John Morrison 2011 MLB

[h00dini]

So where are all those people who acted as I should be hung for simply saying that what they were following are just single picks bunched together in a chase format- and that they should be careful of a "system" that they can not back test and therefore have no real risk management because they did not know the next play? Where are ya all? In fact I think Bugs Bunny or Wilba or someone even said they where laughing at me- bwaaahaaa or something to that effect. Hell a couple even called me a dumb ass. Where are you my friends?

I always agreed with you and me and walco got into a little scrap ourselves.

[manutd19]

If you want a larger bank roll and have a winning record do what I did. It's harder in the states but I managed money on the side when I was trading with sports bets. It does take time but if you take your time it can work. Create a website (if you don't know how go to intuit.com and look at their free website offer for 30 days. If you have content then it takes a day to create. And they give you a email with your domain name. Picks at least the $19 package. They will not bill you until after the first month and you can cancel). Put together some marketing stuff for email. Put your record on your site explaining what kind of return to expect. Advertise on craigslist. I'd go to the library, starbucks etc and create email accounts then post 2 ads on craigs list per location (craigslist blocks an account if you advertise from the same IP more then 3 times but I always did 2 to make sure.) They will get flagged but stay for some time. Advertise in the Financial Services Section. Google on other ways to get around craigs list barriers like you can't post the same ad twice. I got around this by creating an image then copying it and giving each one a different number so when I posted Craigs computers thought it was a different ad. Things have changed so google other ideas on getting around the walls. Put google analytics into your site to track traffic (free). For every 100 views one will sign up- period. You can sell systems or offer to manage money. The management part is difficult because of the trust issue but you can find people. Or just ask for $100 a week for daily picks and flip a coin/ or use JM C bet or whatever system bets are going. Create a pick service. Have them pay through paypal. There's extra cash for betting!

please can you help me out with marketing stuff and how the website looks like

[h00dini]

This is after the fact, but it was a 15 on Mavs +4.5, 4 on Mavs OVer and 4 on Nats ML and 4.

No sorry, you misunderstood. Not the plays, what's SSS?

[peeiempee]

please can you help me out with marketing stuff and how the website looks like

Damn bro, PM him or something...

[honeyeater]

please can you help me out with marketing stuff and how the website looks like

Are you serious? I just gave you the basic foundation. Google stuff. Did you even go to intuit? How the web site looks? Here's a hint- go to other betting websites and do exactly what they did. Hell steal their content. Sir you have to show a little effort. Email a gambling website and ask for info- or a financial site and basically just copy what they send you. I doubt you'll be able to do any of this due to this question you just asked me. You have to make your own money.

[thelimit0310]

Would like to hear how Wallco feels after all this, what his take is on the situation. I will say that these losses really does prove the systems durability.

Hope none of you are hurting too bad, we'll pull through. Here's to a better season from this point forward

[honeyeater]

HAHAHA

Honeyeater is so jealous of Wallco because Wallco's system is going well and winning units! Honeyeaters reasoning for why Wallco's system is crap: "because I don't know the rules"

I bet honeyeater just blew his whole bank on some stupid -200 odds chase so now he comes in here to vent at someone because he was too stupid to come up with a system which actually worked

Honeyeater - just know that everyone here is laughing at you.

Like this: "BAAAA AHAHAHAHA!!!"

ps Honeyeater you dumbass in your above post you contradict yourself.
1st: you say that Wallco's system is a joke and that it is not a winning system.
then 2nd: you say that Wallco is a dumbass for selling his winning system.

So which one is it ?? How could he be a dumbass for selling a winning system that you claim is NOT a winning system

Can you hear everyone laughing at you?

Sorry for this- I know this thread is so clogged as it is. So this is my last "vengeance" post. But here is the guy who was so torn up about things I said about wallco (not him mind you but a complete stranger). It's wilba, bugs bunny was there to.
So wilba are you still laughing, right now, as I type this? Was I wrong or right? Where you wrong or right? Are you still laughing- is everyone laughing now? as you say they were before?
That's all.

