UFC 114 Rumors/Discussion

[The HOFF]

Date: May 29, 2010

Location: Las Vegas
Venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena
Broadcast: Pay-per-view

• Rashad Evans vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
• Forrest Griffin vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
• Todd Duffee vs. Mike Russow
• John Hathaway vs. Diego Sanchez
• Dong Hyun Kim vs. Amir Sadollah
• Chris Leben vs. Aaron Simpson
• Melvin Guillard vs. Thiago Tavares
• Efrain Escudero vs. Dan Lauzon
• Luiz Cane vs. Cyrille Diabate
• Jesse Forbes vs. Ryan Jensen

[The HOFF]

Rashad Evans +125
Quinton Jackson -155

[whatsgood5]

Gotta like Jackson to win that one...

[JuicedUp]

I hope Rashad gets f'ed up. I can't stand the guy personally, ,but I think the smart play is Rashad Evans by decision.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

So i guess they took the Griffin vs Nogueira fight off the Montreal card

[brooks85]

i look forward to amir/stungun.

[The HOFF]

Bodog:

Forrest Griffin +190
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira -250

Chris Leben +285
Aaron Simpson -365

[squallsquall]

Bodog:

Forrest Griffin +190
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira -250

Christ, this one opened at -165 with Sportsbook... how do you guys bet on opening lines? Just check with the sites like all the time?

[The HOFF]

Christ, this one opened at -165 with Sportsbook... how do you guys bet on opening lines? Just check with the sites like all the time?

Go to bestfightodds.com They have an alert option that will send you an email when there are odds for an event or for a single fight.

[36mafia]

cant wait for UFC 114: Black on Black Crime
and get rashad as a dog while you can. it shocks me sometimes when the books get the lines this wrong

[whatsgood5]

Evans/Jackson should be a great fight

[whatsgood5]

Griffin/Nogueira won't be too bad either. Should be a very exciting night

[shady610]

i love forrest at those odds. il ltake good odds with him any day. and leben is fighting for his career now so ill probably like those odds when its closer to the fight.


rashad should be way too fast for rampage so he should win. this show looks like a very profitable night

[playa420]

cant wait for UFC 114: Black on Black Crime
and get rashad as a dog while you can. it shocks me sometimes when the books get the lines this wrong[/quote]

Are you serious dude? Are you telling me you think ****ing Rashad Evans should be the favorite.Rampage Jackson is pound for pound one of the best fighters in the world, Evans on the other hand is an overrated reality tv fighter. Rashads fake ass is gonna get exposed, and his gonna get knocked da **** out.

[36mafia]

Are you serious dude? Are you telling me you think ****ing Rashad Evans should be the favorite.Rampage Jackson is pound for pound one of the best fighters in the world, Evans on the other hand is an overrated reality tv fighter. Rashads fake ass is gonna get exposed, and his gonna get knocked da **** out.

rampage use to be one of the best pound for pound but while he took a year off to talk shit and make movies, rashad was getting a black belt in bjj from rolles gracie. LOL at you trying to use tuf to discredit rashad. yeah the recent seasons are mostly garbage but the earlier ones produced top contenders. it was a faster route for young fighters to get to the big show instead of getting gigs at regional shows and hoping to get noticed. anybody would do the same. hes a juco national champ and a former D1 wrestler if you forgot. rampages wrestling credentials: wrestled in high school then dropped out, watch out for his slams... LOL. rashad dominated thiago in his last fight. it was looking to be a 30-27 ud until thiago grew some balls and started swinging for the fences in the third. he had better game planning this time and it looks like he can weather a barrage from brawler type strikers. hows that saying again... everything rampage can do, rashad can do better

[knownone]

rampage use to be one of the best pound for pound but while he took a year off to talk shit and make movies, rashad was getting a black belt in bjj from rolles gracie. LOL at you trying to use tuf to discredit rashad. yeah the recent seasons are mostly garbage but the earlier ones produced top contenders. it was a faster route for young fighters to get to the big show instead of getting gigs at regional shows and hoping to get noticed. anybody would do the same. hes a juco national champ and a former D1 wrestler if you forgot. rampages wrestling credentials: wrestled in high school then dropped out, watch out for his slams... LOL. rashad dominated thiago in his last fight. it was looking to be a 30-27 ud until thiago grew some balls and started swinging for the fences in the third. he had better game planning this time and it looks like he can weather a barrage from brawler type strikers. hows that saying again... everything rampage can do, rashad can do better

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Rampage undefeated in jr. college wrestling until dropping out?
Thiago landed 100+ more strikes than Rashad, No offense but he hardly dominated it may have looked flashy but he won 2 rounds on takedowns than quit and ran around.
Rampage has much much better takedown D than Thiago, I don't think Rashad can knock Page out or take him down so I agree with these lines.

