Guys I might be done gambling.

[Grind-It-Out]

thanks illini

sampatriotfan, how did you turn it around? Are you a winning gambler now?

WRONG thing to ask. You are not ready to quit yet. You should not be worried about winning right now. If you decided to keep gambling, your sole goal at this point should be to do so without blowing up. After you master this (may take several months), then and only then should you focus on winning.

[OmgUrMom]

#12) Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps we tried to carry the message and practice these principles in all are affairs

If you get to that step you will have your own awakening and you will stay or leave but you will have learned a new way to live
trust me they won't tell you what i do is in anyway correct way to work the program
you will have to find you own path

do they ask you to speak at their meetings? i would feel a bit goofy telling them about my poker/sports betting problems. Like you said the spirit of the group is addiction, but im not sure i would like to speak at my first meeting. Will they press you on this?

[shari91]

Bunch on nonsense...points if anything but my days of buying alcoholics a pint of Smirnoff are over

Thank you!!

Getting him back in the game is not going to help him at all. If everyone wanted to donate and hook him up with some sessions with a therapist who we pre-paid, I'd be more than up for that. But not this. Sorry to those of you who don't understand where I'm coming from but he's laying it out on the line here and being very honest about all of his troubles, not just gambling. I'm the most chronic gambler there is, but when someone is clearly asking for our help to get out, why not support him?

[OmgUrMom]

WRONG thing to ask. You are not ready to quit yet. You should not be worried about winning right now. If you decided to keep gambling, your sole goal at this point should be to do so without blowing up. After you master this (may take several months), then and only then should you focus on winning.

your right, if i ever start playing again, my only concern should be following a proper br management. Who cares about even capping the games, before i should even worry about that i should prove i have the money management skills to survive.

Not sure I want to ever invest another dime again though.

[Grind-It-Out]

your right, if i ever start playing again, my only concern should be following a proper br management. Who cares about even capping the games, before i should even worry about that i should prove i have the money management skills to survive.

Not sure I want to ever invest another dime again though.

Keep that mindset and you will be golden with whatever you decide.

[THE PROFIT]

Thank you!!

Getting him back in the game is not going to help him at all. If everyone wanted to donate and hook him up with some sessions with a therapist who we pre-paid, I'd be more than up for that. But not this. Sorry to those of you who don't understand where I'm coming from but he's laying it out on the line here and being very honest about all of his troubles, not just gambling. I'm the most chronic gambler there is, but when someone is clearly asking for our help to get out, why not support him?

damnit, Shari! You're always so sweet & thoughtful & nice, it's sickening. If you weren't so fukin hot I'd Hate you!

[shari91]

damnit, Shari! You're always so sweet & thoughtful & nice, it's sickening. If you weren't so fukin hot I'd Hate you!

I'm not always so nice. Told some guy I was going to report his ass until he was banned if he went into LB's thread talking trash again.

But this is really making me sad. Just hope it all works out for you OMG whichever way is the best for you. The fact that you're being so open and asking questions about how to go about helping yourself, really makes me think that you'll be ok in the long run.

[OmgUrMom]

thanks shari, i hope i will be ok in the long run too

[paco]

Sorry pal.

[Grind-It-Out]

There's a lot of crap in here so you probably missed it, but seriously.... STUDY THE KELLY CRITERION. It will change your life, and I'm not kidding.

[in2thethickofit]

OMG, I used to play the same way as you.........and could not win to save my life. Just try to discipline yourself to stay away from parlays and don't bet if the juice is not good.

GL and I hope some time will help you get back in the black and out of the red!!

Yes, stay away from these. Got caught up in this game before, means trouble.

[OmgUrMom]

Sorry pal.

its ok, thanks for the thought tho paco. I have dug my hole, now i have to figure out how to climb out.

[OmgUrMom]

There's a lot of crap in here so you probably missed it, but seriously.... STUDY THE KELLY CRITERION. It will change your life, and I'm not kidding.

i have heard of it, it instructs you how much to bet based on what percentage you think you will win right?

If you believe you have a 60% play, obviously you should make a larger wager than if you only believe you have a slight edge with a 55% play.

You have any links to where its explained fully? Nvm I will google it.

[fightingwarrior]

just stop or learn bankroll management

[flyingillini]

If the Tony-Paco Bobby-Sammy shit has taught you anything it is dont trust any of these fuks

You are correct. I have done financial dealings with two people from this board and both couldn't have gone smoother. Extra Innings and JJ Gold.

[paco]

its ok, thanks for the thought tho paco. I have dug my hole, now i have to figure out how to climb out.

I have just gave u 50 points on the post above. It's not much, but it can help u pay off some of ur points debt.

[Extra Innings]

There's a lot of crap in here so you probably missed it, but seriously.... STUDY THE KELLY CRITERION. It will change your life, and I'm not kidding.

I tend to put alcoholics and drugs addicts in a separate category from gamblers.

All things being equal


You give a gambler more money or release them from their debt they immediately are elated. More drugs for the drug addict tend to do the same but not nearly with such an effect. Most alcoholics face legal/physical consequences but rarely do they drop as hard as gambler....rarely do they stop because they are broke. The key to self help is the process. By going to group you're doing the exact opposite of why most choose to gamble, drink, drug irresponsibly....from a "me" to a "us" perspective. Life is about "us".


Thoughts?

