Would You Fail Citizenship Test? (Quiz)

[durito]

Go to Canada and wait in line for 12 hours for their free health care. Health care is high everywhere, including Canada, they just pay for it by overtaxing their citizens, we could jack up our tax rate to Great British levels and enjoy universal healthcare, but the govt of the US would rather let you keep a large percentage of your income to decide to spend however you choose.

US citizens pay one of the highest overall tax rates in the world. That we pay less than europe is just another myth perpetrated on people by politicians to scare them. The only people in the US that pay less tax than other developed countries is those that make over $750,000 a year. Much like the "12 hour line for free health care in canada". Neither is true.

My health care is cheaper and better in this "third world country". The people are way happier too.

It's a big world, check it out sometime.

[durito]

Oh, and the infrastructure in the US is crumbling. We need a massive investment project in it. The public transportation system is a joke compared to most places.

[bettilimbroke999]

Completely wrong, in fact in Canada they have a tax specifically designed to support their free healthcare and prescription drug plan, how do you think they pay for that by magic? Check out a tax scale sometime if you want to know the truth about how low US taxes are, we rank as one of the lowest tax rate countries in the world in virtually every category. Why do you think gas costs 10 bucks a gallon in Europe, b/c they tax it like 3 dollars a gallon

[durito]

My US tax bill this year will be over 100 times what it would be if I was a citizen of great britian instead.


I am obviously a unique situation.

Lowest in the world? Wealthy people down here don't pay taxes at all.

[bettilimbroke999]

No clue what you are talking about, we have the lowest tax rate in the world, check out a tax rate chart sometime, didn't even think you lived in the US why would your income be taxed here? Greatest possible tax rate in US if you were a billionaire would be 35%, not sure how that could be a 100x what GB is, I doubt their tax rate is .35%

[durito]

The US taxes it's citizens that live outside the US. No other country does this (i should note this has nothing to do with my argument).

You are looking just at federal income taxes. When you combine all taxes paid (state, sales, etc, etc.) you will find that the western nations (canada, us, europe) all have very similar tax rates for everyone but the very wealthy (who have the lowest by far in the USA).

Most rich people in the US can structure their income to lower their tax rate greatly. My father pays way less federal income tax than I do and he makes 5x as much money, all from investments.

[donjuan]

Bettil,

1. Please respond point-by-point to the points I made.

2. You don't seem to get that Russia is not part of the West.

3. Try paragraphs.

[bettilimbroke999]

Bettil,

1. Please respond point-by-point to the points I made.

2. You don't seem to get that Russia is not part of the West.

3. Try paragraphs.

Not interested enough to go point by point on your list b/c most just say yes you are right bettil but US is not unique in that respect. Truth is ppl dont sneak across the border to get into Mexico from the US but there's 100 Miguel's crawlin through the desert right now hoping to live through the 120 degree heat to get what you are criticizing, why don't you let them know how much better Mexico is

[durito]

Don't get me wrong, the US is (many parts of it) a great place to live. The economic opportunity there is incredible and I was lucky to be born there or else I wouldn't have had the opportunities to live my life the way I have (though it'd have been the same being born in an developed western country).

But, that's far from making the rest of the world a shit hole. The people in the US are the least happy people I've come across of the few places I've been. Isn't that whats most important?

[durito]

Not interested enough to go point by point on your list b/c most just say yes you are right bettil but US is not unique in that respect. Truth is ppl dont sneak across the border to get into Mexico from the US but there's 100 Miguel's crawlin through the desert right now hoping to live through the 120 degree heat to get what you are criticizing, why don't you let them know how much better Mexico is

As I said, they come for the economic opportunities that don't exist (for poor people) in their country. Though this is changing. For the first time ever income inequality in Latin American is decreasing, whereas in the US it's increasing at an alarming rate. This is what is (becoming was) great about the USA, anyone that is willing to work can get a job that will support themselves. This is why the anit-immigration bs that people come here for our "free gov't services" is a complete crock of shit. People come across that border to work. I knew plenty of Mexican immigrants in denver and most of them worked 2 40 hour a week jobs. None of them were living on welfare,etc.

I know tons of latin american immigrants to the US that love the country for the jobs they can work. I don't know a single one that wouldn't go home if they could get a similar paying job there (and many are, I know tons of people here that have comeback from the US recently).

Also, for every 1 person that migrates to the US from latin america, there are 99 that would rather stay home.

[donjuan]

Not interested enough to go point by point on your list b/c most just say yes you are right bettil but US is not unique in that respect. Truth is ppl dont sneak across the border to get into Mexico from the US but there's 100 Miguel's crawlin through the desert right now hoping to live through the 120 degree heat to get what you are criticizing, why don't you let them know how much better Mexico is

Because that's not my argument, you utter, utter thicko. Your argument was that the US is by far the best place to live in the world, no doubt about it, and called Australia and GB hellholes compared to the US. So comparing the US to Mexico is absurd. Next time you feel like embarrassing yourself, just click that "post reply" button.

[durito]

Many places in Mexico are great places to live if you have money (and i'm not talking a lot of money).

Not my favorite, but a good place nonetheless.

[McBa1n]

I got the presidential age question wrong (I had 40:/) and Totally bricked the chief justice question - I hate that I knew the answer and just didnt think, since I do follow their rulings when they meet pretty closely.

[Boner_18]

16/19

[durito]

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/08/0819_happiest_countries/9.htm

[flyingillini]

15/19

[daggerkobe]

19/19

[ryanXL977]

anybody who gets less than at leaswt 15-17 has problems
these aint tough questions

[JC]

19/19

It was very easy.

