do any of you own a hand gun

[THE PROFIT]

Jule, i like you, and agree with you for the most part on most things you say, but your pacifist liberal bullshit wont fly here. Sorry

[Jule]

You need to think about how you can truly defend your home, Profit. It is the smart thing to do to ask for help from professionals rather than you acting like Indiana Jones. Plus, you also have to live with the fact of having killed someone if you are "successful"...what if this guy is not a psycho who is out to rape your family but a drug addict who is looking for some cash in your home? I am not saying you should just let anyone drop by and rob you, but a phone call to the cops would be sufficient. When scared for my life, I run. I don't shoot. The world is not as bad as people make it out to be.

[Jule]

Jule, i like you, and agree with you for the most part on most things you say, but your pacifist liberal bullshit wont fly here. Sorry

Hahaha...so I should shut up?

[sickler]

The old gun debate. This will never end, each side going at each other endlessly without swaying opinion.

FTR, I own weapons but no guns.

[HUSALAH]

I don't own a gun; I never have and never will own one or fire one. Guns might be for people with small CHILDREN?

? or hot wives, or expensive possessions,

[Holtgetsback]

You need to think about how you can truly defend your home, Profit. It is the smart thing to do to ask for help from professionals rather than you acting like Indiana Jones. Plus, you also have to live with the fact of having killed someone if you are "successful"...what if this guy is not a psycho who is out to rape your family but a drug addict who is looking for some cash in your home? I am not saying you should just let anyone drop by and rob you, but a phone call to the cops would be sufficient. When scared for my life, I run. I don't shoot. The world is not as bad as people make it out to be.

So basically people shouldn't have the right to protect their lives or the lives of their family.

Home owners get killed all of the time in home invasions after they startle the robber/s etc

Quit being so naive

[Jule]

? or hot wives, or expensive possessions,

Hey...I like your creative answer here. Now, hot wife or not, a rapist does not give a rat's ass about what the woman looks like. Honestly, rape is about something else than banging a hot woman. Expensive possessions...hm...how about an alarm system? If you are well off to own original paintings and such, you can also afford that. Small children...this one makes me think the most, really. I have to say I don't have a cunning answer for that one, will ponder over it more. Thanks for your comment. You make me think.

[Holtgetsback]

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/738909.html

Jefferson County - Jefferson County investigators have released few details about a deadly home invasion Sunday night.

It happened in the 4300 block of Jolley Road south of Bessemer. Sheriff's deputies recieved the call about 8:00pm. The sheriff's office said the intruder was shot to death by the homeowner.

[THE PROFIT]

noble argument, Jule, but not real! I dont know where you're from, probably like a place where I'm from. Leave the doors unlocked, 99.999999999% white, no racial tensions, no drug dealers, 90% of the people are over 50, fukin Mayberry.

But step outside of that bubble & shit can get fuked up in a hurry

[Jule]

So basically people shouldn't have the right to protect their lives or the lives of their family.

Home owners get killed all of the time in home invasions after they startle the robber/s etc

Quit being so naive

I like your emoticons! OK, let me think about what you said. Imagine someone really breaks into your house and you do have a gun. What exactly would you do? Are you merely by having a gun being equipped enough to truly win this fight, especially if the burglar is armed as well? Armed burglars usually don't come alone...how could you win? You don't know how many people are in your house, and you don't know how they are armed. Rather, grab your family and leave the house. Then, call the cops. This reaction just makes more sense to me.
Let me ask you one more thing. How many people do you honestly know who had armed burglars enter their house? How many of them have been killed by a gun? I truly don't know anyone. Maybe you can enlighten me?

