UFC 213: Nunes vs. Shevchenko (July 08, 2017)

**Demonata** · 06-28-17, 10:52 PM

Lol I don't think maia is going to win. Especially with what I saw from his last fight. I wish he would. If he had better takedowns he would have a chance. I thought wonderboy would beat Woodley though. Maia I don't see winning at all unfortunately since I like watching his jiu jitsu. I'm probably going to have to bet with head which screams woodley instead of heart that says maia.

**rsynweap84** · 06-28-17, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Lol I don't think maia is going to win. Especially with what I saw from his last fight. I wish he would. If he had better takedowns he would have a chance. I thought wonderboy would beat Woodley though. Maia I don't see winning at all unfortunately since I like watching his jiu jitsu. I'm probably going to have to bet with head which screams woodley instead of heart that says maia.

I know same here, if only he could get him down be a super live dog, Maia has avoided alot of punishment, still dunno if he a oided enough to take a T-Wood super punch tho

**Demonata** · 06-28-17, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by rsynweap84

I know same here, if only he could get him down be a super live dog, Maia has avoided alot of punishment, still dunno if he a oided enough to take a T-Wood super punch tho

I'm interested in seeing what the line os going to open at? I'm thinking woodley -150.

**JIBBBY** · 06-28-17, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Lol I don't think maia is going to win. Especially with what I saw from his last fight. I wish he would. If he had better takedowns he would have a chance. I thought wonderboy would beat Woodley though. Maia I don't see winning at all unfortunately since I like watching his jiu jitsu. I'm probably going to have to bet with head which screams woodley instead of heart that says maia.

Maia has some of the best take downs in MMA when he's fresh and not gassed.. He's very good at those singles and working for take downs when he can press fighters against the cage.. Maia takes down everyone he fights in recent years.. Woodley is a different beast though..

Maia finds ways to get his fights to the ground.. Singles, doubles, trips, even pulling guard...

**JIBBBY** · 06-28-17, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I'm interested in seeing what the line os going to open at? I'm thinking woodley -150.

I'm thinking Woodley -250 myself... We'll see?

**firekillex** · 06-28-17, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I'm thinking Woodley -250 myself... We'll see?

cant see woodley being over -200

i think -160 range imo

**rsynweap84** · 06-28-17, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I'm interested in seeing what the line os going to open at? I'm thinking woodley -150.

That'd be nice if the bookies did it, i'll take big at anything at or below -175 think they'll him over -200 tho

**Demonata** · 06-28-17, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Maia has some of the best take downs in MMA when he's fresh and not gassed.. He's very good at those singles and working for take downs when he can press fighters against the cage.. Maia takes down everyone he fights in recent years.. Woodley is a different beast though..

Maia finds ways to get his fights to the ground.. Singles, doubles, trips, even pulling guard...

My bad I.meant faster takedowns. I think Woodley is too damn fast and will slip away at will causing maia to gas.

**rsynweap84** · 06-28-17, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Maia has some of the best take downs in MMA when he's fresh and not gassed.. He's very good at those singles and working for take downs when he can press fighters against the cage.. Maia takes down everyone he fights in recent years.. Woodley is a different beast though..

Maia finds ways to get his fights to the ground.. Singles, doubles, trips, even pulling guard...

Oh i never said he doesn't get em down but some of his TDs have been pretty awful as i said some are worthy of that ugliest td award, and one of those against woodley ends up with grey matter all over le octagon.

i would say that twood can gas, unfortunately so can maia, although i like gassed out maia over gassed out woodley, not the ideal situation to bet on.

Twood just so strong against Maia overall imo curious to see them dog odds tho...and I'm a sucker for dogs...

be very surprised if maia can get him down

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 12:20 AM

^^ Well I'll keep it simple, in seven straight DM wins Laflare was probably the best wrestler he faced with the best take down defense and he won and took down Laflare..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Demian-Maia-14637

Before that Jake Shields in a fight Maia lost by decision in which he struggled mightily to get the take downs (4 years ago).. So now he faces maybe the best wrestler and quickest fighter he has ever faced at the age of 40..

