Blues going to be a 40 unit bet on wednesday
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11/15/10 Results
Burial in progress...
V1 New Jersey Devils (A) ML +164 (1 to win 1.64) *LOSS*
V1 New Jersey Devils (A) PL -180 (1.8 to win 1) *LOSS*
V2 St. Louis Blues (B) ML +106 (1.95 to win 2.07) *LOSS*
V2 St. Louis Blues (B) PL -290 (12.32 to win 4.25) *LOSS*
Record:
ML: 41(A)-20(B)-14(C) (+1.74)
PL: 41(A)-12(B)-6(C) (-60.48)Comment -
11/16/10 Plays
V2 Anaheim Ducks (B) ML +135 (1.48 to win 2)
V1 Nashville Predators (A) ML -106 (1.06 to win 1)
V1 Nashville Predators (A) PL -320 (3.2 to win 1)Comment -
nashville sucks ass! gave up 4 goals in the 2nd period after having a 3-1 lead. let's see if they can come back now.Comment -
Lots of money going down tonight. EC's daily pick page is going to be huge....
Regards to allComment -
Tonight is going to be sick. I think it will be best to stay away from the TV and internetComment -
11/16/10 Results
V2 Anaheim Ducks (B) ML +135 (1.48 to win 2) *LOSS*
V1 Nashville Predators (A) ML -106 (1.06 to win 1) *LOSS*
V1 Nashville Predators (A) PL -320 (3.2 to win 1) *WIN*
Record:
ML: 42(A)-21(B)-14(C) (-0.80)
PL: 42(A)-12(B)-6(C) (-59.48)Comment -
11/17/10 Plays
Big Night. All V2 plays.
V2 Anaheim Ducks (C) ML +160 (2.17 to win 3.48)
V2 Columbus Blue Jackets (A) ML +160 (1 to win 1.60)
V2 Columbus Blue Jackets (A) PL -185 (1.85 to win 1)
V2 Chicago Blackhawks (A) ML -140 (1.4 to win 1)
V2 Chicago Blackhawks (A) PL (fav, play ML) (1.4 to win 1)
V2 Florida Panthers (B) ML +110 (1.82 to win 2)
V2 Florida Panthers (B) PL -260 (6.89 to win 2.65)
V2 Phoenix Coyotes (A) ML +140 (1 to win 1.4)
V2 Phoenix Coyotes (A) PL -210 (2.1 to win 1)
V2 St. Louis Blues (C) ML +175 (2.3 to win 4.02)
V2 St. Louis Blues (C) PL -160 (26.51 to win 16.57)
V2 Tampa Bay Lightning (A) ML -110 (1.1 to win 1)
V2 Tampa Bay Lightning (A) PL (fav, play ML) (1.1 to win 1)
Good luck!Comment -
el are these your own plays or are they someone else's?Comment -
Yet another JM V2 series loss (St Louis). Thats now four V2 series losses this season already. V2 is bad this seasonComment -
Didn't think St. Louis was that bad, but damn 3 - 7!Comment -
Florida was my big play.... + 1.5
No worries with the labbyComment -
Decent night going 4 - 2 if you're just playing ML
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Nice night for the system....Comment -
11/17/10 Results
Well, it would have been a great night if not for the kick in the balls that is the St. Louis Blues.
V2 Anaheim Ducks (C) ML +160 (2.17 to win 3.48) *LOSS*
V2 Columbus Blue Jackets (A) ML +160 (1 to win 1.60) *WIN*
V2 Columbus Blue Jackets (A) PL -185 (1.85 to win 1) *WIN*
V2 Chicago Blackhawks (A) ML -140 (1.4 to win 1) *WIN*
V2 Chicago Blackhawks (A) PL (fav, play ML) (1.4 to win 1) *WIN*
V2 Florida Panthers (B) ML +110 (1.82 to win 2) *WIN*
V2 Florida Panthers (B) PL -260 (6.89 to win 2.65) *WIN*
V2 Phoenix Coyotes (A) ML +140 (1 to win 1.4) *WIN*
V2 Phoenix Coyotes (A) PL -210 (2.1 to win 1) *WIN*
V2 St. Louis Blues (C) ML +175 (2.3 to win 4.02) *LOSS*
V2 St. Louis Blues (C) PL -160 (26.51 to win 16.57) *LOSS*
V2 Tampa Bay Lightning (A) ML -110 (1.1 to win 1) *WIN*
V2 Tampa Bay Lightning (A) PL (fav, play ML) (1.1 to win 1) *WIN*
Record:
ML: 46(A)-22(B)-16(C) (+1.73)
PL: 46(A)-13(B)-7(C) (-79.34)Comment -
11/18/10 Plays
V1 Nashville Predators (B) ML +135 (1.48 to win 2)
V1 New Jersey Devils (B) ML +110 (1.82 to win 2)
V1 New Jersey Devils (B) PL -270 (7.56 to win 2.8)Comment -
Guys, I have a point to make about ElCapitan's results for the ML bets versus the PL bets. The 2 staking plans are not the same. Furthermore, if you check the ML bets, you will see that when a B bet or C bet wins, the series will still lose money. Lets look at EC's C bet for St Louis last night: V2 St. Louis Blues (C) ML +175 (2.3 to win 4.02). We know it lost, but if it had won the profit from that bet would be 1.72, which would not cover the 1.07 (A bet) and 1.95 (B bet). In fact, the St Louis series woud have lost 1.3 units if the C bet had won. From this, it is clear that the ML system relies heavily on the A bets winning the profit and the B and C bets recovering some of the A bet losses. Consequently, the ML system cannot be hugely profitable, but neither will it incur a huge loss.
