Zenyatta's odds in 2010 breeder's cup

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  • wtt0315
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-18-07
    • 8037

    #36
    i hope not but have a feeling she is going 19-1
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    • gtkid911
      SBR MVP
      • 01-10-10
      • 1123

      #37
      No way she goes off at 19-1
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      • jw
        SBR MVP
        • 10-25-09
        • 3999

        #38
        My guess would be something like ...

        5/2 Zenyatta
        4/1 Lookin at Lucky
        6/1 Blame
        6/1 Haynesfield
        8/1 Quality Road

        I did get a small bet on Zenyatta @ the 5/1 that was available earlier in the week ... that was a silly price ...
        I might also get a small bet on Haynesfield too on the day .... If Zenyatta is supported - I'm hoping to get around 8/1 for him.
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        • mikemca
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-10-10
          • 10047

          #39
          Originally posted by gtkid911;6***405
          No way she goes off at 19-1

          I think he meant her record is going to be 19-1
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          • tim0402
            SBR Sharp
            • 03-18-09
            • 492

            #40
            first off zenyatta is better on dirt she doesnt win because of the synthetic surface she wins despite of it. that artificial surface doesnt suit her style whatsoever. andrew beyer is a complete moron and beyer speed figs are complete dogshit. zenyatta loves this distance, who else in this race does??
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            • Thunder Gulch
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 08-30-10
              • 996

              #41
              Originally posted by tim0402
              first off zenyatta is better on dirt she doesnt win because of the synthetic surface she wins despite of it. that artificial surface doesnt suit her style whatsoever. andrew beyer is a complete moron and beyer speed figs are complete dogshit. zenyatta loves this distance, who else in this race does??
              So dirt surfaces are better for late runners than synthetic? Got any other insight that is refuted by a mountain of evidence.
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              • BarkingToad
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-31-08
                • 5914

                #42
                Originally posted by tim0402
                a lot people in this thread do not understand horse racing
                I think you're right. I hope and expect Zenyatta will get a race with pace for once.
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                • zebra58
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-04-10
                  • 2283

                  #43
                  wish they had a future wager on her leaving cali, hope she does
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                  • zebra58
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-04-10
                    • 2283

                    #44
                    Originally posted by BarkingToad
                    I think you're right. I hope and expect Zenyatta will get a race with pace for once.
                    think you're right, though i suspect better quality animals will be setting that pace

                    good luck
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                    • mikemca
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 03-10-10
                      • 10047

                      #45
                      Do any of you zenyatics want to give me odds that she won't finish in top 3?
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                      • floridagolfer
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-19-08
                        • 2762

                        #46
                        In the advance odds posted at drf.com, they list Zenyatta as the favorite at 3-1, Blame at 5-1, Lookin at Lucky and Quality Road both at 6-1.
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                        • zebra58
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-04-10
                          • 2283

                          #47
                          Originally posted by mikemca
                          Do any of you zenyatics want to give me odds that she won't finish in top 3?
                          think you're sure to find a few takers mikemc, bet she finishes midpack, know i'm going to get bashed for this but i still say they won't run her

                          please wait till cup day then call me a stupid***** or whatever you like, not trying to bash her, i hope she does run

                          good luck
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                          • gtkid911
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-10-10
                            • 1123

                            #48
                            why would you still think that they will not run her? Barring any injuries, she is on course to run. This was the ultimate goal of bringing her back this season.
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                            • Thunder Gulch
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 08-30-10
                              • 996

                              #49
                              I think she has a reasonable shot, but that puts fair odds around 5-1 meaning she's an underlay at the 3-1 or so I think she'll go to post at. She needs pace, which should be to her liking, but as was mentioned, the pacesetter won't be a glorified claiming female, it will be Haynesfield or Quality Road, and it will be on a surface that carries speed. Also, she won't be the only one making a move at the leaders off the turn. Blame and LAL among others will be doing the same thing.
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                              • zebra58
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-04-10
                                • 2283

                                #50
                                Originally posted by gtkid911
                                why would you still think that they will not run her? Barring any injuries, she is on course to run. This was the ultimate goal of bringing her back this season.
                                just based on the way shes been handled up to this point & her possible dislike for the dirt surface,, you're probably right gtkid, she's on course to run, only 2 weeks out,

                                perhaps i put my foot in my mouth again

                                good luck
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                                • Thunder Gulch
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 08-30-10
                                  • 996

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by gtkid911
                                  why would you still think that they will not run her? Barring any injuries, she is on course to run. This was the ultimate goal of bringing her back this season.
                                  Do you think they'll run if it rains? I was there last year and terribly disappointed when she scratched due to the off track.
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                                  • helicopter23
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 05-25-07
                                    • 622

                                    #52
                                    I'm starting to think she wil go off right around 5/2.. Anyone know how much was in the classic win pool last year???
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                                    • jw
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 10-25-09
                                      • 3999

                                      #53
                                      $7.7 million in the WPS pool. Can't find a breakdown.
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                                      • helicopter23
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 05-25-07
                                        • 622

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by jw
                                        $7.7 million in the WPS pool. Can't find a breakdown.
                                        How much was in the win pool only?


