UFC 213: Nunes vs. Shevchenko (July 08, 2017)

[NUTSonYAchin]

Nunes fight over 2.5 rounds

Whitaker

Overeem

Gastelum

Jones by decision

Cyborg by ko round 1

Woodley by tko round 2

And Mayweather by decision

[firekillex]

agreed hugo hes not a great round winner , especially 5 rounds i literally cannot see him winning a decision in 5
hell need a finish if he wants to win this fight, hes so explosive he can go off at any moment so hes a scary dude but technically whittaker should be able to win this matchup round 3/4 tko imo

[NUTSonYAchin]

That's a fair assessment. Romero is super dynamic and a great knockout artist but he's not a very consistent roundwinner. Think he needs a KO here to win.

Weidman's done. He lost his swagger and confidence. Rockhold took his soul and ripped his face up pretty badly. He's taken some pretty bad beat downs lately and he's really not that great at anything. I mean honestly, Weidman's a glorified Rich Franklin

[Demonata]

With all due respect, I consider you to be sharper than me overall, but I can't respect that play. Romero was obvious on so many levels in that one...

How often does romero win fights with a flying knea? Romero winning by that in round 3 was not obvious at all lol. That fight could of gone either way. Weidman was fine heading into the 3rd. Everytime he got taken down got up fast like it was nothing until the very last one. That 3rd could of gone either way if he didnt get caught.

[Demonata]

If whittaker becomes more a favorite than -140 I'm taking romero but if under that taking whittaker lol. Romero is no.bum and is super athletic and fit as hell. I don't see this fight going to decision at all one of these guys going to get knocked out.

[firekillex]

whittaker has a great chin, most of yoels knockouts are some crazy shot
whittaker is a smart dude he will fight intelligently , but yoel can catch anybody because hes so explosive
id say 70/30 whittaker wins this imo

[Hugo de Naranja]

How often does romero win fights with a flying knea? Romero winning by that in round 3 was not obvious at all lol. That fight could of gone either way. Weidman was fine heading into the 3rd. Everytime he got taken down got up fast like it was nothing until the very last one. That 3rd could of gone either way if he didnt get caught.

He won his UFC debut by Flying Knee KO and throws one in literally every fight.

[Demonata]

whittaker has a great chin, most of yoels knockouts are some crazy shot
whittaker is a smart dude he will fight intelligently , but yoel can catch anybody because hes so explosive
id say 70/30 whittaker wins this imo

I wish I could agree man. I'm starting to think overeem to beat werdum I like more...

[Demonata]

He won his UFC debut by Flying Knee KO and throws one in literally every fight.

Wwll I think that one was pretty lucky. Weidman if I remember correctly never lost to one before.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Wwll I think that one was pretty lucky. Weidman if I remember correctly never lost to one before.

How many people have lost to Flying Knees lol? More important that Romero throws them often

[Demonata]

How many people have lost to Flying Knees lol? More important that Romero throws them often

True haha. I'm just going crazy I wanted whittaker at plus odds now I want Romero at + odds I.dont think anyone should be big favorites in this fight.should be closer to pick em

[Hugo de Naranja]

True haha. I'm just going crazy I wanted whittaker at plus odds now I want Romero at + odds I.dont think anyone should be big favorites in this fight.should be closer to pick em

Maybe take Romero KO/TKO or try Whittaker -5.5? Both should be decent plus odds

[firekillex]

Yoel is so explosive he loves flying knees, spinning backfists, shit like that because hes so explosive if any of those land its night night
i dont even think Whittaker will be there when he throws stuff like that , his footwork is elite

i think overeem beats werdum as well though been on him for a month now, he has Werdums number and matches up great against him, just needs to be careful of werdums kicks/clinch

[Demonata]

Maybe take Romero KO/TKO or try Whittaker -5.5? Both should be decent plus odds

I only like taking moneyline to win. All the rest just confuses me and makes it harder for me to enjoy the fight. I'll take over or under sometimes so maybe I'll just bet it not to go to decision and cheer for someone to win before it ends lol

[NUTSonYAchin]

Yoel is so explosive he loves flying knees, spinning backfists, shit like that because hes so explosive if any of those land its night night
i dont even think Whittaker will be there when he throws stuff like that , his footwork is elite

i think overeem beats werdum as well though been on him for a month now, he has Werdums number and matches up great against him, just needs to be careful of werdums kicks/clinch

[NUTSonYAchin]

Ok here's why Whitaker wins this fight at least 75% of the time for all of you idiots out there (fukk it I want to be cocky, I'm Eazy E after all)...

Romero was on steroids and we all know how fighters look after the juice (especially Brazilians).

He will get tired first.

He takes too many chances.

Whitaker throws straight punches and is a better striker.

I guess Romero could hold him down for two out of 3 rounds and eek out a decision, but I doubt it.