[lawalahmed]

Walco get this, i'm not here to bring you down and i'm not here to ridicule your system but the truth must be told.....

This is a forum and we are all here to share idea, i'm not saying your system is not good but you are not ready to listen to advice...
Remember it only take you few weeks to come up with this idea all becos everybody here clamouring you to give them system since you come up with gold system in N.B.A.....

May be you need more time to check this system to eliminate consecutive loses....

Series lost is accepted but 4 series lost under 7 days is unaccepted....

I'm very sorry for calling your system failure but the system is still far from calling a reliable system.....

You are really genius to come up with this brilliant idea within few days and bold enough to give it to public............

.....I'm your friend not your enemy....

[thelimit0310]

Sorry for this- I know this thread is so clogged as it is. So this is my last "vengeance" post. But here is the guy who was so torn up about things I said about wallco (not him mind you but a complete stranger). It's wilba, bugs bunny was there to.
So wilba are you still laughing, right now, as I type this? Was I wrong or right? Where you wrong or right? Are you still laughing- is everyone laughing now? as you say they were before?
That's all.

Not to spur this on or anything, but there have been other systems that this has happened to. We aren't the first and we aren't the last. Many systems have bad weeks. Hell, the system since day 1 is still UP! I don't see why some people in this thread have it out for Wallco's blood. Why the hating? Ever since the beginning he was straight-forward with his unit count. Besides he isn't forcing anyone to play his system. He's just posting the picks and people who want to play them do so. That's all it's ever been since the beginning. I will most likely adjust my labby slightly and will keep playing Wallco's system, If I was going to let 1 bad week deter me I wouldn't have gotten into this business.

[quetu4]

Give the man a break! We knew all along the rules weren't out there and while winning we didn't even care for them, we just wanted to get them picks. I beleive no one was forced to follow the system, so why bash on him now? Bail out or keep playing under your own risk ... as it's been laid since day 1

Damn Padres, that was a tough one

[honeyeater]

Not to spur this on or anything, but there have been other systems that this has happened to. We aren't the first and we aren't the last. Many systems have bad weeks. Hell, the system since day 1 is still UP! I don't see why some people in this thread have it out for Wallco's blood. Why the hating? Ever since the beginning he was straight-forward with his unit count. Besides he isn't forcing anyone to play his system. He's just posting the picks and people who want to play them do so. That's all it's ever been since the beginning. I will most likely adjust my labby slightly and will keep playing Wallco's system, If I was going to let 1 bad week deter me I wouldn't have gotten into this business.

I understand- all I said was be careful of single picks- or a system where you no nothing. Wallco and I got into it- fine that's between us. My issue was these guys attacking me for my opinion. That's all. It's not about the system (I don't trust it but if you do great- system integrity as a system has not lost and JM has a loss but never 4 in a row- don't get mad just saying)it's about these people who hide behind a computer. Remember I was just stating MY OPINION- that's all. Thank for the feedback.

[jphil]

jm mlb

It's true. More action = more losses. At least in my experience so far in sports betting. The bookies/bookmakers want you to keep playing. Because they know eventually you'll lose. We all would love to get rich overnight. But it just doesn't happen that way. You have to be selective and patient. Wait for system plays/other situations to come to you. Don't try to force action everyday.

Ditto!! Perfect ex. w/ minn. tonight. Even IF ya did play Minn. tonight, ya could come out w/ 2 wins in a 4 gm./ v3 series. What did playin' KC get ya? Hagball's stats & only Hagball's stats tell the true jm stats so far, w/ plenty more season to go of course. JM players, go by the sys. & don't elaborate.

[thelimit0310]

I understand- all I said was be careful of single picks- or a system where you no nothing. Wallco and I got into it- fine that's between us. My issue was these guys attacking me for my opinion. That's all. It's not about the system (I don't trust it but if you do great- system integrity as a system has not lost and JM has a loss but never 4 in a row- don't get mad just saying)it's about these people who hide behind a computer. Remember I was just stating MY OPINION- that's all. Thank for the feedback.

