UFC 219: Cyborg Vs. Holm | 30.12.2017 (Las Vegas, Nevada)

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-21-17, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

Rewatched the Iuri fight. Rivera was coming forward Lineker style in this fight and causing issues for Iuri. He ended the first 2 rounds with TD's in the final minute to seal them which is nice to see. I think fight IQ and willingness to win is the big difference in this fight. Rivera seems to have a good idea of where he stands in rounds at all times. Not worried about any SUB in this fight though. Rivera will use his reactive wrestling when Lineker tries to pressure just to give himself the edge on the feet.

Lineker does have a strong Guillotine but other than that neither guy is much of a submission finisher.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-21-17, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

1 fight down. On to Cyborg/Holm tomorrow. I've heard a VERY interesting angle that makes me lean towards Cyborg ITD. When Holm is retreating and using her boxing defensively, she HAS to plant her feet to throw a punch (even defensively). Obviously this will NOT work against someone with the power and technique of Cyborg.

My question for Holm backers: In what phase/aspect of the fight does she have a clear advantage? (i.e. speed, power, volume, durability, cardio, offensive wrestling, GnP, submissions etc.)

**TPowell** · 12-21-17, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Lineker does have a strong Guillotine but other than that neither guy is much of a submission finisher.

Yep, when you watch Rivera's TD's they are mostly reacting to the opponent coming forward so they don't have a good shot at throwing something like that up.

**TPowell** · 12-21-17, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

My question for Holm backers: In what phase/aspect of the fight does she have a clear advantage? (i.e. speed, power, volume, durability, cardio, offensive wrestling, GnP, submissions etc.)

My guess would be cardio and possibly speed?

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-21-17, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

My guess would be cardio and possibly speed?

Cyborg definitely has better cardio. I would say Cyborg has hand speed but Holm has better foot speed, especially with Left Head Kicks.

**firekillex** · 12-21-17, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

My question for Holm backers: In what phase/aspect of the fight does she have a clear advantage? (i.e. speed, power, volume, durability, cardio, offensive wrestling, GnP, submissions etc.)

she has a much louder grunt then cyborg

**GoBlue77** · 12-21-17, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

Khabib and cyborg parlay is free money.

i cant disagree with this at all

**Shagdogy** · 12-21-17, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

1 fight down. On to Cyborg/Holm tomorrow. I've heard a VERY interesting angle that makes me lean towards Cyborg ITD. When Holm is retreating and using her boxing defensively, she HAS to plant her feet to throw a punch (even defensively). Obviously this will NOT work against someone with the power and technique of Cyborg.

I'm not sure I understand this angle, technically? Are you saying that she doesn't strike well when moving backwards? She retreats in a straight line?

**TPowell** · 12-21-17, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I'm not sure I understand this angle, technically? Are you saying that she doesn't strike well when moving backwards? She retreats in a straight line?

Instead of resetting and throwing a quick jab or something on the retreat, she sits down on those strikes. That is what I'm looking for when I watch the film later on.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-21-17, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I'm not sure I understand this angle, technically? Are you saying that she doesn't strike well when moving backwards? She retreats in a straight line?

I think if anything Holm is a better striker countering then leading. Shevchenko countered the shit out of Holm with check hooks when she waited on Holm to lead.

**Sato** · 12-21-17, 10:41 AM

Cyborg isnt going to capitalize on that. If she starts swinging its anything goes. As soon as she starts swinging shes prone to get hit but none of her opponents could clip her with a good counter because they simply arent good enough.

Im not saying Holms counter striking is the best in the world but she paces herself very good compared to Cyborgs previous opponents and knows how to use footwork and she knows how to stab at Cyborg staying long. Cyborg didnt rush the fight vs Evinger and stayed composed which makes her more dangerous but Evinger forgot how to fight as soon as she got hit.

About cardio: Cyborg didnt have to dig deep when she cut to 135 and almost died because there was no threat in her bouts during that time. The Evinger fight didnt tell us anything about her form. She just kept punching her and reset when she needed a breather. None of her opposition was as sticky as Holm will be.

Cyborg is a pure stand up fighter inside the cage and Holly will be best suited to avoid danger from a pure striking perspective than anybody Cyborg has ever faced in MMA because nobody is as decorated as Holly is. If you look at Cyborgs record its a total bum show.

Holly ML, Holly by u. dec. (+450), split dec. (+1120) are numbers that get my fvckin' attention tbh.

**JIBBBY** · 12-21-17, 12:52 PM

Holly Holm is gonna surprise snap head kick Cyborg like she does to everyone else.. Probably when Cyborg begins to tire out, press and those hands start to come down.

BOOM...Lights out then....

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-21-17, 01:21 PM

Holm does have good counterstriking and Head Kicks.

**firekillex** · 12-21-17, 01:54 PM

Holm is garbage imo
easy win for Cyborg, showing a bunch of headkicks against novice strikers is laughable tbh
Cyborg would eat all those girls for breakfast, Holm has a hail marys chance in this fight thats about it imo

and if Cyborg wants to bring this to the mat its game over

**PaperTrail07** · 12-21-17, 02:14 PM

Have to Agree....she is a MAN....and will just bulldoze holm...