[firekillex]

5 round fight its for a title remember ... crucial in this fight

[Demonata]

Ok here's why Whitaker wins this fight at least 75% of the time for all of you idiots out there (fukk it I want to be cocky, I'm Eazy E after all)...

Romero was on steroids and we all know how fighters look after the juice (especially Brazilians).

He will get tired first.

He takes too many chances.

Whitaker throws straight punches and is a better striker.

I guess Romero could hold him down for two out of 3 rounds and eek out a decision, but I doubt it.

Imo romero only wins if he knocks him out. All his chances he's been taking sure has put him on a big winning streak. Romero I think has more in.his arsenal than Whittaker also I think he might be stronger as well. Still.undecided though on who I take depends on odds.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Ok here's why Whitaker wins this fight at least 75% of the time for all of you idiots out there (fukk it I want to be cocky, I'm Eazy E after all)...

Romero was on steroids and we all know how fighters look after the juice (especially Brazilians).

He will get tired first.

He takes too many chances.

Whitaker throws straight punches and is a better striker.

I guess Romero could hold him down for two out of 3 rounds and eek out a decision, but I doubt it.

I'm on Whittaker but why mention Brazilians looking bad after juice? Also it's FIVE rounds here not three which I think makes a big difference. I would be very surprised if Romero was able to Lay and Pray Whittaker for 3/5 rounds. Whittaker is hard to take down and harder to hold down.

[turbozed]

imo weiman couldve won that decision easily if he didnt shoot that ill advised takedown, it was 1 round a piece and the 3rd round was slightly favoring romero before the knee
romero is super explosive but overrated imo

I think it was more of Romero's timing than Weidman's mistake that was responsible for that KO. Romero is unfairly portrayed as a tactically unsound fighter with a lot of explosiveness and luck. But the guy has another devastating flying knee KO earlier on against Starks. Very unlikely for a guy to pull the same KO move with that much intention and force by accident. The other thing is that he has a ton of 3rd round KOs. This is some evidence that he's either figuring out his opponent a bit as the fight progresses or, at the very least, saves up some power in reserve to unload once both fighters have tired and the pace has slowed a bit.

I can see the reasoning behind backing Whittaker here, since he's got the style and boxing that matches up well with Romero on paper. But I wouldn't bet against Romero big unless he just completely loses that burst of athleticism and ages overnight. I haven't seen that yet so I'd advise to tread lightly.

[turbozed]

He won his UFC debut by Flying Knee KO and throws one in literally every fight.

He's also got FIVE round 3 finishes. That's an absurd amount of 3rd round finishes and I imagine has to be a UFC record. Given the stats, I can't imagine that to be luck or flukey, and more indicative of Yoel having a KO power reserve and/or being good at getting down his opponent's timing.

[firekillex]

that knee only landed because of Weidmans mistake, he shot the takedown on the wrong side, if he shot it the way he was the entire fight he couldnt land the shot, Weidman and his coach even knew and said he fcked up shooting that side which gave yomero the win.. but in the end it was his fault and romeros great timing cant take anything away from him it was a great knee

[Demonata]

He's also got FIVE round 3 finishes. That's an absurd amount of 3rd round finishes and I imagine has to be a UFC record. Given the stats, I can't imagine that to be luck or flukey, and more indicative of Yoel having a KO power reserve and/or being good at getting down his opponent's timing.

It was a fluke against weidman. Weidman never gets knocked out on.takedowns. I'm just sticking to it because weidman is an amazing wrestler

[turbozed]

Maybe take Romero KO/TKO or try Whittaker -5.5? Both should be decent plus odds

Romero ITD is +180 which I imagine will be pretty close to the KO prop since I can't imagine anyone thinking a submission will be forthcoming (he doesn't even have one submission victory). That's not too far off from the ML at +120 right now. Still, I can't even imagine what Romero will look like in the 4th and 5th rounds since the guy consistently tries to find ways to get more rest in between rounds in 3 round fights. Maybe better value would be Romero in Rds 2 and 3, since he's rather inactive in Rd 1.

I've played the over 1.5 rds when it was close to -160 for the above reason since I was sure it'd be set at 2.5 rds. I understand that both guys have a ton of power and can put each other out, but neither guy charges in once the fight starts. Like Holloway it takes Whittaker at least a round to get going too. Also, fighters tend to ease into 5 rders just in general, and this might be more pronounced with less aggressive fighters. Probably will lay off taking a side but am leaning Romero as the odds keep heading in Whittaker's direction.

[NUTSonYAchin]

I'm on Whittaker but why mention Brazilians looking bad after juice? Also it's FIVE rounds here not three which I think makes a big difference. I would be very surprised if Romero was able to Lay and Pray Whittaker for 3/5 rounds. Whittaker is hard to take down and harder to hold down.

