Countdown To The 7 Year Anniversary of 9/11

[englishmike]

Do you think the personal footage of private individuals was edited as well?

[Cloak & Dagger]

Tobe frank, yes, it's hard to entertain the ideas of some people when the people who were in the towers watched the thing unfold and didn't say the footage was tampered with yet you weren't there and say it was and then say you only post facts. Enjoy your vacation in Loch Ness this year.

do you know anyone that was there??

didnt think so

so what are you drawing your conclusions from???

what you seen on "live" tv correct???

make sure to renew your subscription to popular mechanics this month

[Cloak & Dagger]

Do you think the personal footage of private individuals was edited as well?

the naudet brothers??

LMFAO

just do some research.....then draw your own conclusions

think for yourself....I know that takes ALOT of effort for some people

[englishmike]

I didn't state that I only posted fact....you did.

[englishmike]

Why is that some people on this site say: 'Think for yourself ' to someone who disagrees with their warped views and then moan because that person is in fact.....wait for it......thinking for himself. Or they say: 'Do the research' like they are the only person in the world to research it? Kinda annoying, although I had that attitude when I left school so I should give a bit of latitude.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Why is that some people on this site say: 'Think for yourself ' to someone who disagrees with their warped views and then moan because that person is in fact.....wait for it......thinking for himself. Or they say: 'Do the research' like they are the only person in the world to research it? Kinda annoying, although I had that attitude when I left school so I should give a bit of latitude.

ever heard the saying?

dont believe everything you see on tv??

[Cloak & Dagger]

Katrina was WAY worse than any 9/11 Ever will be, and that anniversary, the 3rd, is only a few days away.

you are comparing an act of God or natural disaster

to something that was an act of man or could have been prevented?

[englishmike]

I'm enjoyingthe debate, I just want to get a handle on the number of people in the conspiracy. So far we've got government officials and aides and the worlds media. We've also established the people that were in the towers that lived were seeing things and they didnt in fact see a plane.....tell me which is not fact before we go on, i dont want you misquoted.

[tacomax]

I'm impressed... This is a good post...

The rest of the posts are worthless as they answer questions with other questions... That is the first sign that the point is worth debating ....just not with them....

Damn. It took you just almost 7 hours to post in a 9/11 related thread. The line at Matchbook was O/U 32 minutes.

[tacomax]

ever heard the saying?

dont believe everything you see on tv??

Ironically, the people who say that are the people who believe everything they see on youtube.

[Cloak & Dagger]

How can the media have tampered with the footage, it was live on every television in the world? As for the pentagon, there is footage of the plane going in, how many different people do you think would have been needed for this ludicrous scenario? People in four different locations, the construction crews to weaken the structures etc, it's absolutely sick

Also, how do you think the conversation would have gone down, do you think they started at 1000 deaths and then thought that wasn't enough so settled for somewhere under 4,000 but not as many as 5,000. Do you lonely people out there think the government saw it as a bonus when countless hundreds first response people were killed? Do you think they saw it a bonus when so many firefighters died because that always tugs on the public heartstrings? Do you think they had a conference call the day before to make sure everything was in place for their conspiracy to commit mass murder?

The biggest insult to the people that died that day isn't the fact the crime was carried out by brainwashed retards who were intent on evil, the bigger insult is the fact that some people genuinely beileve the crime was pre-planned by their own government, culminating in sending in workers to weaken the structure before the pre-arranged crashing of the planes. The fact they had all the names of the terrorists, security camera footage of them boarding the planes, etc etc seems to count for nothing and the claim that the government 'knew' but did nothing is as sick as the crime itself. The only time i'm ever glad i'm from another country is when I realise it means I don't have to associate myself with the people who have got so little in their life they have to gossip about bullsh1t theories to stifle their own boring existance. By continuing to gossip about something you know nothing about you continue refusing to allow the bereaved to grieve for their loved ones in the normal manner and giving them more sleepless nights then they might have had anyway, because you are so lonely you can't help but invent gossip to get you through the day....even if it means gossiping about mass murder. Thats the crime here, shame the planes didn't hit your house so your families could suffer the constant reminder of that day through the eyes of retarded chatter boxes.

so the family members that call for a new investigation into 9/11

the family members that lost people in 9/11

the sick first responders that call for a new investigation because they dont believe the official story

would they fall into this category you speak of as well??

you speak for them so elequently

[Cloak & Dagger]

Ironically, the people who say that are the people who believe everything they see on youtube.

so when I watch a video of original 9/11 footage on youtube...its fake just because its posted on youtube??

[englishmike]

You talk for an awful lot of people yourself.

[englishmike]

so when I watch a video of original 9/11 footage on youtube...its fake just because its posted on youtube??