                                        Anyone know when the post position draw is for the Classic?
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                                        • Mike_79
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 12-12-05
                                          • 56

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by helicopter23
                                          How much was in the win pool only?


                                          Anyone know when the post position draw is for the Classic?
                                          They draw all races on Tuesday.
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                                          • helicopter23
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 05-25-07
                                            • 622

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Mike_79
                                            They draw all races on Tuesday.

                                            Is it on tv or the internet? Maybe TVG??
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                                            • floridagolfer
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 12-19-08
                                              • 2762

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by zebra58
                                              . . . her possible dislike for the dirt surface . . .

                                              Huh? Where did you come up with this?
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                                              • jw
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-25-09
                                                • 3999

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by helicopter23


                                                Is it on tv or the internet? Maybe TVG??


                                                HRTV have streaming rights .... not sure if it'll show up elsewhere ....
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                                                • ukbro00
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 04-02-07
                                                  • 388

                                                  #59
                                                  She'll be around 2-1. A lot of that is hype money, but she is undefeated.
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                                                  • klinkman
                                                    SBR Rookie
                                                    • 11-01-10
                                                    • 5

                                                    #60
                                                    How are you all approaching the classic on pick 6 tickets? Cover all of Zenyatta, Quality Road, Blame and Looking at Lucky, or something else?
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                                                    • zebra58
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-04-10
                                                      • 2283

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by floridagolfer
                                                      Huh? Where did you come up with this?
                                                      just thoughts swirling around in my head, just meant for the most part she is unproven on a dirt track

                                                      good luck to you & zenyatta
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                                                      • mikemca
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 03-10-10
                                                        • 10047

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by klinkman
                                                        How are you all approaching the classic on pick 6 tickets? Cover all of Zenyatta, Quality Road, Blame and Looking at Lucky, or something else?
                                                        Blame,Quality Road as A's
                                                        Lucky as a B
                                                        Fly Down as a C
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                                                        • zebra58
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 09-04-10
                                                          • 2283

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by mikemca
                                                          Blame,Quality Road as A's
                                                          Lucky as a B
                                                          Fly Down as a C
                                                          miekmca, i could be wrong but seems you don't think much of zenyatta, is it the whole zen vs racheal thing? it was for me, took me along time to admit zen is the real thing
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                                                          • mikemca
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 03-10-10
                                                            • 10047

                                                            #64
                                                            I think she is a great mare on synthetics but has almost no chance on dirt vs this field.This race sets up perfect to exploit a public who are betting as fans and think 19-0=unbeatable.She is 0-0 vs males on dirt and only 1-0 vs males in all.I could go on forever why I am playing against her none of which is Rachel.
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                                                            • zebra58
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-04-10
                                                              • 2283

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by mikemca
                                                              I think she is a great mare on synthetics but has almost no chance on dirt vs this field.This race sets up perfect to exploit a public who are betting as fans and think 19-0=unbeatable.She is 0-0 vs males on dirt and only 1-0 vs males in all.I could go on forever why I am playing against her none of which is Rachel.
                                                              makes pecfect sense, i'm still waiting for them to back out, if she runs she will be cranked & ready to go
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                                                              • Thunder Gulch
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 08-30-10
                                                                • 996

                                                                #66
                                                                Will she be overbet...absolutely, but to say she doesn't have a chance is going way out there. On paper she is probably the slowest in the field, but speed figures have never been able to find a place for her. She is a true 10f horse- when most here arent- and the pace setup will favor the late runners. I keep saying fair odds are in the 5 or 6 to 1 range.
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                                                                • gtkid911
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-10-10
                                                                  • 1123

                                                                  #67
                                                                  No way 5-6 to 1. Books had her at 7-2 for a while now 3-1. Speed figures depend on the pace of which she has no control over so you cant blame her speed figures. Honestly the best way to just gauge her excellence is to just watch her races. The way she moves is just so graceful and her will to win is just ridiculous.
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                                                                  • mikemca
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-10-10
                                                                    • 10047

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Zenyatta 8/5 morning line
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                                                                    • mikemca
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 03-10-10
                                                                      • 10047

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Quality Road drew the rail with Blame in post 5 ,Zenyatta post 8,and lookin at lucky is not so lucky he drewthe outside post 12
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                                                                      • Seattle Slew
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 01-02-06
                                                                        • 7373

                                                                        #70
                                                                        With the huge pools, she'll likely be 9-5 to 2-1. Be surprised if she's lower than that.
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