I don't like Maia's chances at all in this one... To get another title shot at his age now is a victory in itself though..

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 02:04 AM

Anyone know the last time Pettis KO'ed someone?

**rsynweap84** · 06-29-17, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

^^ Well I'll keep it simple, in seven straight DM wins Laflare was probably the best wrestler he faced with the best take down defense and he won and took down Laflare..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Demian-Maia-14637

Before that Jake Shields in a fight Maia lost by decision in which he struggled mightily to get the take downs (4 years ago).. So now he faces maybe the best wrestler and quickest fighter he has ever faced at the age of 40..

I don't like Maia's chances at all in this one... To get another title shot at his age now is a victory in itself though..

You know Jibbs I see where ya coming from, and to agree bout Twood...but the more I think on it...I got a question for ya?

If Maia doesn't win is he done? I mean ppls already talked bout his retirement...

I look at this match up and say yep Maia a dead sum'bitch...Twood gonna cave his face in...

Then I think about what Maia has been saying while on this win streak...I mean look how long this title shot has been in coming...horrible reason to bet but if he wants it, this is a chance, might be at 39 but if not now, how old will he be at his next one? I definitely wanna cover Maia...seems like a damn impossible fight to win short of a miracle tho...

**parlayin** · 06-29-17, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Anyone know the last time Pettis KO'ed someone?

Yeah, been a while. Jan 2013 when he caught Cowboy with that body kick

**Demonata** · 06-29-17, 09:48 AM

Will pettis be the favorite?

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by rsynweap84

You know Jibbs I see where ya coming from, and to agree bout Twood...but the more I think on it...I got a question for ya?

If Maia doesn't win is he done? I mean ppls already talked bout his retirement...

I look at this match up and say yep Maia a dead sum'bitch...Twood gonna cave his face in...

Then I think about what Maia has been saying while on this win streak...I mean look how long this title shot has been in coming...horrible reason to bet but if he wants it, this is a chance, might be at 39 but if not now, how old will he be at his next one? I definitely wanna cover Maia...seems like a damn impossible fight to win short of a miracle tho...

If and probably when he gets his ass handed to him by Twood I do think he will retire.. How much more fight is in him at 40 years of age is the question, not much is my best guess..

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Anyone know the last time Pettis KO'ed someone?

Jim Miller is very difficult to KO.. He's only been KO'd once in 37 pro fights. I'm leaning Pettis by decision myself as a first thought.. Jim Miller has gone to decision in his last 3 fights.http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jim-Miller-14463

Pettis has lost 3 of 4 but was facing the best in the division.. Miller is a step down now in competition.. This is a fight Pettis could win but Jim Miller is always game and is as tough as nails.....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Anthony-Pettis-26627

**turbozed** · 06-29-17, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Demonata

Will pettis be the favorite?

I really hope he will be. Until Pettis figures out what his game is, (post-Lyme-disease) Miller at underdog money is a snap call for me.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by turbozed

I really hope he will be. Until Pettis figures out what his game is, (post-Lyme-disease) Miller at underdog money is a snap call for me.

Pettis has so many flaws that he often needs a finish to win. Look at his fights with Gil Melendez. He got beat handily earlier before snatching up a sub. Pettis has bad footwork, can be outwrestled, can be outstruck on the feet, can be finished or injured in fights. I think his accomplishments are very overrated and he just had some fortunate matchups and opportune finishes, a la Chris Weidman.

**Demonata** · 06-29-17, 05:55 PM

I hate how much of a favorite Whittaker is becoming. Depending on the line I might end up taking romero now...

**firekillex** · 06-29-17, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

I hate how much of a favorite Whittaker is becoming. Depending on the line I might end up taking romero now...