No, it's real on youtube, it's only tampered with as it going out to the world live.

[Cloak & Dagger]

You talk for an awful lot of people yourself.

nah

I only speak for myself

what the next man believes is perfectly fine

thats the difference between me and some people

I dont care what the next man believes

but some...some get REALLY ANGRY when people dont follow the leader

[Cloak & Dagger]

No, it's real on youtube, it's only tampered with as it going out to the world live.

I thought you understood there is no such thing as "live" television

[englishmike]

I thought you understood there is no such thing as "live" television

Thats right, I forgot, every tv executive in the world is in on it as well.

[englishmike]

nah

I only speak for myself

what the next man believes is perfectly fine

thats the difference between me and some people

I dont care what the next man believes

but some...some get REALLY ANGRY when people dont follow the leader

I'll let the debate flow on by asking people to read post 38 immiedietly after they read the one above.

[tacomax]

so when I watch a video of original 9/11 footage on youtube...its fake just because its posted on youtube??

I think you missed my point. However, you also seem to be missing just about every other point.

Why do you dismiss what you see on TV as false but automatically believe everything you see on youtube?

[englishmike]

I think you missed my point. However, you also seem to be missing just about every other point.

Why do you dismiss what you see on TV as false but automatically believe everything you see on youtube?

Youre wasting your time son but I'll watch with interest. The bit I enjoy the most is when people try to back their sh1t up with a smiley as if that makes it a bit more solid.

[accuscoresucks]

next the .gov. will try to block internet connections,monopoly is a mf---...

[Cloak & Dagger]

I think you missed my point. However, you also seem to be missing just about every other point.

Why do you dismiss what you see on TV as false but automatically believe everything you see on youtube?

lets see

1,000,000 different people post original 9/11 footage on youtube

but you are saying there is a possibility that it could be fake or doctored

well

I guess someone could find out really fast by going to the different media websites and looking at the archived footage

oh wait....the archived footage has been tampered with

THAT IS A FACT

ill go with strength in numbers....ill take the 1,000,000 for a dime

anymore questions??

[Dark Horse]

It will all come out. Thirty years down the road.

I'll be happy to take your wagers on that right now.

[Cloak & Dagger]

It will all come out. Thirty years down the road.

I'll be happy to take your wagers on that right now.

[Dark Horse]

Proposed wager: The truth will -officially- come out in some thirty years. If there was such a test as two people putting their hands in a fire, and only the hand of the person with the accurate view would remain unharmed, I would do that as well. But since there is no such test, I'll take the wagers.

My personal opinion is that 9/11 is among the bigger lies to have been pulled over the eyes of the American people. Right up there with the Fed, but not quite. But how many times can a sane person have the exact same debate?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Ahh yes. The conspirators just forgot that they archive their own footage in the midst of the cover up. A tricky step indeed. Only true geniuses would have the forethought to have doctored that as well before releasing it to the public. You've got 'em right by the balls, Cloak. It's a good thing that the thousands of conspirators involved in this didn't think of that!

[tacomax]

but you are saying there is a possibility that it could be fake or doctored

BINGO - you eventually get my point. I think that there is a possibility that not everything on youtube is 100% true. I also think the same about Wikipedia.

However, since you believe everything you see on youtube, you must then believe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q20NmYGE-T4

So, no conspiracy then. That's official - youtube said so.

[accuscoresucks]

terror,oh terrorism,terror,terrorism we are being under attack by terrorist,terror





like some guy in a cave caused norad to stand down

[MonkeyF0cker]

I suppose the silohoutte of a plane in the side of a burning building was immediately painted on the side of the building too, as smoke and fire billowed out of the hole...

[englishmike]

I suppose the silohoutte of a plane in the side of a burning building was immediately painted on the side of the building too, as smoke and fire billowed out of the hole...

I think given the heat you would need a suitable primer and two coats of latex.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yes terrorists are as fake as the Easter Bunny. There are no people in the world that want to destroy America and George Bush is also responsible for the attacks in Spain and London and hired al-quaida actors to stage confessions. They are actually a travelling stage show, not an extremely deadly terrorist organization.

