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  • Rubber Guard
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    #71
    Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
    Rampage has not koed someone since Wandy including less than average chins Forrest jardine and Evans
    Even if he doesn't get the KO, I see his stand up advantage being greater than Bader's wrestling advantage. He would still win a decision.

    If Tito can find that chin, then this is a good spot for Rampage to stop the KOless streak.
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    • Wanna Bet On It?
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      • 11-17-11
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      #72
      Originally posted by Vaughany
      True, but then IMO he hasn't exactly been facing guys that are easy to hit or have glass chins. He had a broken hand against Hamill - combine tht with Hamill's reasonably solid chin and the chances of him finishing Hamill were always quite small...he just coasted through tht one. Machida is one of the hardest guys to hit in MMA and wasn't a good fight for Rampage stylistically. He dropped Evans but Suga was able to recover due to his experience and great composure - I doubt tht Bader would recover in a similar situation - he doesn't seem to be the type of fighter who deals very well with great adversity - actually panics a lot. And Jon Jones is Jon Jones. Only one which is questionable for me is Jardine - but then Jardine did have an awkward style and good use of leg kicks which is something that Rampage was and is particularly susceptible to (as we saw against Griffin) due to his flat-footedness and desire to plant his feet to generate power.
      Yup. He also rocked Jardine (Rd2 IIRC) and Jardine's instincts to clinch saved him. Bader seems to panic at the first sign of despair. This may do him in the first time Rampage lands a clean punch.
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      • bjpenn85
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        • 02-17-11
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        #73
        if it wasnt for the brilz KO Rampage could have deported bader back to the regional circuit, where he belongs, almost.
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        • Educ8d Degener8
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          #74
          As long as Rampage doesn't have a hangover from the Bones fight, he should take this... for all of the reasons pointed out in this thread.

          It's a potential hangover that I'd worry about, but would hope being back in Japan would light a fire under his azzzz.

          Where's Page training for this sh*t? He came into the Bones fight rather fit and focused...
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          • Vaughany
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            #75
            Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8
            As long as Rampage doesn't have a hangover from the Bones fight, he should take this... for all of the reasons pointed out in this thread.

            It's a potential hangover that I'd worry about, but would hope being back in Japan would light a fire under his azzzz.

            Where's Page training for this sh*t? He came into the Bones fight rather fit and focused...
            At his own gym... Rampage Fitness Academy. Sure he's working with his buddy Kongo...it's benificial that they both have fights on same card I guess. According to Dave Jackson (striking coach) they are in great shape and having a great camp together
            Last edited by Vaughany; 02-07-12, 05:32 PM.
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            • Educ8d Degener8
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              #76
              Originally posted by Vaughany
              At his own gym... Rampage Fitness Academy. Sure he's working with his buddy Kongo...it's benificial that they both have fights on same card I guess
              Would rather have heard he was still at that futuristic Muscle Pharm facility he was at for the Bones fight...
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              • Vaughany
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                #77
                Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8
                Would rather have heard he was still at that futuristic Muscle Pharm facility he was at for the Bones fight...
                yeah, I guess on the flip-side you can argue that by training at his own new gym in Cali he wont be as focused on the fight and not "out of his comfort zone" which one could argue Rampage needs to be in order to be at top of his game. I think the week leading up to the fight and the weigh-ins will give a good indication
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                • Educ8d Degener8
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                  #78
                  Originally posted by Vaughany
                  yeah, I guess on the flip-side you can argue that by training at his own new gym in Cali he wont be as focused on the fight and not "out of his comfort zone" which one could argue Rampage needs to be in order to be at top of his game. I think the week leading up to the fight and the weigh-ins will give a good indication
                  Agree...

                  Though training with Kongo will allow Page to perfect his groin striking, so Bader via DQ may be a solid play.
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                  • Vaughany
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                    #79
                    lol

