Vaughany's MMA Picks...

[Vaughany]

ha yeah tht was classic..awkward as hell...Rogan must not be a big fan of the gimmick!

[Vitooch]

These are the moments Rogan comes off as douchey

[Vaughany]

yeah tht was douchey...could of humored Eddy for 5 minutes seeing as most of the podcasts are like 2 hours long and 90% random useless shiit!

[Beelzebubzy]

Kampmann vs Ellenberger is a #1 contender matchup

Since Kampmann has blown his chance several times before in #1 contenders matchups (Daley, Shields) I will be taking Ellenberger

[the josh]

kampmanns only bet in that fight is sub. not gonna knock ellenberger out. and ellenberger probably takes the first 3 rounds til he gasses.

[Vaughany]

kampmanns only bet in that fight is sub. not gonna knock ellenberger out. and ellenberger probably takes the first 3 rounds til he gasses.

Dont think I can bring myself to bet against Kampmann again...unless there are some crazy prop value on offer

[the josh]

meh. i won money in the thiago fight even though i went big on thiago. Kampmanns jits is great. always bet kampmann sub.

kampmann sub in the thiago fight was like +600. i hopped all over that shit. knew it was way too high

might only touch ellenberger KO/Kampmann sub in this fight.

im waiting for kampmanns chin to die, then hes gonna start losing a lot of fights, dude gets blasted a lot.

[Vitooch]

Dont count out Kampmann by TKO/KO. If Kampmann survives the early storm he may be able to finish a gassed Ellenberger late.

[Vaughany]

Todd Duffee back in action this weekend against Neil Grove in India. Also Paul Kelly makes his return against Ryan Healy.

[PunisherIND]

Todd Duffee back in action this weekend against Neil Grove in India. Also Paul Kelly makes his return against Ryan Healy.

duffee-grove should be good for a highlight ko. might have to watch this one. can't be worse than bob sappah vs james thompson. lol.

[Vitooch]

O V i watched Mccorkle get TKOed by that fat guy. One of the worst displays of standup I have ever seen.

[Vaughany]

O V i watched Mccorkle get TKOed by that fat guy. One of the worst displays of standup I have ever seen.

haha yeah pretty funny...McCorkle's twitter comments and some of the heat he got off people is entertaining stuff as well. He put after the fight "Turns out I have shitty cardio at whatever weight I fight at!"...or something along those lines. Dude has got a smoking hot GF as well!
Just seen this as well:

"I was going to respond earlier than this, but I first wanted to get the chance to watch my fight from last night in order to verify that I looked as bad as I thought I did. So I just got the chance to watch it, and I didn't look nearly as bad as I thought. I looked worse. Way, way, worse. I don't know what the hell that shit was supposed to be, nor do I have any explanation, excuses, theories or anything else. I can promise all you guys, my fans and haters alike, that the next time you see me embarrass myself in an MMA cage, will be the last time. I embarrassed myself in the Struve fight so badly that I thought I could never top it. Last night was worse times ten. I have absolutely no explanation for my cardio problems. I don't know if it's a physical problem, psychological problem, a diet or a training problem. I do know that I have struggled with cardiovascular endurance my entire athletic career. Even during high school basketball. I can't figure it out. I was coming off back to back training camps when I fought Stefan Struve that had lasted a literal 23 weeks. That's almost 6 months straight 6 days a week of intense cardiovascular training. And I gassed in 90 seconds. All of that said, I will admit 100% like an idiot, despite Tom Erikson's constant pleading to me to never take any fight for granted, I underestimated Brian Heden. I watched 2 of his fights, looked at who he'd fought and beat/lost to and thought 'If I couldn't beat this guy while I was drunk, I need to quit fighting.' And I couldn't beat him sober. I came in about 20 lbs heavier than I should have. I resorted to throwing hay makers 2 minutes in, because I was worried about how it would look if I didn't finish him in the first round. I was completely spent halfway through the first. I'm not going to be like everyone else and make excuses. I have none. All due respect to Brian because he showed up in decent shape, and showed a lot of balls hanging in there when the going got rough in the first round, but he's not on my level, skill wise, athletically, or any other area of MMA except cardio. It doesn't matter how nice or fast your car is, if there's no gas in the tank. The next time I gas in a fight and lose because of it, I will retire. End of story. I will not continue to embarrass myself, my family, my coaches, my training partners, or the promotion that is paying me to fight ever again."