[Cloak & Dagger]

terror,oh terrorism,terror,terrorism we are being under attack by terrorist,terror





like some guy in a cave caused norad to stand down

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/index.html

Air Defense
Multiple Failures of the Air Defense Network to Protect New York City and the Capital

On September 11th, there were fighters in the air less than five minutes away from the Twin Towers when the first was hit, 25 minutes after Flight 11 was believed to be hijacked. There were a number of air stations with combat-ready fighters within ten minutes' flying time from the New York City and Washington targets. There were well-established automatic procedures for intercepting aircraft that were either off course or had lost communication. Yet there were no interceptions of any of the four hijacked aircraft, with the possible exception of Flight 93, whose interception and shoot-down is officially denied. What conclusions can be drawn from this failure, given the awesome capabilities of the air defense network?
The Changing Story

For the first few days after the attack, the official story was that no interceptors were scrambled until after the Pentagon strike. On September 16th Vice President Cheney told Meet the Press that George Bush personally made the decision to scramble interceptors, and suggested that he did so only after the Pentagon was hit. 1 General Myers, during his confirmation hearing on September 13th, said that no military aircraft were scrambled until after the Pentagon was hit. 2 There was also no mention in the major media of scramblings of jets prior to the Pentagon hit, until September 14th, when Dan Rather announced on the CBS Evening News that F-15s were scrambled from Otis at 8:44 and F-16s were scrambled from Langley at 9:30. 3 Officials such as Cheney apparently were not kept apprised of these new "facts," since his Meet the Press interview was two days later. Four days after the CBS disclosure, the new story was incorporated into NORAD's official timeline.

The official timeline was changed again with the release of the 9/11 Commission Report. The differences between the NORAD and Commission timelines are graphically summarized on the timelines pages.
The Interception "Attempts"

While Flights 11 and 175 were in the air, two F-15s were circling in a 150-mile chunk of air space off the coast of Long Island as ordered. Pilot Major Daniel Nash reported seeing a plume of smoke over Manhattan even though he was 70 miles away, and couldn't recall being told about the North Tower strike. After the second Tower was hit at 9:03, the pilots were ordered to head to Manhattan for combat air patrol, and they did that for the next four hours. 4

At 8:52 AM two F-15s from the 102nd Fighter Wing of Otis Air National Guard Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts were scrambled and airborne. These were the first jets scrambled, 38 minutes after Flight 11 was hijacked. But the pilots were not informed that Flight 11 had crashed into the WTC nor that Flight 175 had turned and was heading straight toward New York City. According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Although the F-15s had enough time to reach the World Trade Center, simple calculations using NORAD's own numbers reveal that the fighters were flying at only 24% of their top speeds.

At 9 AM the Pentagon moved its alert status up one notch from normal to Alpha. It stayed at Alpha until after the Pentagon strike.

A few minutes after 9:03, according to the official story, the Secret Service called Andrews Air Force Base, located 11 miles southeast of the Pentagon, with instructions to get some F-16s armed and ready to fly. Missiles were still being loaded onto the F-16's when the Pentagon was hit over half an hour later. 5

At 9:09, NORAD ordered Langley Air Force Base, in Hampden, Virginia, to put F-16s on battle stations alert. The order to scramble was not given until around 9:25. 6 At 9:30, the two and possibly three F-16s were finally airborne and en route to the Pentagon. 7 They were armed with Sidewinder missiles and authorized to shoot down civilian aircraft. At 9:49 the F-16s reached the Pentagon, around 15 minutes after the Pentagon strike. Simple calculations reveal that the F-16s could have reached the Pentagon before the assault, but also flew at an average of 24% of their top speeds.

At 10:01 AM the command center in Rome, N.Y., prompted by communications from the FAA, ordered the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio, to scramble F-16 fighters. 8 Unlike many other bases, Swanton had no fighters on stand-by alert status. Yet it managed to put jets in the air 16 minutes later.

[Dark Horse]

Most of man's dearest convictions are no more than beliefs. The majority of people fear the destruction of their beliefs and will defend them with a vengeance. A small minority embraces the destruction of their beliefs, because only truth, by definition, can be beyond destruction. Needless to say, the folks from these two groups will seldom agree.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Ahh yes. Because the U.S. military was hesitant to shoot down civilian aircraft for which it had no idea of what was transpiring inside the plane itself, it only makes sense that they were behind the whole thing! And yeah, I'm sure that you have all of the facts because there is nothing that the military likes to do more than to make public our national defense response procedures in unabridged volumes for the reading pleasure of every individual on Earth. Bravo, Cloak. Case closed.

[englishmike]

Most of man's dearest convictions are no more than beliefs. The majority of people fear the destruction of their beliefs and will defend them with a vengeance. A small minority embraces the destruction of their beliefs, because only truth, by definition, can be beyond destruction. Needless to say, the folks from these two groups will seldom agree.

I just read your ramblings and am not quite sure what your point is so for the purposes of fairness I just want you to answer a question that is phrased in a slightly more understandable way. A yes or no answer will suffice.

Are you asking people to beileve a President can be bought to his knees and almost impeached, with all the world implications that would bring, because a blow-job can't be kept a secret for a week but the next President can cospire with countless hundreds of people, including but not limited to, government officials and aides, the general public and the worlds media, to commit the biggest single act of mass murder on his OWN people in his OWN country to pursue his own foreign policy?