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                    • Rubber Guard
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Vaughany
                      yeah, I guess on the flip-side you can argue that by training at his own new gym in Cali he wont be as focused on the fight and not "out of his comfort zone" which one could argue Rampage needs to be in order to be at top of his game. I think the week leading up to the fight and the weigh-ins will give a good indication
                      Where do you see the line ending up though? Page has already went up a bit. I think he could see -300 by fight night. May still be able to catch him decent the week of though.
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                      • Vaughany
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                        #81
                        Yeah -250 to -300 range. I guess some are waiting for Rampage by TKO/KO prop
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                        • Educ8d Degener8
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                          #82
                          Originally posted by Rubber Guard
                          Where do you see the line ending up though? Page has already went up a bit. I think he could see -300 by fight night. May still be able to catch him decent the week of though.
                          Yeah, I was just thinking of that... I've been burned a few times lately by waiting for weigh-ins and having lines move on me. Given Page's public notoriety, I'd expect the public money to come in on him... so may buy-in now, and cost average in with additional bets if the line moves further...
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                          • omalley21
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                            • 11-08-10
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                            #83
                            I can't see rampage losing the decision in japan. They love him.
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                            • Vitooch
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                              • 09-26-11
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                              #84
                              Originally posted by omalley21
                              I can't see rampage losing the decision in japan. They love him.
                              Japan doesnt decide who wins, the American judges do.
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                              • omalley21
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                                • 11-08-10
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                                #85
                                Thats true Vitooch but on the brazil cards, their was clearly some favoritism for the home country guy. Rumble/vitor was getting stood up real quick. The ufc wants the fans to leave the arena happy that their guy won.
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                                • Vaughany
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                                  #86
                                  Extended preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5CG...ature=youtu.be

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                                  • Vitooch
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                                    #87
                                    Originally posted by omalley21
                                    Thats true Vitooch but on the brazil cards, their was clearly some favoritism for the home country guy. Rumble/vitor was getting stood up real quick. The ufc wants the fans to leave the arena happy that their guy won.
                                    Fair enough. But i think the fans would have left mandalay bay much happier knowing diaz, not Condit would be GSP's next opponent.
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                                    • Educ8d Degener8
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                                      #88
                                      In short, Señor Mendez summarizes my sentiments on the Page-Bader fight in his analysis here:
                                      Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.


                                      Will keep a keen eye on weigh-ins, possibly add more, or try for a live in-fight play on this one... expecting more steam on Page as the fight approaches unless he comes in looking all Little Debbie at the weigh-ins.

                                      2.00u Rampage Jackson -245

                                      edit. Annnnnnd ~10 hrs after I book that, the line is now at -210... wtf, line movement be killing me lately... Ballin Blades must've maxed out Bader or somethin.
                                      Last edited by Educ8d Degener8; 02-09-12, 11:21 PM.
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                                      • The HOFF
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                                        #89
                                        With Leonard Garcia forced to withdraw from this month's UFC 144 event, Japanese newcomer Issei Tamura will now face Tiequan Zhang.

                                        UFC officials on Saturday announced the change.
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                                        • gabe
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                                          • 09-12-11
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                                          #90
                                          Originally posted by The HOFF
                                          With Leonard Garcia forced to withdraw from this month's UFC 144 event, Japanese newcomer Issei Tamura will now face Tiequan Zhang. UFC officials on Saturday announced the change.
                                          It was announced a week or two ago that Nam Phan was replacing Garcia... So Tamura should be replacing Phan... what's going on???
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                                          • Vaughany
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                                            #91
                                            Dont think UFC ever announced Nam Phan replacing him did they?
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                                            • gabe
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                                              #92
                                              Originally posted by Vaughany
                                              Dont think UFC ever announced Nam Phan replacing him did they?
                                              It was on all MMA news sites and still is on Nam Phan's wiki page
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                                              • The HOFF
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                                                #93
                                                Originally posted by gabe
                                                It was announced a week or two ago that Nam Phan was replacing Garcia... So Tamura should be replacing Phan... what's going on???
                                                Tamura news was from MMAjunkie. I don't recall seeing any official news of Phan taking the fight and I scour the mma sights religously.
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                                                • Educ8d Degener8
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                                                  #94
                                                  I was 98% sure Phan was taking that fight.
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                                                  • eligibletackle
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                                                    • 12-20-11
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                                                    #95
                                                    tough time seeing Bader win this as outlined above. I do think the Japan aspect will help Rampage, w/ 2 reasons moreso than scorecards, main one being #1

                                                    1. Motivation
                                                    2. Boos for quicker standups, separation during clinches
                                                    3. Judges