[THE PROFIT]

I can honestly say that anyone could live in the town I grew up in forever & never ever need a gun to defend themselves. But that place is not like most of the world, so who am I to tell people what they need when they have serial rapists & crack addicts & gangs in their neighborhood

[HUSALAH]

Hey...I like your creative answer here. Now, hot wife or not, a rapist does not give a rat's ass about what the woman looks like. Honestly, rape is about something else than banging a hot woman. Expensive possessions...hm...how about an alarm system? If you are well off to own original paintings and such, you can also afford that. Small children...this one makes me think the most, really. I have to say I don't have a cunning answer for that one, will ponder over it more. Thanks for your comment. You make me think.

no problem and my guns are kept away from the reach of the kids but within easy enoug =h access for myself, personally I think you are right about the alarm system being a great way to avoid an altercation in the 1st place but i have to agree with that comment earlier about eing forced to watch your family be killed or sexually abused in front of you, this is why guns are a must for myself. As soon as my kids are old enough to responsibly handle one they will also. I am still thinking about your comment about how rapists dont really target thr hot woman and/or celebrities, in fact i was having this conversation the other night. I think you are right about rape being about something else and as normal man I dont see it at all and with 3 sister it disgusts me. I would not hesitate to kill anyone who crossed that boundry with any of the woman in my life, but I pray to god that something like that would never happen.

[Jule]

noble argument, Jule, but not real! I dont know where you're from, probably like a place where I'm from. Leave the doors unlocked, 99.999999999% white, no racial tensions, no drug dealers, 90% of the people are over 50, fukin Mayberry.

But step outside of that bubble & shit can get fuked up in a hurry

I live in the barrio, Profit. I am actually a racial minority where I live. And yes, there are drug problems in my area. People are being busted right in front of my house. It is not a metropolitan city. So, maybe I am the exception to the rule? Maybe I just got lucky that nothing has happened to me before? People are people, acting like more unfortunate people are less worthy than I am creates tension. See, that is my philosophy...treat the most unfortunate people the best. I once taught an ex convict who was involved in lots of trouble. He respected me more than anyone else and you want to know why? Because I treat him with respect and believe in rehabilitation. Race does not matter to me. I actually like being the minority

[Jule]

I can honestly say that anyone could live in the town I grew up in forever & never ever need a gun to defend themselves. But that place is not like most of the world, so who am I to tell people what they need when they have serial rapists & crack addicts & gangs in their neighborhood

again, you sound scared like so many here on this thread. The chances of a Ted Bundy entering your house are so small, Profit, rather teach your family to fasten a seat belt when driving. And a crack addict just wants your possessions, no gun needed here to defend someone's life. Call me naive, you would not be the first one to do so.

[Holtgetsback]

I like your emoticons! OK, let me think about what you said. Imagine someone really breaks into your house and you do have a gun. What exactly would you do? Are you merely by having a gun being equipped enough to truly win this fight, especially if the burglar is armed as well? Armed burglars usually don't come alone...how could you win? You don't know how many people are in your house, and you don't know how they are armed. Rather, grab your family and leave the house. Then, call the cops. This reaction just makes more sense to me.
Let me ask you one more thing. How many people do you honestly know who had armed burglars enter their house? How many of them have been killed by a gun? I truly don't know anyone. Maybe you can enlighten me?

As far as your first line of questions..I hope it never comes to that and if it does we are prepared.

Also if you want to read about home invasions, shootings, stabbings, rapes, gangs, drugs, etc , everyday just look up an online paper for a decent sized city in the Midwest...(well..Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio...not to familiar with the rest)

anyways ever since factories started closing up left and right hard drug use and crime is getting out of control.

you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read and hear about every day

[Jule]

As far as your first line of questions..I hope it never comes to that and if it does we are prepared.

Also if you want to read about home invasions, shootings, stabbings, rapes, gangs, drugs, etc , everyday just look up an online paper for a decent sized city in the Midwest...(well..Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio...not to familiar with the rest)

anyways ever since factories started closing up left and right hard drug use and crime is getting out of control.

you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I read and hear about every day

So, allow me to be a pain in your butt now and play Devil's Advocate for a minute. You don't actually know someone, right? You read about it and so do I. But it has never happened to anyone you know. Neither has it happened to anyone I know. OK, we could now argue and say that this does not give us a guarantee it won't happen to us tonight. I use common sense. I would not walk in certain parts of Chicago, for example. I would stay away from train stations in Germany when it is the middle of the night. But I am not afraid to look a drunk in the eye and tell him to chill and to leave me alone.
Yes, crime is more prevalent amongst the poor. We need to figure out a way to change the unemployment rate in urban areas. Then, the need for having a gun will be smaller, in your eyes.