To be honest I would have loved to run system integrity but I got a little confused when it came to how to bet -1RL. You run the last 2 games in the chase too right?

[schenker88]

this is a long losing streak... its hard to believe but if a system is very hot it might happen with a good chance... doing witt labby thats not so hard for ur bankroll... lets go on wallco i wanna see how it goes next months! i think u can turn it around!

[xgame]

hey guys wallco hiding under the bed now.

[honeyeater]

To be honest I would have loved to run system integrity but I got a little confused when it came to how to bet -1RL. You run the last 2 games in the chase too right?

Yes- but I bet -1.5 TAB only does .5 on ALL SPORTS BETS- they don't like to push. You can still do it. It's as simple as water. Just like any good system should be. Whomever the OPENING FAVORITE is on PINNICLE SPORTS BOOK bet the RL on them. Done! Slap Shot has the past 5 years posted.

[jphil]

jm mlb

That is true. KC plays well at home and they were routed tonight. So I believe this also becomes a V2 play as well. We'll get it back

No V2 involved; unless you were only looking at it from the standpoint of the 3 or more pts. KC loss ( which isn't a problem either/ those "A" bet, 3 or more pt. losing tms. can tend to come back the next day w/ a WIN, regardless). Otherwise, Minn. had to have been the home team last night, & a v1 official gm. to begin with. It was unofficial.

If KC losses all of the next 3 gms., I'll relinquish my chair, & forever be at the mercy of a home health aide.

[J.M. Disciple]

as "thelimit" said we are still up $$$ with this system. For those of you who joined in too late, your probably mad because its like 8 straight losses in a row or 12 straight something like that. These streaks are common. Even Crusher had this streak in NBA this past season. At the end of the season though you are still up money.

Wallco posted all the season results over the past 5 years and it averages about 100 units per season. It requires a bigger bankroll obviously for stretches like this, but he was straight forward with his picks and units. Just have to ride out the variance and most of you are upset because you are chasing.

I learned my lesson from it. Not to say it doesn't work, but it is way less stressful when you are doing the labby method. When we did the JM NBA forum, we discussed the amount of units the Labby would be up compared to standard chase. In the end it came out about the same, but at certain parts in the season the labby was behind a little bit or ahead a little bit over the chase method.

Sports betting systems are a tough grind in general. Just like in poker. Even in poker the best players, even with proper money management are known to lose 50% of your their bankroll at times. That is just how variance is at times.

Just ride it out guys and keep your head held high.

[J.M. Disciple]

I came across some interesting stats on this one site, well at least one interesting stat that I will try to develop a system using the labby method similar to Wallco's system that should turn a profit. I need to collect some more stats on it, but ill share with you now what ill be testing.

Basically betting ML favorites as well as -1.5 run line, so you are getting +Odds over all. One site i came across had a stat that the ML favorites only win by 1 run 30% of the time.

That does not mean you have 70% win. What that means is with your bets that you win roughly (55%) 70% of them (38 out of 55) will help knock off more then 1#. Ill post the results of the games i test tomorrow or really late tonight.

Keep your head up and ride the systems out. I went 1-9 with my systems today, but i still have smile on my face cause i know end of the season my bankroll will be atleast doubled. Just think long term and keep making +EV decisions and it will all work out.

[Fede_Gu]

as "thelimit" said we are still up $$$ with this system. For those of you who joined in too late, your probably mad because its like 8 straight losses in a row or 12 straight something like that.

The system is up. Wallco's picks no. So everyone, maybe Wallco too, is down.
I know that losses are in the system etc etc etc. but I completely understand the frustration of everybody.

To everyone: please stop the moralism and the blablabla about systems, lossess and the "marathon" and of course no offenses to Wallco, who gave us picks for free. Nobody forced us to bet.
Profits are wiped out, yes, 4 (D) losses in 3 days are like dynamite, yes, but the worst thing we can do is to fight each other.
We've all to take a breath and to start a new era. Dont'let the thread become a chaos.