[36mafia]

Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Rampage undefeated in jr. college wrestling until dropping out?
Thiago landed 100+ more strikes than Rashad, No offense but he hardly dominated it may have looked flashy but he won 2 rounds on takedowns than quit and ran around.
Rampage has much much better takedown D than Thiago, I don't think Rashad can knock Page out or take him down so I agree with these lines.

your thinking about jon jones. juco national champ and greco roman all-american but dropped out of college because his baby mama got pregnant.
suga rashad came in with an effective and smart game plan and carried it out against silva for two and a half rounds. with the exception of a combo here and there silva wasnt able to do anything except adjust to rashads takedowns. taking a world beater out of their game and make them fight yours is domination imo.
as for rampage's takedown defense being better.. maybe. maybe not. the fact of the matter is he hasnt fought since march of 09 and he hasnt fought a credible wrestler since hendo in 07. im not sure if rampage still knows what sprawling is. the fighter is as good as his team/teammates. who's he gonna grapple and work on his wrestling with? kongo? bisping?
guess i was quick to say rashad is better in every way. rampage still has a punchers chance to get a flash ko, but if i was a betting person i wouldnt rely on those odds especially when rampage is coming in as the fav.

[Tree Rollins]

The thing that worries me about Rampage vs. Rashad is 1st, Rampage hasn't been in the ring in forever and ring rust does exist, that's been proven through the years. Also, Rampage is supposedly wayyyy over weight. All that catered food from the a-team movie set caught up to him.
Basically, Rashad lives in the gym and rampage pretty much hates to train. I just have a bad feeling about this fight unless Rampage starts getting serious again, and soon.

[playa420]

rampage use to be one of the best pound for pound but while he took a year off to talk shit and make movies, rashad was getting a black belt in bjj from rolles gracie. LOL at you trying to use tuf to discredit rashad. yeah the recent seasons are mostly garbage but the earlier ones produced top contenders. it was a faster route for young fighters to get to the big show instead of getting gigs at regional shows and hoping to get noticed. anybody would do the same. hes a juco national champ and a former D1 wrestler if you forgot. rampages wrestling credentials: wrestled in high school then dropped out, watch out for his slams... LOL. rashad dominated thiago in his last fight. it was looking to be a 30-27 ud until thiago grew some balls and started swinging for the fences in the third. he had better game planning this time and it looks like he can weather a barrage from brawler type strikers. hows that saying again... everything rampage can do, rashad can do better

Its funny how you mention Rashads fake ass black belt that he got from Rolles. Rashad has no where near the bjj skills of a true black belt, and even Renzo Gracie thinks he doesnt deserve it.You want to talk about credentials, lets talk about what the figheters have accomplished in mma. Since coming to the ufc Rampage KO'd Chuck Liddell when chuck was still "da man".Then he went on to unify the pride and ufc titles vs Hendo in a 5 round war. Later he KO'd hes long time enemy Wanderlei. Rashad fake ass on the other hand had a draw with tito, that would of been a loss if tito ddint get points taken away for grabing the fence.Then he beat a washed up Chuck Liddell. He won the title from fellow reality tv fighter Forest. Then he got humiliated by Machida.If you think Rashad can stand and bang with rampage your gonna be shocked when he gets viciously knocked out.The line should be at least -200, and -155 is a damn good deal.

[Kaladarus]

I really like the Rashad's line on this one. I would take Rashad as a favorite also. He's faster, has a better training camp and can easily steal rounds with takedowns. Also he's improved a lot from the past fights.

Chuck was still "da man" when Rampage knocked him out? Come on, Rashad did the same thing 1 year later. As far as the Hendo fight it was a very close fight. Hendo could have potentially won if he had used his takedown ability. You also discredit Rashad for beating Forrest Griffin, yet Rampage lost the belt to Forrest. If Forrest is that bad and Rampage lost to him, what does that make Rampage? As far as Wanderlei goes, "washed up" Chuck beat him before losing to Rashad. If Rashad beat the washed up fighter who beat the guy you praise Rampage for beating then it follows that Rampage should receive absolutely no credit for beating Wanderlei since according to your logic Wanderlei was worse than the washed up Chuck, who you give Rashad no credit for beating. Unless of course Chuck only became washed up after his victory over Wanderlei? Where are you coming up with this logic? Don't get me wrong this fight will be a close one, but lets not talk about credentials when you're just going to make stuff up based solely on your personal opinion.

[The HOFF]

He's faster, has a better training camp and can easily steal rounds with takedowns.

This is why I am leaning Rashad. Just like he did against Thiago Silva. Rampage hasn't fought in forever, and his last fight was a narrow victory over Keith Jardine.

[playa420]

I really like the Rashad's line on this one. I would take Rashad as a favorite also. He's faster, has a better training camp and can easily steal rounds with takedowns. Also he's improved a lot from the past fights.