Because a high percentage of them have been popped and never looked the same after the recent testing. Bigfoot, Erik Silva, Vitor, Barao, Anderson Silva, Romero, and I'm sure there's a handful of others but I'm too high to think of them right now but the point is that when you get popped for TRT or juice you usually come back shitty. It's not rocket science (not that rocket science is real or anything)

[Hugo de Naranja]

Because a high percentage of them have been popped and never looked the same after the recent testing. Bigfoot, Erik Silva, Vitor, Barao, Anderson Silva, Romero, and I'm sure there's a handful of others but I'm too high to think of them right now but the point is that when you get popped for TRT or juice you usually come back shitty. It's not rocket science (not that rocket science is real or anything)

Romero not Brazilian bro. He is from Cuba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoel_Romero

[Hugo de Naranja]

He's also got FIVE round 3 finishes. That's an absurd amount of 3rd round finishes and I imagine has to be a UFC record. Given the stats, I can't imagine that to be luck or flukey, and more indicative of Yoel having a KO power reserve and/or being good at getting down his opponent's timing.

He is 40 now. Will be interesting to see how long that athleticism holds. Romero is great at observing opponents habits and catching them when they make a mistake.

[firekillex]

He is 40 now. Will be interesting to see how long that athleticism holds. Romero is great at observing opponents habits and catching them when they make a mistake.

some guys are just naturally beast, people yell steroids any time somebody is jacked its kinda lame.. of course many people are juicing but then you see guys who look overweight in frank mir, josh barnett but then you see francis ngannou and hes all natural, its all about genes really... Black people and Cubans are naturally jacked as bad as it sounds, i have a buddy his parents are from jamaica and trinidad tobango guy has been jacked his entire life , never workouts out and eats like shit... its just the way it is sometimes... Yoel Romero is just a freak specimen / athlete.. but at 40 years old hes definitely going to start declining , explosion is the first thing thatll start going and his reflexes just like anderson silva in a different light he was explosive but in a more technical way... Whittaker hitting his prime and with momentum its his fight imo, hes going to show his striking and speed advantage here , he may get taken down but hell pop back up and Romero cannot keep a high pace for 15+ minutes due to his body type its physically impossible basically

[Hugo de Naranja]

some guys are just naturally beast, people yell steroids any time somebody is jacked its kinda lame.. of course many people are juicing but then you see guys who look overweight in frank mir, josh barnett but then you see francis ngannou and hes all natural, its all about genes really... Black people and Cubans are naturally jacked as bad as it sounds, i have a buddy his parents are from jamaica and trinidad tobango guy has been jacked his entire life , never workouts out and eats like shit... its just the way it is sometimes... Yoel Romero is just a freak specimen / athlete.. but at 40 years old hes definitely going to start declining , explosion is the first thing thatll start going and his reflexes just like anderson silva in a different light he was explosive but in a more technical way... Whittaker hitting his prime and with momentum its his fight imo, hes going to show his striking and speed advantage here , he may get taken down but hell pop back up and Romero cannot keep a high pace for 15+ minutes due to his body type its physically impossible basically

Agree with basically everything you said here fire. Next post!

[Demonata]

I hope they get a damn replacement fight for the main card for the cerrone fight that was cancelled. I'm guessing they probably wont?

[Hugo de Naranja]

I hope they get a damn replacement fight for the main card for the cerrone fight that was cancelled. I'm guessing they probably wont?

Doubtful at this point since the card is less than two weeks away

[firekillex]

still like 213. hope they move jordan mein up

214 fingers crossed is gonna be amazing as well

[NUTSonYAchin]

some guys are just naturally beast, people yell steroids any time somebody is jacked its kinda lame.. of course many people are juicing but then you see guys who look overweight in frank mir, josh barnett but then you see francis ngannou and hes all natural, its all about genes really... Black people and Cubans are naturally jacked as bad as it sounds, i have a buddy his parents are from jamaica and trinidad tobango guy has been jacked his entire life , never workouts out and eats like shit... its just the way it is sometimes... Yoel Romero is just a freak specimen / athlete.. but at 40 years old hes definitely going to start declining , explosion is the first thing thatll start going and his reflexes just like anderson silva in a different light he was explosive but in a more technical way... Whittaker hitting his prime and with momentum its his fight imo, hes going to show his striking and speed advantage here , he may get taken down but hell pop back up and Romero cannot keep a high pace for 15+ minutes due to his body type its physically impossible basically

so now I'm racist against Brazilians because you're unaware of this? Funny world we live in

https://www.mmafighting.com/2016/4/4/11364368/yoel-romero-gets-six-month-suspension-from-usada-for-failing-drug

[NUTSonYAchin]

still like 213. hope they move jordan mein up

214 fingers crossed is gonna be amazing as well

I'll be in the bathroom at Honda Center taking lines and smoking joints as Buffer is announcing the names

[GunShard]

At 15:33 of this Romero vs Weidman fight at .25 speed.
Weidman was attempting takedowns during the entire fight. Romero noticed this pattern. Weidman started to flinch to attempt takedown, Romero flinch preparing to defend it, then Romero flinch quickly into a flying knee and Weidman attempted a takedown at that moment. Romero has a very high fight IQ.