UFC on FX 8: Mighty Mouse vs Moraga (7-27-13)

**Demonata** · 07-27-13, 12:36 AM

Chiesa is good value imo with how he fights and how good he is at submissions.

MD · 07-27-13, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Luckily it's MMA and technically shitty striking is par for the course.

I mean, put a technically shitty striker with the world's biggest power in there against Mayweather. Line is -1000 Mayweather.

Sort of. The standard of striking in MMA is pretty low compared to other contact sports, but it's not as low as people think it is. Striking in MMA emphasises different elements than, say, kickboxing. Certain things are more or less important. If you know what to look for, you'll find some surprisingly brilliant strikers in MMA. Like Weidman.

**sideloaded** · 07-27-13, 02:07 AM

lol, look at dem fake titties. Cant wait to see Miesha on bangbros.com in a couple years after this mma thing doesnt work out

**Imsmarterthanu** · 07-27-13, 02:22 AM

**sideloaded** · 07-27-13, 02:33 AM

**mmaed** · 07-27-13, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by MD

You keep saying this. What does that have to do with anything? If you go into a restaurant and order a steak, and you get served a porkchop, what do you say then? "You can still eat it"? "Still has nutrients"? Ellenberger's striking looks "technically shitty" because he's a technically shitty striker.

It means something.

**mirinquads** · 07-27-13, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

lol

A manlet and a womanlet, they should have a baby. Would probably be the next pinweight champ once ufc figures it will be a good idea to include taht weightclass. And that you arent a real fan if you dont enjoy pinweight fights.

**mmaed** · 07-27-13, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

Im sure her ass is photoshopped but it still looks good.

**mirinquads** · 07-27-13, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by MD

You keep saying this. What does that have to do with anything? If you go into a restaurant and order a steak, and you get served a porkchop, what do you say then? "You can still eat it"? "Still has nutrients"? Ellenberger's striking looks "technically shitty" because he's a technically shitty striker.

Technique is overrated in a sport where there is so many variables, mainly the groundgame. Look at Vitor, is he a great boxer? Certainly not, but he knows how to set traps with his striking, and is an athletic monster, much like Ellenberger. Would either of them do good in boxing / kickboxing.. Probably not, but this is a different game. I expect Ellenberger to use his offensive wrestling to open Rory up even more for strikes. And there is certainly technical striking gems in the UFC, a lot of them in the Lightweigh divison, but the over all level is pretty damn poor.
All that said, Rory probably gets the win, but can't play him at those odds. And whoever capped him at -450, lets not get crazy here.. If it was pure striking sure, but it aint.

**Sato** · 07-27-13, 09:01 AM

Rich Franklin made me a happy man when he killed Liddell back in Canada. Ill be an even happier man if same happens to lovely Tate...Ill forever love that lady who gets the job done...

**BIGDAY** · 07-27-13, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Technique is overrated in a sport where there is so many variables, mainly the groundgame. Look at Vitor, is he a great boxer? Certainly not, but he knows how to set traps with his striking, and is an athletic monster, much like Ellenberger. Would either of them do good in boxing / kickboxing.. Probably not, but this is a different game. I expect Ellenberger to use his offensive wrestling to open Rory up even more for strikes. And there is certainly technical striking gems in the UFC, a lot of them in the Lightweigh divison, but the over all level is pretty damn poor.
All that said, Rory probably gets the win, but can't play him at those odds. And whoever capped him at -450, lets not get crazy here.. If it was pure striking sure, but it aint.

I think Rory gets tested as well. I see a lot closer fight as well.

**mirinquads** · 07-27-13, 09:05 AM

And Julie Kedzie was looking mighty cute at the weighins, even if she's blond which is a shame.

And Meisha could put me in a D'arce choke any time, shame he's with that little beta manlet Caraway. If youre reading this Meisha, let's train some jitz one of these days.

**BIGDAY** · 07-27-13, 09:05 AM

I think we're in for a great night of fights fellas!

**BIGDAY** · 07-27-13, 09:06 AM

Oh, and cash those bets!!!

**mirinquads** · 07-27-13, 09:15 AM

This amount of smileys from the big one can only mean he speaks the truth, lets do this!!

Oh and Jessica Andrade legs.. All i can say is Mirin' mofuggin' Quads..