[Void 0]

there will be new A bet today, so don't worry just resize your bet and let's win!!

[jphil]

wall sys.

No complaints from me. I don't play the wall. sys. Oh, & good luck w/ stopping the yada yada about systems, etc.. And yes, nobody forced the bets upon ya's. The wall meister gave ya more than enough ample warnings. Ya can't make your decisions on his system anyways, till the end of Aug. So chill!!


(directed to poster 4609)

[pagodo]

Another tough loss, but still up on the year. Weird how two incredibly sloppy innings basically lost us the series, very, very tough, especially that we had consecutive losses now. That top 3rd yesterday was not as jaw-droppingly epic as the top 9th in Cubs game 2, but basically the same thing happened again, one dreadful, error-filled inning sinks the game for the team we root for.

I'm chasing, so I got hit hard, but rode it out. Now we should all be confident we've only got good times ahead, it's time for Wallco's hot streak starting this weekend

Congrats to everyone who played the Twins as an unofficial JM bet. This weekend we should all collect on KC and the White Sox!

thelimit, just caught up on the conversation in this thread, so you started to tail just before the losses happened, how about bad timing... Hope the labby softened the blow

[pagodo]

To everyone: please stop the moralism and the blablabla about systems, lossess and the "marathon" and of course no offenses to Wallco, who gave us picks for free. Nobody forced us to bet.
Profits are wiped out, yes, 4 (D) losses in 3 days are like dynamite, yes, but the worst thing we can do is to fight each other.
We've all to take a breath and to start a new era. Don't let the thread become a chaos.

Well put.

[jphil]

I'm gonna be honest, they have a warning that their plays cannot be posted. I want to get the most out of this free trial to evaluate if I want to get them for NBA season. So i am not posting them...Sorry as they look to be a golden goose right now. Like I said before jury is still out on them

Can your golden goose be pm'd? at least the filters?

[jphil]

sss bologna

This is after the fact, but it was a 15 on Mavs +4.5, 4 on Mavs OVer and 4 on Nats ML and 4.

Can ya at least please followup on a daily basis w/ your sss/mlb, after the fact results? Giving us a chance to possibly decode. Otherwise, there's no use in bringing it up again, is there?

[jphil]

PeePee: listen, no hurry on your responses. It happens to be bedtime anyways, & the woman thinks i'm havin' an online affair again. Also happens to be that time of the month again for us wrinkly old farts. Catch ya tomorrow bro.

[BigOrangeBrother]

The system is up. Wallco's picks no. So everyone, maybe Wallco too, is down.
I know that losses are in the system etc etc etc. but I completely understand the frustration of everybody.

To everyone: please stop the moralism and the blablabla about systems, lossess and the "marathon" and of course no offenses to Wallco, who gave us picks for free. Nobody forced us to bet.
Profits are wiped out, yes, 4 (D) losses in 3 days are like dynamite, yes, but the worst thing we can do is to fight each other.
We've all to take a breath and to start a new era. Dont'let the thread become a chaos.

Systems have their ups and downs.....it's just a fact. Wallco, hagball and others are kind enough to share their info with us. Too much bitching and griping could force them to stop posting all together.....then where would we all be. As for myself, I am willing and prepared to take the good with the bad.....as we all should.

[J.M. Disciple]

I tried to upload my back test. its an open office file from betting under dogs in may.

Basically i started with 1 unit per line running 4 labby lines based on first 2 AL games of the day and first 2 NL games of the day.

I replaced each cleared line with a unit until it got down to about the 24th, then lines started to get a little bigger, so i stopped replacing cleared lines with units and just balanced out the lines until they were all cleared. Towards the last couple of days I started doing just 1Al game and 1 NL game because i didn't have enough #s on my labby line to run 4 lines.

Conveniently all the lines cleared on the very last day perfectly.