That's why you gotta jump on Whittaker +100 right when it came out amigo

**Demonata** · 06-29-17, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

That's why you gotta jump on Whittaker +100 right when it came out amigo

Yeah can't though because I'm betting it at the sportsbook in wendover on the day of the event. Not betting it online this time

if whittaker is a big favorite im.going to take romero

**firekillex** · 06-29-17, 06:14 PM

At -140 now anything under -160 I like him.. sucks the odds are going up so high though
glad I got my bet in early... but I think this stylistic matchup is big for him especially 5 rounds is key

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

That's why you gotta jump on Whittaker +100 right when it came out amigo

Smart man, I still haven't placed yet myself..

I'm now hoping the line re-adjusts... I'm waiting it out til after weigh ins.....

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

That's why you gotta jump on Whittaker +100 right when it came out amigo

Took Whittaker for 5u at the opening price

**Demonata** · 06-29-17, 07:22 PM

Romero screwed me over bad when I took weidman to beat him.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Romero screwed me over bad when I took weidman to beat him.

I think that fight was actually the most I've ever won on a single bout. Had Romero SNA, KO, and R3 big. Weidman was always overrated and is now pretty shot. Gastelum will wreck him

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 08:59 PM

^ I thought Weidman was on the decline, losing fights and I also bet Romero and won.. Little different scenario with Whittiker here. Whittiker is a rising star right now.. He just beat one animal in Jacare and facing another now...

Romero is a beast early on, gasses fast then pulls tricks and becomes a dirty fighter.. Has a strong belief in God so you can never discount that in a fighter.. He believes God has his back so no fear..

Bottom line though Romero is 40 years old now and on an 8 fight win streak.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Yoel-Romero-60762

I give Romero a chance at the KO win since he has 10 wins by KO in 13 fights, probably will happen early on when he is fresh..

Whittiker by KO I think is the call though on the flip and maybe late in the fight..

Remember Romero is still very explosive and powerful, he has knocked out tough fighters in recent years.. Here are a few.. Dude is explosive once he gets you hurt..

**JIBBBY** · 06-29-17, 09:00 PM

One more we all remember recently...

**NUTSonYAchin** · 06-29-17, 09:04 PM

if anyone can explain to me how Werdum wins this fight let me know...I understand he's a great fighter and probably overall a better matchup vs other fighters than Overeem but with Overeem's new run n gun Chuck Liddell strategy I can't see him losing. Werdum's only hope is to land leg kicks and pepper him with jabs. He won't take him down and Overeem should counter him pretty effectively...thoughts?

P.S. I know what happened in the first fight...Overeem laid on him for 3 rounds because Werdum kept flopping to his back but Overeem basically got outstruck

**Demonata** · 06-29-17, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

I think that fight was actually the most I've ever won on a single bout. Had Romero SNA, KO, and R3 big. Weidman was always overrated and is now pretty shot. Gastelum will wreck him

Romero was lucky to win that fight because weidman was dominating him.

**NUTSonYAchin** · 06-29-17, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Romero screwed me over bad when I took weidman to beat him.

With all due respect, I consider you to be sharper than me overall, but I can't respect that play. Romero was obvious on so many levels in that one...

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Romero was lucky to win that fight because weidman was dominating him.

Not at all. Weidman won the first round. Romero won the second. Weidman was gassed and got caught.

**NUTSonYAchin** · 06-29-17, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Demonata

Romero was lucky to win that fight because weidman was dominating him.

**firekillex** · 06-29-17, 09:09 PM

imo weiman couldve won that decision easily if he didnt shoot that ill advised takedown, it was 1 round a piece and the 3rd round was slightly favoring romero before the knee
romero is super explosive but overrated imo

**Hugo de Naranja** · 06-29-17, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by firekillex

imo weiman couldve won that decision easily if he didnt shoot that ill advised takedown, it was 1 round a piece and the 3rd round was slightly favoring romero before the knee
romero is super explosive but overrated imo

That's a fair assessment. Romero is super dynamic and a great knockout artist but he's not a very consistent roundwinner. Think he needs a KO here to win.