Originally posted by firekillex

Holm is garbage imo
easy win for Cyborg, showing a bunch of headkicks against novice strikers is laughable tbh
Cyborg would eat all those girls for breakfast, Holm has a hail marys chance in this fight thats about it imo

and if Cyborg wants to bring this to the mat its game over

**JIBBBY** · 12-21-17, 02:34 PM

This could very well happen to Holly Holm again. Cyborg is a brute I can't lie.... Holly has been dropped before and with boxing gloves on....

**Shagdogy** · 12-21-17, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Hugo's 100 Point Trivia Question:
This UFC 219 fighter has all of his UFC wins by finish and all of his UFC losses by Unanimous Decision.

First correct response gets 100 BetPoints. Will it be JakePeavy retaining his title as the Reigning, Defending, Undisputed Trivia Champ or will we see a new challenger rise up and win the prize? Only time will tell.

Going back to 2010 he is 10-1 in Australia/NZ and 1-3 outside. Las Vegas this time...

**PaperTrail07** · 12-21-17, 03:45 PM

Has to be HOOKER

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Going back to 2010 he is 10-1 in Australia/NZ and 1-3 outside. Las Vegas this time...

**Demonata** · 12-21-17, 04:39 PM

This event feels so far away... We have been spoiled having ufc every weekend. I guess the bright side is i cant lose for once

**JIBBBY** · 12-21-17, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

This event feels so far away... We have been spoiled having ufc every weekend. I guess the bright side is i cant lose for once

Lol.. Dem you are funny guy....

Yes I don't like the long wait between events either.. Every week works for me with the UFC.. They are losing money and it's not like the fighters don't want to fight and not get paid either.. Really not sure why they don't book events for every week now to be honest? Doesn't make smart business sense to me...

It's not like there is not a demand for UFC events every weekend.. Zuffa has a monopoly on it..

**thewitchinghour** · 12-21-17, 09:11 PM

Cyborg wins via sub imo... hammering ml... small play via sub... think we see her choke her out like tate did...

**k13** · 12-21-17, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

Holm is garbage imo
easy win for Cyborg, showing a bunch of headkicks against novice strikers is laughable tbh
Cyborg would eat all those girls for breakfast, Holm has a hail marys chance in this fight thats about it imo

and if Cyborg wants to bring this to the mat its game over

Cyborg is a novice...

**k13** · 12-21-17, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

It's not like there is not a demand for UFC events every weekend.. Zuffa has a monopoly on it..

The ratings are crap...

**firekillex** · 12-21-17, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by k13

Cyborg is a novice...

yes the greatest womans mma fighter on the planet is a novice
makes sense

**Demonata** · 12-21-17, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by k13

Cyborg is a novice...

Please leave...

**JIBBBY** · 12-21-17, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by k13

The ratings are crap...

Ratings are hit and miss lately... Depends on the events and where they are being held and who is fighting...

UFC Ratings

https://www.mmamania.com/ufc-ratings

UFC Ratings on MMAmania.com

**Hugo de Naranja** · 12-22-17, 01:31 AM

Fun facts about Edson Barboza
1. He has been taken down a total of three times in his last 12 UFC fights since January 2013.
2. He has never been more then a (+155) underdog in his entire career

**JIBBBY** · 12-22-17, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Fun facts about Edson Barboza
1. He has been taken down a total of three times in his last 12 UFC fights since January 2013.
2. He has never been more then a (+155) underdog in his entire career

Interesting facts...... Khabib is different animal though and how many pure grapplers/wrestlers has Edson really faced like Khabib? http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Edson-Barboza-46259

**Shagdogy** · 12-22-17, 05:00 PM

Can I just bet Barboza because I hate Khabib and want him out of the title talk? Is that good strategy?

**thewitchinghour** · 12-22-17, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by k13

Cyborg is a novice...

cyborg is extremely high level muay thai striker... you are wrong

**firekillex** · 12-22-17, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

Can I just bet Barboza because I hate Khabib and want him out of the title talk? Is that good strategy?

same boat
would be pumped if barboza landed a huge knee or head kick and kod khabib

**JIBBBY** · 12-22-17, 05:10 PM

^^ I don't really like Khabib either with his stupid gay wigs and thug Russian posse he trolls around with... I with you guys on this...

**Demonata** · 12-22-17, 05:38 PM

Im with khabib. I love his training and liked him ever since his bear wrestling video. Love his wigs.

**firekillex** · 12-22-17, 05:51 PM

just dont like how he always has excuses for missing weight....
he could easily make 55 with lifestyle changes guy weighs like 190lbs walking around DC was saying..... he should be walking around 180lbs max if he doesnt wanna kill himself every cut

with RDA doing so well at 170 i wonder how khabib would fair there though..

**thewitchinghour** · 12-22-17, 07:25 PM

he always has excuses for missing weight? lol do you know how many times he's missed weight?