                                                    I think Rampage TDD is good enough for Bader. If it looked bad vs Rashad it's b/c he has the speed in his double Bader doesn't and he set them up nicely. Bader brings strength and a wrestling game not as tailored to MMA as it needs to be, which I think Rampage can handle. Bader hasn't beat the quality of opponent in Rampage and dont expect him to start now.
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                                                    • gabe
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                                                      #96
                                                      Originally posted by The HOFF
                                                      Tamura news was from MMAjunkie. I don't recall seeing any official news of Phan taking the fight and I scour the mma sights religously.
                                                      It was reported by both MMAJunkie and BJPenn.com
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                                                      • Vaughany
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                                                        #97
                                                        Originally posted by gabe
                                                        It was on all MMA news sites and still is on Nam Phan's wiki page
                                                        But not UFC? Wikipedia and MMA news sites dont decide on the fights, I guess Nam Phan was given the inidcation by UFC tht it would be him then they never signed anything
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                                                        • Vaughany
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                                                          #98
                                                          Originally posted by eligibletackle
                                                          tough time seeing Bader win this as outlined above. I do think the Japan aspect will help Rampage, w/ 2 reasons moreso than scorecards, main one being #1

                                                          1. Motivation
                                                          2. Boos for quicker standups, separation during clinches
                                                          3. Judges

                                                          I think Rampage TDD is good enough for Bader. If it looked bad vs Rashad it's b/c he has the speed in his double Bader doesn't and he set them up nicely. Bader brings strength and a wrestling game not as tailored to MMA as it needs to be, which I think Rampage can handle. Bader hasn't beat the quality of opponent in Rampage and dont expect him to start now.
                                                          Do they boo in Japan for quicker stand-ups?
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                                                          • Beelzebubzy
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                                                            #99
                                                            Originally posted by gabe
                                                            It was reported by both MMAJunkie and BJPenn.com
                                                            Dont think junkie ever reported it

                                                            ESPN UK did

                                                            bloody wrong
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                                                            • Vaughany
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                                                              #100
                                                              Pretty sure the ones that did report it based it on Nam Phan tweeting "who wants to see Battle of the Asians" or some sh*t.
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                                                              • The HOFF
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                                                                #101
                                                                Pettis opened -180, currently:

                                                                Anthony Pettis -260
                                                                Joe Lauzon +180
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                                                                • Beelzebubzy
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                                                                  #102
                                                                  FOR ALL OF YOU EDGAR BACKERS (aka NOT V)

                                                                  "Training's going great. I'm about to ship out to Japan, next week. Obviously I have Renzo (Gracie) and Ricardo (Almeida) to talk to and bounce ideas off of. We're gonna get there like nine days in advance. I figure that should be enough time. You know, I fought in Abu Dhabi, which is a pretty significant time difference, so, you know, it's gonna be business as usual."

                                                                  BUT
                                                                  "It's tough. You know, a guy like that is really tough to duplicate, as far as training partners go. You get a little mixture of this and that in different guys and you try to prepare the best you can for him. You know, I think it's just his scrambling ability. He scrambles really well and he's a great athlete. He throws good knees and stuff like that. I don't wanna get caught with one of them, for sure."
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                                                                  • Beelzebubzy
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                                                                    #103
                                                                    I like Pettis at -210. Rinse Repeat Stout/Lauzon. Avoid the Round 1 Blitzkrieg and you can beat Jlau

                                                                    <-- Lauzon fan
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                                                                    • Rubber Guard
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                                                                      #104
                                                                      Big Lauzon fan. And I realize on paper, Pettis isn't the best matchup for him. Standing Pettis is more technical. On the ground Pettis "should" be able to stay out of subs. And Pettis "should" have a better gas tank.

                                                                      But throwing odds like that against Lauzon who ALWAYS surprises, is dumb in my opinion.

                                                                      My problem with Joe is he trains in MASS at his own gym. A gym that doesn't seem to have many good sparring partners or predominant coaches. I feel he is just way behind when it comes to training camps. But then again, everyone reacts and needs different kinds of things. Perhaps if he was at a gym far away from home it wouldn't be a good thing.

                                                                      But Pettis is -290 right now. And that is ridiculous. So much value in Lauzon. If Lauzon can come in with some solid cardio he can win this fight all day. The odds are ridiculous.
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                                                                      • bjpenn85
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                                                                        • 02-17-11
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                                                                        #105
                                                                        The odds reflect the style matchup as you correctly pointed out. The odds is not ridiculous, but by far a steal. Lauzon will have to finish pettis within the first round. Thats it. That is hes shot, his only path to victory. Good luck to him.
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