UFC 114 Rumors/Discussion

[36mafia]

maybe i shouldve reworded my post better

shogun is gonna give rashad a beat down he has never seen before. he matches up perfectly with every fighter and will not lose the belt for a long long time. he should only be behind anderson silva on the p4p rankings.

[Chairib]

maybe i shouldve reworded my post better

shogun is gonna give rashad a beat down he has never seen before. he matches up perfectly with every fighter and will not lose the belt for a long long time. he should only be behind anderson silva on the p4p rankings.

I'm still haven't made up my mind yet but right now I'm leaning towards Rashad in this fight.

[illmatick]

same here, horrible match-up for shogun imo

but I will say if rashad gets rocked like he has been in his last two fights, Shogun's putting him out, doubt we see him give rashad the same recovery time he was given against Thiago and Rampage

[Vaughany]

Shogun for sure...he wont be able to keep Shogun down like he did with Thiago and Rampage, and that if he even gets Shogun down. And Shoguns striking is way superior.

[illmatick]

the fact that nobody wants to give rashad a chance in this fight sounds awfully familiar..... cough* cough* Rampage

if you ask me who's going to win I'll tell you shogun but not confident at all in saying that, shogun would have to be -110 for me to play him, I'm thinking we'll see rashad around +180 which makes him a definite play in my book

if I was going to set a percentage on it I would say shogun wins the fight about 58% of the time

[Chairib]

Shogun for sure...he wont be able to keep Shogun down like he did with Thiago and Rampage, and that if he even gets Shogun down. And Shoguns striking is way superior.

If Rashad even gets Shogun down? I don't know if you're overestimating Shogun's takedown defense or underestimating Rashad's skill as a grappler. But what have you seen that would make you say that? I mean Shogun can and has been taken down in his fights. The guy's grappling is good but it's more suited to groundwork, takedown defense isn't a strength.

[36mafia]

its one thing to shoot on a flat footed predictable fighter in rampage, its another to get takedowns on a versatile muay thai striker with vicious leg kicks and a nasty clinch

the leg kick will win the fight for shogun

[Vaughany]

If Rashad even gets Shogun down? I don't know if you're overestimating Shogun's takedown defense or underestimating Rashad's skill as a grappler. But what have you seen that would make you say that? I mean Shogun can and has been taken down in his fights. The guy's grappling is good but it's more suited to groundwork, takedown defense isn't a strength.

See 36Mafia above! Shogun has kicks and vicious knees unlike Rampage...we all saw what happened to Sanchez wen he went for the takedown on Hathaway!

[Chairib]

See 36Mafia above! Shogun has kicks and vicious knees unlike Rampage...we all saw what happened to Sanchez wen he went for the takedown on Hathaway!

You seriously need to go watch more of Shogun's fights, total miss on your analysis.

[illmatick]

the fact that nobody wants to give rashad a chance in this fight sounds awfully familiar..... cough* cough* Rampage

I'm thinking we'll see rashad around +180 which makes him a definite play in my book

line was just put out, I was off by an inch

Shogun -250
Rashad +190

[brooks85]

o im loving that line, i cant not wait to see the stanky leg.

What i a really want to know is what even, im guessing ufc 122.

[Eccocide]

Beastly estimates in terms of PPV buys.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/6/3/1499674/early-reports-indicate-920000-pay

"The earliest cable estimate is 925,000 buys, which would make it the fourth highest number in UFC history. Any estimate this early is a very rough estimate, and the real number could end up significantly higher or lower. Based on that number, it would trail the 1.6 million for UFC 100 and the 1.05 million for the 2006 Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz fight, and right at 1 million for UFC 92 (a triple main event of Evans vs. Forrest Griffin, Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva). It would be in the same range as UFC 91, with Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Couture, and UFC 94, with the second Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn match. Both of those shows were really one match drawing shows.
...Most impressive is that it was a one-match show as far as marquee value. Had Griffin not pulled out of his fight with Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, adding Griffin, one of the company's top draws, would have probably pushed it past the 1 million mark. Without him, I thought it would fall a little short.
Before the show, Dana White's prediction was 850,000. He claimed it was based on advanced orders that other details that usually give the company a pretty good idea how the show will do. That would rank it No. 6 or No. 7 on the company's all-time list. The record going into this show for a non-title match main event would have been 775,000 for the Ken Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz grudge match in 2006 (technically that show had a Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski heavyweight title match billed as the main event). For a show that didn't have a title match of any kind, no UFC event historically has topped 600,000 buys (Royce Gracie vs. Matt Hughes in 2006), so if nothing else, this blew away that record, probably by a wide margin.

Evans got $410,000 of disclosed money, but with his PPV bonus, should get well into the seven figures. Jackson got $250,000 disclosed. He has a PPV bonus written into his contract. If the show did 800,000 buys, and it probably did more, Jackson will end up with a figure probably around $2 million."

[illmatick]

great news, wouldn't surprise me to see an unwarranted rematch sooner than later

[syn^]

There's definately a lot of questions now that shogun is champ and rashad is the #1 contender. While I must admit Shogun had back2back great performances against machida I still don't see him as a clear cut #1 205er. I mean he did get choked out my forrest griffin and had a mediocre performance against a WAY over the hill coleman. I definately could see rashad implementing his wrestling on shogun and even work him with his boxing. Its going to be awhile before anyone will be the real #1 205er but for a rankings purpose who would you put? IMO it would have to be anderson silva since hes dominated the division below and is undefeated at 205.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Beastly estimates in terms of PPV buys.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/6/3/1499674/early-reports-indicate-920000-pay

"The earliest cable estimate is 925,000 buys, which would make it the fourth highest number in UFC history. Any estimate this early is a very rough estimate, and the real number could end up significantly higher or lower. Based on that number, it would trail the 1.6 million for UFC 100 and the 1.05 million for the 2006 Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz fight, and right at 1 million for UFC 92 (a triple main event of Evans vs. Forrest Griffin, Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira and Jackson vs. Wanderlei Silva). It would be in the same range as UFC 91, with Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Couture, and UFC 94, with the second Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn match. Both of those shows were really one match drawing shows.
...Most impressive is that it was a one-match show as far as marquee value. Had Griffin not pulled out of his fight with Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, adding Griffin, one of the company's top draws, would have probably pushed it past the 1 million mark. Without him, I thought it would fall a little short.
Before the show, Dana White's prediction was 850,000. He claimed it was based on advanced orders that other details that usually give the company a pretty good idea how the show will do. That would rank it No. 6 or No. 7 on the company's all-time list. The record going into this show for a non-title match main event would have been 775,000 for the Ken Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz grudge match in 2006 (technically that show had a Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski heavyweight title match billed as the main event). For a show that didn't have a title match of any kind, no UFC event historically has topped 600,000 buys (Royce Gracie vs. Matt Hughes in 2006), so if nothing else, this blew away that record, probably by a wide margin.

Evans got $410,000 of disclosed money, but with his PPV bonus, should get well into the seven figures. Jackson got $250,000 disclosed. He has a PPV bonus written into his contract. If the show did 800,000 buys, and it probably did more, Jackson will end up with a figure probably around $2 million."

Wow thats nuts, GSP/Penn 2 did aprox 920K and this would put it ahead of them