[Rubber Guard]

These are the moments Rogan comes off as douchey

I listen to Rogan quite often. Pretty big fan or him and Eddie Bravo. I don't see how it was that douchey. Hardly any of the listeners understand the skit that he did Laranja. You probably couldn't even hear what he was saying through the phone if you were listening to the podcast. Was just a bad idea from Eddie. It is Rogan's podcast, if he doesn't want to sit there and do a terrible skit on air then I see no reason why he wouldn't just say stop. If you hadn't seen the skit and were listening on radio, you would have little clue what was going on and would probably change the station.

[Vitooch]

I listen to Rogan quite often. Pretty big fan or him and Eddie Bravo. I don't see how it was that douchey. Hardly any of the listeners understand the skit that he did Laranja. You probably couldn't even hear what he was saying through the phone if you were listening to the podcast. Was just a bad idea from Eddie. It is Rogan's podcast, if he doesn't want to sit there and do a terrible skit on air then I see no reason why he wouldn't just say stop. If you hadn't seen the skit and were listening on radio, you would have little clue what was going on and would probably change the station.

There is a better way of approaching it in my opinion. He came across as the annoying whining girl he so often ridicules on his podcast and his standup act. What's wrong with going along with the skit? It has the potential be a humorous ongoing gag. They cant spend 5 minutes talking to this entertaining guy, and then explain to the audience what they just listened to. A few minutes of airtime for Renato will not ruin the podcast altogether.

[Rubber Guard]

So a guy can just call into the show and be in character and want to do a skit that no one would understand and would find confusing and Joe is just supposed to go with it? So basically anyone could call during the show and they should be heard?

If anything Laranja and Eddie are out of line for trying to get heard.

Eddie didn't seem like he was offended. How else is Joe supposed to tell the guy to stop? Its Joe's podcast...lol. He just told him it wasn't the place for it because 90% of his listeners would have no clue what is going on. And Joe didn't look ready to go back and forth with him on some skit.

I don't think you understand the context of the call, or the skit, or watched that podcast. If you have your own show, and a guy who isn't even scheduled tries to do his own thing that no one would get then yes he should tell him no it isn't the time.

Eddie was just high as balls and thought it would be funny. He didn't realize that no one would get it and no one was ready for that call.

[fosho14]

Would someone please explain the joke. All I remember is that douchebag being super irritating in this awkward video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehstgxCZRY

Can totally understand why Joe would want to steer clear of communication with that dude. Not sure how that makes him a whiny girl?

[Vitooch]

Would someone please explain the joke. All I remember is that douchebag being super irritating in this awkward video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehstgxCZRY

Can totally understand why Joe would want to steer clear of communication with that dude. Not sure how that makes him a whiny girl?

This is a set-up skit. Laranjo isn't really this super clingy weirdo. He's playing a character, and a fan of Eddie Bravo. There is a similar video where Laranjo does the same with Rousey instead of Hogan.

[Vitooch]

So a guy can just call into the show and be in character and want to do a skit that no one would understand and would find confusing and Joe is just supposed to go with it? So basically anyone could call during the show and they should be heard?

If anything Laranja and Eddie are out of line for trying to get heard.

Eddie didn't seem like he was offended. How else is Joe supposed to tell the guy to stop? Its Joe's podcast...lol. He just told him it wasn't the place for it because 90% of his listeners would have no clue what is going on. And Joe didn't look ready to go back and forth with him on some skit.

I don't think you understand the context of the call, or the skit, or watched that podcast. If you have your own show, and a guy who isn't even scheduled tries to do his own thing that no one would get then yes he should tell him no it isn't the time.

Eddie was just high as balls and thought it would be funny. He didn't realize that no one would get it and no one was ready for that call.

Not expecting Rogan do be completely on board with Laranjo, but why he couldn't have been a little more polite? Just roll with the punches and handle the situation in a less up-tight manner.

