UFC on Fox 4: Shogun vs. Vera

[BIGDAY]

Did you guys hit Delray?

In SanJose, yes. That was entertaining.

[Crassus]

yea man. big time.

Ah well...guess it's on to the Machida/Shogun parlay for the night.

[gabe]

oh, and u keep tweeting Papazian telling him to use his judo! Im sure he'll listen to you brah

considering he knows who i am, he might listen to me...

did you just compare giving fight advice to a fighter to asking the president of a major organization which hotel he is staying at while in town?

lol you're a character, man. i love you.

[TheCalculator]

In SanJose, yes. That was entertaining.

Was JJ dominating the scene? Hahahhaha

[gabe]

Exactly, you threw out a dumb line...it was dumb and it was only adding to the dumbness that you'd already shown with regards to basic math...betting on somebody at -350 when you capped him at -120! So if you were fuckin with me by further mocking yourself for being retarded, then yes bravo on ******* with me!

i ****** with you with a sarcastic line, you thought i was serious and took the bait. end of story. you're really bothered by it, eh? dang lol

[Vaughany]

considering he knows who i am, he might listen to me...

did you just compare giving fight advice to a fighter to asking the president of a major organization which hotel he is staying at while in town?

lol you're a character, man. i love you.

"Considering he knows who I am!" hahahahahah Yes, Im sure a high-level mixed martial artist is going to want and listen to advice to a comedian who spends majority of his time smoking weed whilst sat on the shitter! Are seriously believing what your writing?

Was Papazian asking for advice from you? As Ive explained to countless times before, Dana White was tweeting tickets as he does for every event...he said something along lines of "Will be tweeting tickets from outside the hotel within next couple of hours" ....failing to actually name which hotel it was. Hence the question "which hotel?"

[Vaughany]

i ****** with you with a sarcastic line, you thought i was serious and took the bait. end of story. you're really bothered by it, eh? dang lol

yeah so it was sarcastic, so by it being sarcastic you were admitting that you are a retard for betting on somebody at -350 when u capped him at -120! The joke is on you Gabriel

[Vaughany]

Regardless of all this, can you tweet Shogun and ask him to utilize more judo throws against Vera...gonna have a lot riding on him and getting worried.

[Beelzebubzy]

Damn V is on fire today

[Mercersux]

Well looks like Rothwell was scratched from his fight with Browne on fox 4. No heavyweights can stay healthy apparently. Says Browne is now facing Devin Cole.(A former rapist)...

" On June 14, 2008, Cole was arrested by the Medford, Oregon police department and charged with first-degree rape, two counts of first-degree sodomy and two counts of first-degree sexual penetration. The charged were later reduced to assault in the fourth degree and sexual harassment, to which Cole plead guilty. He was sentenced to 60 days in jail"

Hope that dude gets smashed. Not sure why they didn't just match up Browne and Mitrione

[The Fobfather]

Looks like Travis Browne is now off the card, fight with Cole was not signed.

Update 2 by Tim Burke: Ariel Helwani has that the Browne/Cole fight wasn't signed, and that Browne is likely off the card.

[Mercersux]

Looks like Travis Browne is now off the card, fight with Cole was not signed.

Update 2 by Tim Burke: Ariel Helwani has that the Browne/Cole fight wasn't signed, and that Browne is likely off the card.

Ridiculous that both heavyweight fights are off now. Browne/ Mitrione was a damn good quality parlay.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Had Shogun, Okami and Browne closing out some parlays... now it's all on Shogun...

[Mercersux]

Had Shogun, Okami and Browne closing out some parlays... now it's all on Shogun...

Could still throw in some parlays on Okami against Buddy Roberts.

[The Fobfather]

Even though I'm a fan of Shogun, a part of me wants to see Vera pull off the upset, to see what lies Rogan tells in the promos to market Vera fighting for a title.

[Vitooch]

Even though I'm a fan of Shogun, a part of me wants to see Vera pull off the upset, to see what lies Rogan tells in the promos to market Vera fighting for a title.

"Word-Class muay thai"

[Jesus Christ]

Even though I'm a fan of Shogun, a part of me wants to see Vera pull off the upset, to see what lies Rogan tells in the promos to market Vera fighting for a title.