**brooks85** · 07-27-13, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Sato

Rich Franklin made me a happy man when he killed Liddell back in Canada. Ill be an even happier man if same happens to lovely Tate...Ill forever love that lady who gets the job done...

yeah that was a lucky win considering the fight was about to be called after round 1. We got lucky on that, as matter of fact, I had a few calls go my way that night except barry losing to cc lol

franklin over liddel
condit over mcdonald
wiman over danzig (rematch vindicated this one)

**PaperTrail07** · 07-27-13, 11:22 AM

LOLOLOLOLOL no way that's fuckkn hilarious

Originally posted by sideloaded

masvidal is just very un professional. In the Hustle Show he was eating at hooters the day before weigh ins.

**brooks85** · 07-27-13, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by MD

Sort of. The standard of striking in MMA is pretty low compared to other contact sports, but it's not as low as people think it is. Striking in MMA emphasises different elements than, say, kickboxing. Certain things are more or less important. If you know what to look for, you'll find some surprisingly brilliant strikers in MMA. Like Weidman.

lol you funny guy

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-27-13, 12:58 PM

Got lots of action plays on this one... Quite a bit tied up in Guillard (and Guillard by KO/TKO), Rory and de Randamie.

Lots of degen parlays and shit too. I get the impression Guillard is focused for this one. He better not go and get all Pat Barry (mentally) on me...

Just watched weigh-ins and heard that bit about Rory wanting to be a fashion model... tempted to sprinkle some on Ellenberger KOTN now, lol.

Think Lawler Voelker FOTN +950 worth a flier -- could get an ugly bar room brawl that the fans like. Or it could end quick. Relative to the rest of the fights, I just like the +950 on that one.

**Mr Handicapable** · 07-27-13, 01:27 PM

I have Masvidal 1.5 units to win inside 3 (+150)
4 units to win by decision (+150)

Gamebred is just too big at 155 to get submitted imo and too big of a step up for Chielsa. Jorge has always been kind of underrated in my book....but I'm still a little surprised he's -280 here?

**NunyaBidness** · 07-27-13, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

I have Masvidal 1.5 units to win inside 3 (+150)
4 units to win by decision (+150)

Gamebred is just too big at 155 to get submitted imo and too big of a step up for Chielsa. Jorge has always been kind of underrated in my book....but I'm still a little surprised he's -280 here?

So that's why you bet him at -400?

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-27-13, 01:42 PM

He wins 4.5 units I by decision
loses 1.75 if itd
??? Is my math right

**NunyaBidness** · 07-27-13, 01:46 PM

How much does he lose if Chiesa wins?

**Noleafclover** · 07-27-13, 02:10 PM

Everyfing he has

**Mr Handicapable** · 07-27-13, 02:16 PM

I lose 1.75 units if Masvidal stops him but +4.5 units if Jorge beats him in a decision which is what I expect. Chelsea seems like he wins with his length but Masvidal is tall too. I'm more worried about Masvidal putting him into sleepytown or a submission but its mma so you never know.

**DSSCA** · 07-27-13, 02:31 PM

I really didn't like the way Masvidal carried himself at the weigh ins and also missing weight. As much as I dislike Chiesa and have been on Masvidal from the beginning, I'm arbing out and taking Chiesa and fight not to go distance. Most of my money is tied up in Johnson and now adding Germaine, Lawler ITD and Herman by dec. BOL to everyone.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-27-13, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

I lose 1.75 units if Masvidal stops him but +4.5 units if Jorge beats him in a decision which is what I expect. Chelsea seems like he wins with his length but Masvidal is tall too. I'm more worried about Masvidal putting him into sleepytown or a submission but its mma so you never know.

You played Masvidal at -400. You should've just played him straight up.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-27-13, 03:02 PM

Here we go

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-27-13, 03:10 PM

Albert is brutal

**DSSCA** · 07-27-13, 03:11 PM

That triangle took everything out of ALbert. Tough way to go out.

**Grabaka** · 07-27-13, 03:11 PM

Yeeee Mezaaaaa

**Das Jax** · 07-27-13, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Albert is brutal

Correction... WAS brutal. He gassed out hardcore.

**DSSCA** · 07-27-13, 03:12 PM

The weight cut just may have been too much for him. He's a HUGE 135. Gassed badly.

**mmaed** · 07-27-13, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by DSSCA

I really didn't like the way Masvidal carried himself at the weigh ins and also missing weight. As much as I dislike Chiesa and have been on Masvidal from the beginning, I'm arbing out and taking Chiesa and fight not to go distance. Most of my money is tied up in Johnson and now adding Germaine, Lawler ITD and Herman by dec. BOL to everyone.

What did he do at the weigh ins that bothered you?

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-27-13, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Das Jax

Correction... WAS brutal. He gassed out hardcore.

yea, him gassing was what made him brutal