[Vaughany]

I listen to Rogan quite often. Pretty big fan or him and Eddie Bravo. I don't see how it was that douchey. Hardly any of the listeners understand the skit that he did Laranja. You probably couldn't even hear what he was saying through the phone if you were listening to the podcast. Was just a bad idea from Eddie. It is Rogan's podcast, if he doesn't want to sit there and do a terrible skit on air then I see no reason why he wouldn't just say stop. If you hadn't seen the skit and were listening on radio, you would have little clue what was going on and would probably change the station.

yeah I forget tht most probably just listen to it rather than watch. I usually have the vimeo version on at work

[Vaughany]

Rich Franklin training pics... http://www.richfranklin.com/photo-ga...!popupPhoto/3/

[Beelzebubzy]

Rich Franklin training pics... http://www.richfranklin.com/photo-gallery/84/Training for Cung Le#!popupPhoto/3/

NSFW unless your Dakota Cochrane

[Vaughany]

NSFW unless your Dakota Cochrane

ha yeah without sounding like Cochrane the dude looks in terrific shape (especially in comparison to Cung Le!)

[Beelzebubzy]

ha yeah without sounding like Cochrane the dude looks in terrific shape (especially in comparison to Cung Le!)

the pics are safe for work with the xception of the first two. Rich is shirtless.

But yeah, Rich is a workout a holic. Always has been in great shape always will be.
As long as he survives the first round, the size advantage will be huge.
ahhh damn, i just said something on a public forum, my worldly knowledge of mma is going to drop Franklins line by 10 points.

[Rubber Guard]

Not expecting Rogan do be completely on board with Laranjo, but why he couldn't have been a little more polite? Just roll with the punches and handle the situation in a less up-tight manner.

Because Laranjo couldn't even hear him because he was on an iphone getting put up to a speaker. What is he supposed to say? Hey Laranjo, I would love to talk to you on my podcast but right now is not the best time? ............He couldn't even hear him, Joe sat there and tried to let him go, but it just wasn't working at all.

I don't really care. I'm just backing Joe Rogan, because at the end of the day he isn't a spacey hippy who doesn't give 2 shits. He just thought no one listening would really be with them. And it wasn't going to work. He was in no way ready to go back and forth with him in the skit, and that is the only way it would have worked.


*****The skit is Laranjo being billed as he always is as a 20 some world BJJ champ. I think he is just a regular black or brown belt under Eddie who was on soap operas. But he gets in an argument with Joe calling him "joe Hogan". And totally take a ridiculous stance vs. smoking weed and chases Joe down after Joe seems to get pissed. But it was all a skit and they are friends.

[ddream1]

V question for u,

i have +150 $100 on oveerem, starting to feel uncomfortable with it now(legal stuff, camp switch, focus) gonna lay some back on JDS(-165 currently) do u think the lines goes down from here on or closer to fight night, or do u think -165 is the best of the best for JDS? thanks V, i never seem to get the line movement right.

[Beelzebubzy]

V question for u,

i have +150 $100 on oveerem, starting to feel uncomfortable with it now(legal stuff, camp switch, focus) gonna lay some back on JDS(-165 currently) do u think the lines goes down from here on or closer to fight night, or do u think -165 is the best of the best for JDS? thanks V, i never seem to get the line movement right.

He is going to say arb out with JDS by TKO

[Vaughany]

V question for u,

i have +150 $100 on oveerem, starting to feel uncomfortable with it now(legal stuff, camp switch, focus) gonna lay some back on JDS(-165 currently) do u think the lines goes down from here on or closer to fight night, or do u think -165 is the best of the best for JDS? thanks V, i never seem to get the line movement right.

He is going to say arb out with JDS by TKO

Hedging with JDS by TKO/KO is certainly the option I'd recommend...you can even get JDS Inside at -138 currently.

In terms of judging line movement, I dont think JDS line will get better than -150. Perhaps the way the fighters are being promoted in weeks leading up to the fight may sway betting public, such as the countdown show...for instance they might make a big deal of Overeem bringing in Daniel Ghita to train with.

[MMAbetMASTA]

the pics are safe for work with the xception of the first two. Rich is shirtless.

But yeah, Rich is a workout a holic. Always has been in great shape always will be.
As long as he survives the first round, the size advantage will be huge.
ahhh damn, i just said something on a public forum, my worldly knowledge of mma is going to drop Franklins line by 10 points.

I know you're trying to be cute right there, but you're one of the only fools on here who I continuously still see talking about fights before the line is out. I know with this post it was irrelevant and there is no real insight here, but regardless, its the fact you seem to not take this seriously... You're truly an idiot if you don't think discussion affects the way lines are set and line movement. I think Hannibal, you and only a couple other people do this and think it isn't true.... Its a free forum so no way to enforce it, but pretty please - with sugar on top - keep your mouth shut on fights until the line comes out. You might not be a solid capper or great picker on here, but regardless, your opinon does matter and line makers do look at this site... Same goes for you guys on the ellenberger / kpman discussion, that's a huge one and I think its best we keep quiet on it.... Thank you.