Overall the record for underdogs were:
53 wins / 57 losses (48%) for the month of May based on the top 4 games (2AL 2NL)

Line cleared = 44

so $10 unit size would net $440 or a 44% increase to your bankroll after 1 month of MLB. Remember thats only betting first 4 games of the day using labby method.

I do not suggest adding units to cleared lines because the bets just keep getting bigger and bigger. Only add more units to the lines once you do not have enough #s for all the games of the day.

average and balance out the lines to clear as many as possible.

BTW. 48% win for underdogs is extremely high. I did some research and over the past 7 years its only suppose to win 42% of the time.

However, as i stated previously in this forum you can use this to bet Unders or overs because their win % is roughly 51/49

Hopefully this method can increase every ones bankroll.

[J.M. Disciple]

i'm going to be running this system with unders using 15 lines for this entire month. Yesterday went like 1-5, so hopefully today makes up for the losses.

[J.M. Disciple]

Are there any bets today?

JM: KC ML vs MIN?
Wallco's plu$$ ????

WALLCO DONT LET A FEW (actually a lot ) of bad apples spoil it for those who still want to follow your system.

[Wallco99]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 76-6
System profit/loss: +2.62 units (finished series)
Since my first post: -17.64 units (61-6) (fin. series)
Current open series: 0

(6/2/11) San Diego (M/L) (D) - Loss
(6/2/11) San Diego (-1½) (D) – Loss


(A) 41-41
(B) 18-23
(C) 10-13
(D) 7-6


Games for (6/3/11):
Chicago Cubs @ St. Louis (M/L) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
Chicago Cubs @ St. Louis (-1½) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
Oakland @ Boston (M/L) (A) *Official* (7:10 pm EDT)
Oakland @ Boston (-1½) (A) *Official* (7:10 pm EDT)
Detroit (M/L) @ Chicago White Sox (A) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)
Detroit (M/L) @ Chicago White Sox (A) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)

Detroit qualified under two different sets of criteria, they will be treated as two separate bets (both M/L). System will record two wins or losses for this series.


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

[Wallco99]

Are there any bets today?

JM: KC ML vs MIN?
Wallco's plu$$ ????

WALLCO DONT LET A FEW (actually a lot ) of bad apples spoil it for those who still want to follow your system.

I'm not. I know what it can do. 2005 started out worse than this.

[ross607]

Thank you for continuing to post the plays wallco

[J.M. Disciple]

Wallco MLB PLU$$$
2011 System to date: 76-6
System profit/loss: +2.62 units (finished series)
Since my first post: -17.64 units (61-6) (fin. series)
Current open series: 0

(6/2/11) Chicago Cubs (M/L) (D) - Loss
(6/2/11) Chicago Cubs (-1½) (D) – Loss


(A) 41-41
(B) 18-23
(C) 10-13
(D) 7-6


Games for (6/3/11):
Chicago Cubs @ St. Louis (M/L) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
Chicago Cubs @ St. Louis (-1½) (A) *Official* (8:15 pm EDT)
Oakland @ Boston (M/L) (A) *Official* (7:10 pm EDT)
Oakland @ Boston (-1½) (A) *Official* (7:10 pm EDT)
Detroit (M/L) @ Chicago White Sox (A) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)
Detroit (M/L) @ Chicago White Sox (A) *Official* (8:10 pm EDT)

Detroit qualified under two different sets of criteria, they will be treated as two separate bets (both M/L). System will record two wins or losses for this series.


** Do not place any wagers on teams unless the word “Official” appears next to the game. All lines and standings are based on final lines from ScoresandOdds.com. Some of the unofficial plays may change to the other team by game time. Official plays will not change. Keep checking for updated posts until all games are marked “official”. If your book is offering (+1½) on the (-1½) plays above, buy the alternate line for (-1½) on the team I have listed at (-1½), not the other team. NEVER PLAY (+1½) LINE ON ANY GAME IN THIS SYSTEM.
System backtest can be found in post #3446.

Did you mean to post Detroit m/l twice? or is it -1.5 and ml?