Chuck was still "da man" when Rampage knocked him out? Come on, Rashad did the same thing 1 year later. As far as the Hendo fight it was a very close fight. Hendo could have potentially won if he had used his takedown ability. You also discredit Rashad for beating Forrest Griffin, yet Rampage lost the belt to Forrest. If Forrest is that bad and Rampage lost to him, what does that make Rampage? As far as Wanderlei goes, "washed up" Chuck beat him before losing to Rashad. If Rashad beat the washed up fighter who beat the guy you praise Rampage for beating then it follows that Rampage should receive absolutely no credit for beating Wanderlei since according to your logic Wanderlei was worse than the washed up Chuck, who you give Rashad no credit for beating. Unless of course Chuck only became washed up after his victory over Wanderlei? Where are you coming up with this logic? Don't get me wrong this fight will be a close one, but lets not talk about credentials when you're just going to make stuff up based solely on your personal opinion.

Rampage beat Chuck when he was the champion. Chuck was on 7 fight win streak and looked unbeatable. When Rashad beat Chuck he was 1-2 in hes previous 3 fights.As far as Rampage losing the belt to Forrest,Rampage admits he underestimated forrest and diddnt train properley.He was out of shape and fat, and with all that being said he still won the fight, but got robbed by the judges.Hes learned from that and it showed when he fought a guy like Jardine.Im not making up shit based on personal opinion, Rashad isnt on the same level as Rampage, and this fight isnt going to be as close as people think.

[Tree Rollins]

This is why I am leaning Rashad. Just like he did against Thiago Silva. Rampage hasn't fought in forever, and his last fight was a narrow victory over Keith Jardine.

If this wasn't rampages first fight back and first fight in over a year, i'd take him every time. Rashad has been completely and totally devoted and immersed in fighting ever since TUF. I wish i could just ignore Rampage's time off and his recent lack of devotion, but i'm afraid it might catch up to him this time. I can't stand Rashad Evans but he's one hell of a tough fight for anyone, especially someone who's been off for an extended period of time. He's not exactly the guy i'd want to have my 'comeback' fight against.
Rampage is my favorite fighter, without a doubt, and it will be devastating to see him lose to Rashad. Hopefully, he gets his shit together and surprises me.

[Tree Rollins]

If Rampage comes in with the focus and intensity he brought against Chuck Liddell, he can't be beat. I remember watching that fight, and when Rampage walked toward the ring, i told everyone around me it was over, NO WAY he loses this fight. The look on his face was unforgettable. He wasn't losing, period.
Flash forward a few years. Rampage has finally gotten the accolades and fame and mainstream American notiriety that he was desperately looking for when he fought Chuck. He's always open about his disdain for training. He's obviously looking forward to his life 'after the ufc'. The question now is, is Rampage still hungry? Does he still have the heart for it? When your heart is full, you don't feel that hungry.

And that's why I'm worried about this fight.

[36mafia]

I really like the Rashad's line on this one. I would take Rashad as a favorite also. He's faster, has a better training camp and can easily steal rounds with takedowns. Also he's improved a lot from the past fights.

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rashad is always in the gym learning and improving from every fight. rampage is the same fighter that he was in pride, probably a lesser form of him because hes been away for so long doing other things. it doesnt matter that his bjj black belt isnt approved by a og gracie, i only mentioned it because its proof that hes been improving his game.

[The HOFF]

Joe Brammer (7-1-1 MMA, 0-1 UFC) makes a second attempt at his first Ultimate Fighting Championship victory at UFC 114, where he's likely to meet veteran Aaron Riley (28-12-1 MMA, 2-4 UFC).

Both lightweights have agreed to the fight and are expected to sign shortly, a source close to one of the fighters told MMAjunkie.com.

[ufcmma36]

I believe rampage will make rashad do the fish flop!!!

[The HOFF]

A middleweight bout between Michael Bisping (18-3 MMA, 8-3 UFC) and Dan Miller (11-3 MMA, 3-2 UFC), established contenders both desperately in need of a win, is likely to take place in May at UFC 114.

Multiple sources close to the event today told MMAjunkie.com that UFC officials are working to sign the bout and that at least one competitor has agreed to the matchup.

[BIGDAY]

That would be an interesting matchup!

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

I guess the feud is over, MMA live reported Jackson signed a 6 fight extension

[The HOFF]

I guess the feud is over, MMA live reported Jackson signed a 6 fight extension

Hell yeah!! Rampage vs Machida! Rampage vs Shogun II! Rampage vs Nogueria!

[The HOFF]

Forrest Griffin has withdrawn from a co-headlining light heavyweight contest against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira at UFC 114 on May 29 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

TMZ.com was the first to report that the former UFC light heavyweight champion has bowed out with a shoulder injury and Sherdog.com has confirmed it independently. A replacement has not been announced yet.

[knownone]

damn it's gonna be hard to find a decent replacement for forrest. everyone seems to be tied up right now.

[cky312]

Dammit Forrest, oh well I missed the opener on that anyways.

[Lincoln73]

The Forrest card was thin to begin with before the injury...guess we still have UFC 113 to look forward to.