[Hannibal]

Discussion only affects the line to some extent. And it depends on who is making the argument. I'm sure my arguments may have little weight to how kalikas sets the lines.. while someone more prominent may have a greater influence.

once the line is out the books dont adjust the lines based on discussion, but rather where the money is going. Maybe discussion affects where the public puts there money..but like i said previously, it depends on the speaker



why you call me dummy MASTAA?? lol

[Beelzebubzy]

I know you're trying to be cute right there, but you're one of the only fools on here who I continuously still see talking about fights before the line is out. I know with this post it was irrelevant and there is no real insight here, but regardless, its the fact you seem to not take this seriously... You're truly an idiot if you don't think discussion affects the way lines are set and line movement. I think Hannibal, you and only a couple other people do this and think it isn't true.... Its a free forum so no way to enforce it, but pretty please - with sugar on top - keep your mouth shut on fights until the line comes out. You might not be a solid capper or great picker on here, but regardless, your opinon does matter and line makers do look at this site... Same goes for you guys on the ellenberger / kpman discussion, that's a huge one and I think its best we keep quiet on it.... Thank you.

I never really discuss the fights beforehand for the most part. I say who i like but that's it. Secondly, I believe that if a oddsmaker is going to use one persons opinion as a sample size of public perception then he is wrong(sampling bias). Yes, some of my line predictions are correct and some are way off.

But, I appreciate your advice/concern and I will not discuss fights before the lines are made. And I do not think we should continually use V's thread to discuss mine or the rest of the board's incompetencies

I like Cung Le at -400 (okay, that was my last one)

I bolded the names out of fun/boredom.

[Beelzebubzy]

On a sadder note

John Olav Einemo Retires

[MMAbetMASTA]

I never really discuss the fights beforehand for the most part. I say who i like but that's it. Secondly, I believe that if a oddsmaker is going to use one persons opinion as a sample size of public perception then he is wrong(sampling bias). Yes, some of my line predictions are correct and some are way off.

But, I appreciate your advice/concern and I will not discuss fights before the lines are made. And I do not think we should continually use V's thread to discuss mine or the rest of the board's incompetencies

I like Cung Le at -400 (okay, that was my last one)

I bolded the names out of fun/boredom.

I did not mean to direct the name calling to you personally, I realize I came off arrogant and I apologize, outside of 'fool' (and fool for me is a casual way to address someone using slang, which now thinking about it is probably stupid for an net board), my words of 'idiot' and stuff was only directed to anyone on here who truly believes that discussion on here does not affect lines - because it does and those people who believe it doesn't matter are idiots... And I didn't mean to insult you with the 'solid capper' stuff, I meant to say that just because you're a somewhat low profile on here like me (we don't have our own threads / pick threads and whatnot) and we both seem to not be one of the 'bigger' names on here who get recogniztion for always picking correct (while I don't think anyone on here picks correct all the time)

But thank you for agreeing and yes I'm sorry V for blowing up your thread but I think you'd agree with what I'm saying, or at least I hope you do.

And you must be really bored......

[5mike5]

.this forum means nothing to books bud and doesnt do anything to lines..LMAO

god i cant stop laughing

[MMAbetMASTA]

Discussion only affects the line to some extent. And it depends on who is making the argument. I'm sure my arguments may have little weight to how kalikas sets the lines.. while someone more prominent may have a greater influence.

once the line is out the books dont adjust the lines based on discussion, but rather where the money is going. Maybe discussion affects where the public puts there money..but like i said previously, it depends on the speaker


why you call me dummy MASTAA?? lol

sorry player, again I'm only calling you an idiot if you truly believe it doesn't affect the setting or the movement... Please don't take it personal. once again I came off arrogant and should have re-read my post before I put it up. Nevertheless, I'm a firm believer in what I've said and I think it will benefit us all if we do a good job of keeping our mouths shut before a fight...

I do agree with you in the bold for the most part, although ghost kid and someone else in the another thread did present some good insight into how discussion after the line is out can still influence it's movement... But in the end, once the line is out I do think that the majority of movement is based on where the money goes...

[BIGDAY]

V's thread always gets used and abused.. He's gotta be used to it by now..

Always a party in here!