The PL system, on the other hand, guarantees that a winning B bet or a C bet will produce a profit for the series. Consequently, it can be significantly profitable, but it does incur huge losses. 4 C bet losses this year already. JM should never have introduced the V2 system. He did so due to greed. If EC was, today, comparing JM's V1 teams (on PL) against the same teams on the ML, I am sure that the PL will be +19 units after 19 series (100%)and the ML would be less (at least 5 x V1 ML series did not win on the A bet, and the winning B and C bets would have recovered some of the A bet losses, so a probable profit in the order of 15 units)
I don't doubt that EC's ML system is +1.73 units after 46 series and the PL system is -79.34, but the simple fact is that by comparing his ML bets with the JM bets, he is comparing chalk and cheese.
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Not sure what you're talking about in regards to the ML system, Kev. I play it exactly the same as the PL system - to win 1 unit of profit per series. If the A bet wins, you will probably do a little better than 1 unit because in generally you're getting +odds. Let's look at the St. Louis series you were referring to:
V2 St. Louis Blues (A) ML -107 (1.07 to win 1) *LOSS* (after this bet we were -1.07)
V2 St. Louis Blues (B) ML +106 (1.95 to win 2.07) *LOSS* (so here we tried to win 2.07 to put us +1 unit but we lost again, so now we're -3.02 units (1.95 + 1.07))
V2 St. Louis Blues (C) ML +175 (2.3 to win 4.02) *LOSS* (on our final bet we're trying to win 4.02 to make up the -3.02 and again put us +1 unit)
I thought it was pretty straightforward. If any of the bets win you'll be +1 unit.
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Hey El Capitan, I would like to know if there was any loses of (C) bets so far on Version 2 on Puck line?Comment -
Guys, I have been following for a few years and never mess with the V2 system. Always multiple C losses. It was one of Nguyen's (Jim Morrison) little adjustments to cover some losses and suck some money out of more people. I only bet the V1. Again the original V1 three game away chase has been around for years. Nguyen just stuck this Jim Morrison name on it as well as a "stock" photo on the website and ran with it. Quite successfully I might add. Because of him everyone is familiar with it as the JM or Morrison system. There really is no Jim Morrison but the name sure has stuck like a "bandaid". Thanks Cap for tracking and saving everyone who follows this system the work!Comment -
11/18/10 Results
V1 Nashville Predators (B) ML +135 (1.48 to win 2) *WIN*
V1 New Jersey Devils (B) ML +110 (1.82 to win 2) *LOSS*
V1 New Jersey Devils (B) PL -270 (7.56 to win 2.8) *LOSS*
Record:
ML: 46(A)-24(B)-16(C) (+1.97)
PL: 46(A)-14(B)-7(C) (-86.90)Comment -
11/19/10 Plays
V1 Los Angeles Kings (A) ML +120 (1 to win 1.2)
V1 Los Angeles Kings (A) PL -250 (2.5 to win 1)Comment -
ElCapitan,
Yep, sorry, I got it wrong. I find the American odds confusing. I overlooked the fact that when a +106 bet wins, the bettor receives the 106 units as profit (ie receives 206 units back from the bookie). With a decimal bet of 1.06, the profit is only .06 units.
So, apologies, guys, if I caused any confusion.
Regards to all..Comment -
my JM hockey bankroll is going to be depleted if NJ loses the Cbet. Not sure if I want to move some of my basketball bankroll for it
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Thanks El Capitan, this is a great thread. GL tonight all!Comment -
cmdyrds:NJ is V1. The A and B bets were against same conference opponents (Boston and Toronto). Tonight's game is against opposite conference (St Louis)can someone confirm if nj is a v1 or v2 play. im traveling and dont have my info in front of me. tx.
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11/19/10 Results
V1 Los Angeles Kings (A) ML +120 (1 to win 1.2) *LOSS*
V1 Los Angeles Kings (A) PL -250 (2.5 to win 1) *LOSS*
Record:
ML: 47(A)-24(B)-16(C) (+0.97)
PL: 47(A)-14(B)-7(C) (-89.40)Comment -
11/20/10 Plays
V2 Colorado Avalanche (A) ML +146 (1 to win 1.46)
V2 Colorado Avalanche (A) PL -215 (2.15 to win 1)
V1 Los Angeles Kings (B) ML +120 (1.52 to win 2)
V1 Los Angeles Kings (B) PL -250 (7.7 to win 3.5)
V1 New Jersey Devils (C) ML +110 (2.65 to win 3.82)
V1 New Jersey Devils (C) PL -270 (20.72 to win 10.36)Comment -
V2 is in my trash can. 4 losses.
I'm not suggesting that there will be more V2 losses and I'm not saying that V1 is perfect. However, V1 has been back-tested and proven to be a solid system, with only 1 or 2 losses in every 80 series. I know there is no logic to V1's success, but stats are stats. V2 has no real back-test, except last year when it went 100%, unbelievably.
GL guysComment -
I think Ill settle for the PL win. phewComment -
EL CAP: was wondering if it would be possible every few wks. or so, to post an update as far as the TOTAL UNITS W/L for the v1 & v2 separately, like ya did on your spr. sheet last yr.? It would just give us an indication once in a while of what each version is doin individually, instead of combined. V2 (W/ 4 C losses) doesn't seem to be doin v1 justice at all.
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