[Holtgetsback]

So, allow me to be a pain in your butt now and play Devil's Advocate for a minute. You don't actually know someone, right? You read about it and so do I. But it has never happened to anyone you know. Neither has it happened to anyone I know. OK, we could now argue and say that this does not give us a guarantee it won't happen to us tonight. I use common sense. I would not walk in certain parts of Chicago, for example. I would stay away from train stations in Germany when it is the middle of the night. But I am not afraid to look a drunk in the eye and tell him to chill and to leave me alone.
Yes, crime is more prevalent amongst the poor. We need to figure out a way to change the unemployment rate in urban areas. Then, the need for having a gun will be smaller, in your eyes.

I know many people that have had their home broken into...luckily never were any killed... Although I have read about people in my city being killed during home invasions. Also about intruders being killed by homeowners. My wife used to be friends with a woman that was raped in a home invasion.


But this still holds no water to you...because all people have good intentions and the world is not as bad as we think........

Jule..I have heard stories that would blow your mind...am not talking about good guy stories either... Jule I used to run with a wild crowd.

You're living in a bubble

[Jule]

I know many people that have had their home broken into...luckily never were any killed... Although I have read about people in my city being killed during home invasions. Also about intruders being killed by homeowners. My wife used to be friends with a woman that was raped in a home invasion.


But this still holds no water to you...because all people have good intentions and the world is not as bad as we think........

Jule..I have heard stories that would blow your mind...am not talking about good guy stories either... Jule I used to run with a wild crowd.

You're living in a bubble

Say you are right and I am mistaken. Then, I hope I will never leave my bubble. You know what I will do now? I will ask people in my life how they feel about home invasions and that Second (is that right?) Amendment.
Thanks for replying, I like your tone.

[Cuse0323]

I live in the barrio, Profit. I am actually a racial minority where I live. And yes, there are drug problems in my area. People are being busted right in front of my house. It is not a metropolitan city. So, maybe I am the exception to the rule? Maybe I just got lucky that nothing has happened to me before? People are people, acting like more unfortunate people are less worthy than I am creates tension. See, that is my philosophy...treat the most unfortunate people the best. I once taught an ex convict who was involved in lots of trouble. He respected me more than anyone else and you want to know why? Because I treat him with respect and believe in rehabilitation. Race does not matter to me. I actually like being the minority

I know the secret now, I don't need guns..I'll just treat the con with respect when he breaks into my house.

[wtf]

I know the secret now, I don't need guns..I'll just treat the con with respect when he breaks into my house.

now your talking!

say please and thank you while he bangs your wife and robs you car

[Jule]

I know the secret now, I don't need guns..I'll just treat the con with respect when he breaks into my house.

I know I should get more defensive now but your reply made me giggle. Yes, Cuse, maybe this is the secret...

[ngates815]

Comeon Jule....I doubt as soon as people here something shady, they run down stairs guns blazing. We have an alarm, if it goes out the company calls us, also on the phone with the cops instantly. WE sleep with our doors to our bedroom locked, If the alarm goes off we would sit in the bedroom until authority arrives. I'm not looking to shoot my gun at just anyone, but if the Alarm goes off, and 1 minute later someone is coming up the stairs, or breaking down the door, best believe they are getting a warning shot, and I'd bet most the time they would run away if unarmed, or even if they are armed. You are acting like people are looking for a reason to kill someone with their gun. I live on decent sized house/property between probably 2 of the top 10 worst cities in Illinois (Joliet/Aurora)

[tltaylor89]

Proud handgun owner

[sundin4prez]

