport fan as well as most every Australian and many others. He played a long and great innings. His name will live on through his grandson who looks set to make it to Indycar within the next year or two.



Here's my early thoughts about the GP.

First up, you can take Yes Safety Car with confidence. It will be in the $1.20 to $1.30 range (-330 to -500) as usual here, but this year with the cars having so much less rear downforce and drivers needing to skim the barriers for any chance at a fast lap I am fairly certain several cars will end up over cooking it, which almost always needs a safety car here. So the 'usual' odds should be decent value this time.

This circuit does not require a high top speed which will negate some of the Mercedes advantage, plus last year they had to play a blocking and go slow game to win here as their tyre wear was higher than others meaning they were trying to avoid a 2nd pit stop. So although they will be again favourites this is probably the first race since Melbourne it's been at all worth taking a shot at anyone else to either take pole or win the race. Although it will really depend on odds if it's worth it still.

Rosberg won last year. Hamilton has won. All the top guys have won races here so although it's a track where a driver can make a real difference for a change, none of the main contenders have an obvious advantage over another. Ricciardo and Maldonado have multiple wins in lower series here. Perez looked like he had something special around here in a Sauber a couple of years back before crashing hard in qualifying and missing the race. He will be worth keeping an eye on in Thursday practice to see how both he and the car look this time. Could present some value in matchups and top 10 market as the public tends to fade him it seems.

Ferrari are traditionally pretty awful here. Schumacher won a couple in the early 2000s but it was back in the 80s with Giles Villeneuve they last managed a win before Schumi. I suspect their weak point this year, lack of rear traction, will mean that stays the same.

I suspect the Williams will have a similar issue to the Ferrari in terms of rear downforce and traction but will wait and see how they look in practice before making the call to fade them.

For the last 2 or 3 years, maybe even longer, it's been Force India who has finished best of the rest here. I'm wary about relying too much on all this historical stuff when we are dealing with a new generation of cars but if Perez and Hulkenburg are anything better than even money for a top 10 in both quali and the race I think I'll be taking both. The team and drivers have shown when the car suits the circuit they can compete well.

Torro Rosso is another team that might finish higher up the order here too. Worth watching for on Thursday. Will probably look to take the reverse of last couple of races with Vergne over Kyat in head to heads too. Frenchman's defacto home race which he has won a couple of times in lower series and outdone his team mate (Ricciardo) the last 2 years.

Speaking of Ricciardo, probably a good time to fade him against Vettel. Vettel could even be the dog. Dan has crashed multiple times the last 2 years, so worth it just on the experience difference factor I think. (although keep in mind that Dan did win here twice in Formula Renault before going big on that tip)

Button could also be a factor if he can qualify well. Although this isn't a heavy tyre wear track, being easy on them like Button is known for means he only has to stop once to complete the race. Lots of people will stop twice as it's usually a faster strategy if not for the traffic and difficulty passing, but the big teams will all want to stop just the once if they can, mostly because the chances of a safety car are so high and the two stop strategy is far more likely to be stuffed up by one. I'd say both Button and Magnussen are a chance to give McLaren a surprise top 8 this week.

Kobayashi is another one who like Perez put in an eye catching performance here a couple of years back. Drivers like that who can manage to get unexpected speed out of cars around here and always worth keeping an eye on every Monaco for betting opportunities.

Lotus... I don't know. I expect them to continue their improvement from the last race, which should 'really' make them top 6 competitors again but right now I am leaning toward fading them this week. Traditionally the Lotus has shown nothing at Monaco. Although it had speed at Barcelona the car still looked very skittish to me, especially in the rear end. Whilst they might be able to drive around that at an "easy" track I suspect the tendency will make it very very tough to be fast and stay out of the walls at Monaco for Grosjean and Maldonado.


Probably forgotten something but am sick of typing. So that will do it until after Thursday quali I think.

[Optional]

Had a small bet on Kimi Raikkonen +4000 for Fastest Lap

It's a bit of a lucky dip but Kimi is like Vettel in that he likes to take the fastest race lap if possible and I think Ferrari will need to 2 stop so he should be on a new set of the faster super soft tyres toward the end of the race.

Any of the top 5 or 6 teams should have potential to do the fastest race lap around this place, doesn't need the fastest car, just to be on the right tyres and have a strategical reason to turn the engine up and go fast at the right time.

Anyway, @ 40/1 it's a value bet for me. Team mate Alonso is 18/1 for fast lap and there is almost zero reason to think one of them has that much better chance at it than the other.