Underrated wrestling

[getlucky2win]

i dont see how vera wins other than a gift decision by terrible judges. or dq. dont c how he can finish shogun. if rua looks good at weigh ins i will b placing a large wager on him.... unless u guys can present an argument to change my mind

[Mercersux]

i dont see how vera wins other than a gift decision by terrible judges. or dq. dont c how he can finish shogun. if rua looks good at weigh ins i will b placing a large wager on him.... unless u guys can present an argument to change my mind

Nope...nothing comes to mind. Put it this way, Vera barely squeeked out a decision against Eliot Marshall.

[Vaughany]

"Word-Class muay thai"

"Top of the food chain leg-kicks"

[gabe]

"Top of the food chain leg-kicks"

Lmaooo

[dww123]

i dont see how vera wins other than a gift decision by terrible judges. or dq. dont c how he can finish shogun. if rua looks good at weigh ins i will b placing a large wager on him.... unless u guys can present an argument to change my mind

I think there are all kinds of issues with Shogun. He hasn't looked really good in a fight since Machida and that was over 2 years ago. Since then he got destoyed by Jon Jones, he beat Forrest Griffin, who, in my opinion, had no intention of fighting and he lost to Dan Henderson. The Dan Henderson fight was my all time favorite fight but Shogun looked very slow, his footwork terrible, head movement was nonexistent and basically allowed Dan to punch himself out on his face. He has taken 2 very bad beatings recently. He's tough as nails but those types of fights rapidly age a fighter (in this case a fighter who had already shown signs of premature fight ageing.) He's 30 years old and should be entering his prime years for a 205er but he's years past it. He also has a propensity to come in to a fight out of shape. If you want to see just how capable Shogun is of laying an egg, I would recommend watching his second fight with Mark Coleman. Now we are talking about Brandon Vera of course so it's definitley Shogun's fight to lose, but he may do just that.

[AdamB]

I think there are all kinds of issues with Shogun. He hasn't looked really good in a fight since Machida and that was over 2 years ago. Since then he got destoyed by Jon Jones, he beat Forrest Griffin, who, in my opinion, had no intention of fighting and he lost to Dan Henderson. The Dan Henderson fight was my all time favorite fight but Shogun looked very slow, his footwork terrible, head movement was nonexistent and basically allowed Dan to punch himself out on his face. He has taken 2 very bad beatings recently. He's tough as nails but those types of fights rapidly age a fighter (in this case a fighter who had already shown signs of premature fight ageing.) He's 30 years old and should be entering his prime years for a 205er but he's years past it. He also has a propensity to come in to a fight out of shape. If you want to see just how capable Shogun is of laying an egg, I would recommend watching his second fight with Mark Coleman. Now we are talking about Brandon Vera of course so it's definitley Shogun's fight to lose, but he may do just that.

I totally agree - I love Shogun as a fighter but I doubt I'll ever bet on him again. At this point he's effectively just a brawler with an incredible chin, poor gas tank and wrestling. The speed, footwork and head movement he showed in the Chuck Liddell fight would have helped him immensely against Hendo - instead he literally just walked straight forward into Hendo's punches until Hendo tired himself out. It's a real shame.

[getlucky2win]

if vera hits rua with some kness and body blows that would slow shogun down but i dont think vera can finish. he could def win a dec. with theses judges. vera is no where near the level of fighter of hendo, jones, machida, liddell, coleman, overeem, even griffin. i dont think rua has a poor gas tank and wrestling. he went 5 rounds after taking a beating early and did well with his wrestling vs hendo. iirc he got a few takedowns and full mount and looked to have more gas than hendo. i dont beleive vera has better cardio. i dont think he has ever been past 3 rounds and this is 5 rounds right?

[Crassus]

man Shogun was in good shape for that fight.

[Crassus]

anyone think Shogun might submit Vera with a leg-lock?

[PunisherIND]

couple of new lines.

[Beelzebubzy]

Play lauzon if enter round 2 play varner

[The Fobfather]

Didn't Varner open on Paddypower as a fairly big dog? +180ish? I was interested in playing Varner, but I'll jump on J-Lau at dog odds if it happens.

[gabe]

Any Wagner Prado vids? Haven't searched youtube yet. Thoughts on this guy???

[Crassus]

Any Wagner Prado vids? Haven't searched youtube yet. Thoughts on this guy???

Less than no chance.

[Beelzebubzy]

16% chance?

[Crassus]

16% chance?

10% is generous.

[gabe]

Were all his opponents cans? His highlight vid looked good enough

[Crassus]

he's been fighting top level opposition

Check out the punch at 7:20, you'll know which one.

He's a solid prospect, he's got very little chance against Phil Davis.