[bettilimbroke999]

Because that's not my argument, you utter, utter thicko. Your argument was that the US is by far the best place to live in the world, no doubt about it, and called Australia and GB hellholes compared to the US. So comparing the US to Mexico is absurd. Next time you feel like embarrassing yourself, just click that "post reply" button.

You have no argument whatsoever, that's the problem, like arguing with a 3 yr old. Your total argument is that drinking age should be lowered to 18 and that dangerous narcotics should be legalized , no doubt speakin from personal experience being convicted for crack possession given your intelligence level. Its simply hard to argue with a moron that presents those points as his argument for the "freedoms" the US suppresses. Next time you don't want to embarrass yourself, present your arguments to a 3 yr old who might agree with them if he's slow enough

[durito]

[donjuan]

You have no argument whatsoever, that's the problem, like arguing with a 3 yr old. Your total argument is that drinking age should be lowered to 18 and that dangerous narcotics should be legalized , no doubt speakin from personal experience with convictions for crack possession given your intelligence level

Do you need pictures to understand this argument? Let me be very clear about my argument:

1. The US is not particularly free compared to the rest of the West.
2. Australia is not a hellhole compared to the US.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to anything related to the world outside of the US as shown by me disproving you multiple times in this thread.

Clear now?

And no, I personally don't really care for drugs. I've tried a few, haven't really liked them compared to drinking and generally don't do them. That doesn't mean other people can't do them. Calling marijuana a "dangerous narcotic" is laughable when alcohol is legal.

[ryanXL977]

anyone who thinks western euriope or australia are hellholes aint been there
syndey is more like the usa than the usa. its basicaly chicago or sf in another country

these people who talk like the usa is the best country ever need to travel

the usa is the richest, but what do you mean the best? my dad can beat up your dad best?

[bettilimbroke999]

Not everyone who receives US citizenship is deserving, that is the sad truth. Donjuan should be forced to pay 10 bucks a gallon in Europe (half off that taxes) so he has to drive a moped to avoid going broke and watch fukin soccer all day (since that's the only sport they play), then tax his ass fukin 50% of any income he makes and charge him twice as much as the US does for everything he buys. Enjoy!

[durito]

I'd trade my US citizenship for many European countries tomorrow.

My tax burden would drop 90%. I know this because I've actually researched it myself rather than listen to what the tv tells me.

[smitch124]

Ah yes, the old you have many freedoms so shut up and be happy argument.

[donjuan]

Bettil,

Having traveled abroad, I fully intend to live abroad at least for a few years in the near future. I am happy and proud to be an American, but I am also not a brain-washed, culturally ignorant moron. I'll ask again since you keep avoiding this question:

Have you ever been outside of North America and the Caribbean?

P.S. I love rugby so I wouldn't mind having to watch French, British, Irish or Italian rugby all day.

[ryanXL977]

Bettil,

Having traveled abroad, I fully intend to live abroad at least for a few years in the near future. I am happy and proud to be an American, but I am also not a brain-washed, culturally ignorant moron. I'll ask again since you keep avoiding this question:

Have you ever been outside of North America and the Caribbean?

P.S. I love rugby so I wouldn't mind having to watch French, British, Irish or Italian rugby all day.

there arent many conservatives who have travelled abroad

i ask this:L what has consevratism brought to the world

[durito]

I'm watching ncaa football right now, even if 99% of the population here only watches soccer.

Down here in south america we have this thing called the tv and this other thing called a satellite dish. I probably get more games than most of you.

[donjuan]

Ryan,

You are right that Sydney is very similar to an American city. Same with Brisbane and the Gold Coast. Haven't been to Melbourne but I hear it's a bit more European-style.

As for conservatives traveling abroad, my dad has done a good amount of traveling abroad but he is essentially a right-leaning moderate rather than a true conservative. Most of my conservative friends have done very little travel abroad.

[bettilimbroke999]

Never traveled abroad and don't plan too, some old buildings and some crazy soccer fans don't really warrant me flying for 7 hours and spending thousands of dollars to go see, waste of time and money, I live in the best country on earth and wish to continue living here until they throw me in the dirt

[donjuan]

Never traveled abroad and don't plan too, some old buildings and some crazy soccer fans don't really warrant me flying for 7 hours and spending thousands of dollars to go see, waste of time and money, I live in the best country on earth and wish to continue living here until they throw me in the dirt

Classic. What makes you so confident you live in the best country on earth if you've never even been to another one?

[bettilimbroke999]

Classic. What makes you so confident you live in the best country on earth if you've never even been to another one?

I have no desire to see any other countries, the USA is run as perfectly as is possible on earth with the exception of perhaps excessive use of military force imo. I am not going to go to GB or Australia and be impressed by the "freedoms" they have just b/c kids can get wasted and drunk as young as they want. I dont feel like paying double the price for everything you buy and paying 10 bucks a gallon for gas and having the govt take half my income to support roughly the same wars that the US supports as GB and Austrailia are simply poor US copies anyway with some slight variations in culture and higher taxes from what I've read and heard. I am sure they would want an intelligent US citizen like myself to come to their country so that they could get my autograph and hear about the promised land but I do not plan to do so in the near future

[Kingctb27]

17/19. Missed the LA purchase and one other one.

Nice Quiz

[durito]

Never traveled abroad and don't plan too, some old buildings and some crazy soccer fans don't really warrant me flying for 7 hours and spending thousands of dollars to go see, waste of time and money, I live in the best country on earth and wish to continue living here until they throw me in the dirt

Do what you want, but don't call places you know nothing about a shithole.

I guess I'm different, but one of the things I love about the fact that I was born in the US was that it gave me the opportunity to travel and see the world. That passport is worth a million bucks. I have friends down here that would love to see the world, and even if they could afford it can't get a **** to go anywhere. The Colombian passports is worth about 12$.

It's a beautiful world out there, check it out sometime.