Guys, you sound scared... do you also leave your porch light on at night or when you leave the house? In my eyes, the best way to protect myself would be to simply run away (at least that's what I did the only time someone tried to start a fight with me and I knew I would have no chance of winning). Having a gun in your house can also hurt your family. What if your kid plays with it? What is you forget to lock it away properly? What if your teenage son comes home drunk and wants to be a badassy mother****er and tries to show off in front of his friends? These possibilities outweigh the argument that one day this "mean burglar" might sneak into my house and I could only save my life by shooting him or her. If someone breaks in, they are more interested in your possessions than in you, no?
So, here is my Fazit...either I trust too much in human nature or you guys watch too many psychological thrillers and can't handle
it.

agree 100%..... i dont understand the whole to protect my family argument.... so you need a gun to be a man and protect your family in your own home?

[ngates815]

agree 100%..... i dont understand the whole to protect my family argument.... so you need a gun to be a man and protect your family in your own home?

So you're telling me, an intruder comes in armed, your bedroom is upstairs, and there is only 1 way to get past him. Your fists of fury vs his gun...But hey at least you died like a man.

Jule is saying if someone breaks into her house she'll run, it's tough to run when you have to jump from 20 + feet out a window, or run past an armed intruder.


Sundin you aren't that big of a badass, that you could get past a guy with a gun. Like I said stay in your room until the authorities get there, but still, I'll have the gun ready incase someone comes barging thru the bedroom door. Most burglars or intruders will take off as soon as they hear the alarm sound off, if they don't, you know they are looking for some type of trouble.

[Rich Boy]

Just think of the guilt you would have to live if your wife/GF died...

[Jule]

So every woman needs a Rambo in her life to feel save? I am giggling here...I don't need a man to feel safe or protected. If something happens to me it is not my mate's fault. So, guilt would be an inappropriate feeling.

[Doug]

We should all be armed.

esp. on airplanes, they should pass out pistols with the peanuts, then if anybody makes trouble, everybody shoot them towelheads.

[Jule]

Jule is saying if someone breaks into her house she'll run, it's tough to run when you have to jump from 20 + feet out a window, or run past an armed intruder.


So how about tackling the burglar instead of shooting him?

[Jule]

esp. on airplanes, they should pass out pistols with the peanuts, then if anybody makes trouble, everybody shoot them towelheads.

So everybody who is a "towelhead" should be shot in your eyes? Are you educated at all, my friend?

[ngates815]

Jule is saying if someone breaks into her house she'll run, it's tough to run when you have to jump from 20 + feet out a window, or run past an armed intruder.


So how about tackling the burglar instead of shooting him?

jesus christ....do you have selective reading? How in the hell are you going to be able to spring downstairs and tackle an ARMED intruder? I understand completely where you're coming from. I hope to never have to use my gun....re read what I wrote and see if it makes any sense to you.

[Jule]

ngates,
I know I can be obtuse sometimes. Am I a pain in your butt yet? If yes, I apologize. I was kidding when I made my comment about tackling, just thought it would be funny if I simply tackled him after maybe distracting him with my annoying charm for a second.
Thank you for seeing my point. I guess we can agree to disagree?
So, back to being serious....have you ever had to use the fun and can you safely say you aim well enough to handle it in a serious situation?

[ngates815]

Never had to use my gun....Never plan to. Yes I can shoot it, my 2 uncles have been cops for 20+ years and I've been shooting since I've been 12 years old. In a serious situation, I don't see myself as having a problem shooting someone, I don't care when people die that are scumbags. When someone robs a store, or breaks into someones house I believe they should just be eliminated because they don't help the rest of the world go round. They are just scum.

I've never even pulled my gun, while waking up in the morning. If I hear something going on outside, I normally grab my Machete, and walk downstairs in the dark. I've never had to call the cops and the alarm has never gone off. Never had a problem on the homefront.

[Rich Boy]

A woman doesn't belong in this thread, don't have the balls to pull the trigger.

[Jule]

RichBoy, just because I won't pull the trigger does not mean no woman would. So, maybe you should say Jules does not belong in this thread...hm?