[minet123]

do they ask you to speak at their meetings? i would feel a bit goofy telling them about my poker/sports betting problems. Like you said the spirit of the group is addiction, but im not sure i would like to speak at my first meeting. Will they press you on this?

ABSOLUTELY NOT
when you first show up depending on the area some total stranger may hug you
just roll with it
then they will have 4 or 5 paragraph readings which they may ask you to read one
if you don't feel comfortable, just say no thanks i don't feel like reading
they will ask if there are any new comers and may or may not give you a key chain and a phone list which know one ever use but accept them in the spirit given
they will than go around the room and everyone will introduce them selves as hi my name is name is ***** and I am an addict
you don't have to say anything when its your turn or you can just say your name or you can follow what everyone else is doing
than depending on what sort of meeting it is half will be devoted to a speaker or a reading from the blue book than people will share
just listen and try to identity with what the person is feeling, not what drugs/booze they did it where you ended up that you want to try and identify with
and if you feel the need put your hand up
BUT KNOW ONE WILL EVER MAKE YOU SAY ANYTHING OR EVEN SPEAK A WORD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO

[fightingwarrior]

5,000 is alot of money these days esp when you dont have it.to give to a sportsbook in 1 night honestly best thing i could say is work 9 to 5 get off the forums and just enjoy life a little bit.when the paycheck comes put 50.00 and try to learn bankroll management.

[OmgUrMom]

kelly criterion is a good baseline to follow, i thought it would be a bit more conservative...

from wikipedia...

The Kelly property appears "in the long run" (that is, it is an asymptotic property). To a person, it matters whether the property emerges over a small number or a large number of bets. It makes sense to consider not just the long run, but where losing a bet might leave one in the short and medium term as well. A related point is that Kelly assumes the only important thing is long-term wealth. Most people also care about the path to get there. Two people dying with the same amount of money need not have had equally happy lives. Kelly betting leads to highly volatile short-term outcomes which many people find unpleasant, even if they believe they will do well in the end.

[OmgUrMom]

I have just gave u 50 points on the post above. It's not much, but it can help u pay off some of ur points debt.

thank you, it will greatly help with my point debt

[Grind-It-Out]

I'm not saying to use Kelly but rather to understand it. It will teach you exactly WHY you don't bet too much and WHY you don't chase,etc

[paco]

I have just gave u 50 points on the post above. It's not much, but it can help u pay off some of ur points debt.

Please pay some of ur point loans with that and don't try to flip it at the Sbr casino.

[OmgUrMom]

Please pay some of ur point loans with that and don't try to flip it at the Sbr casino.

i wouldn't put your generosity to waste like that. All 50 went to my debtors, my 189 point loan is almost complete(thanks to you, wtf and bread). I still have some work to do with another 330 point loan outstanding. I would laugh but it's really not funny how dumb i can be.

[OmgUrMom]

ABSOLUTELY NOT
when you first show up depending on the area some total stranger may hug you
just roll with it
then they will have 4 or 5 paragraph readings which they may ask you to read one
if you don't feel comfortable, just say no thanks i don't feel like reading
they will ask if there are any new comers and may or may not give you a key chain and a phone list which know one ever use but accept them in the spirit given
they will than go around the room and everyone will introduce them selves as hi my name is name is ***** and I am an addict
you don't have to say anything when its your turn or you can just say your name or you can follow what everyone else is doing
than depending on what sort of meeting it is half will be devoted to a speaker or a reading from the blue book than people will share
just listen and try to identity with what the person is feeling, not what drugs/booze they did it where you ended up that you want to try and identify with
and if you feel the need put your hand up
BUT KNOW ONE WILL EVER MAKE YOU SAY ANYTHING OR EVEN SPEAK A WORD IF YOU DON'T WANT TO

thanks for this post, i already feel more comfortable about going to one of these meetings, given that i have some idea of what to expect now.

[stealthyburrito]

finish off that loan bro

[VTranX]

i lost about 2,500k (most of my savings) on poker and SB. I get about 32-35 hours a week with a 13/hour job and I'm 18. My family doesn't know that my bank account is practicably empty until my next pay check. I actually thought about killing myself when my bank was empty, I don't know how many time I've smacked myself in the head and think "**** your so stupid and a gambleholic in denial". It's to the point where I think about my losses in everything I do, even at work. I hove about $500 left in my sportsbook account and trying to get even with all my losses. If I go bankrupt again I don't know what I would do.

[OmgUrMom]

finish off that loan bro

thanks burrito, it means a lot.

[Extra Innings]

i lost about 2,500k (most of my savings) on poker and SB. I get about 32-35 hours a week with a 13/hour job and I'm 18. My family doesn't know that my bank account is practicably empty until my next pay check. I actually thought about killing myself when my bank was empty, I don't know how many time I've smacked myself in the head and think "**** your so stupid and a gambleholic in denial". It's to the point where I think about my losses in everything I do, even at work. I hove about $500 left in my sportsbook account and trying to get even with all my losses. If I go bankrupt again I don't know what I would do.

Fukin' nice...you sound serious. I suggest you quit gambling...

[OmgUrMom]

i lost about 2,500k (most of my savings) on poker and SB. I get about 32-35 hours a week with a 13/hour job and I'm 18. My family doesn't know that my bank account is practicably empty until my next pay check. I actually thought about killing myself when my bank was empty, I don't know how many time I've smacked myself in the head and think "**** your so stupid and a gambleholic in denial". It's to the point where I think about my losses in everything I do, even at work. I hove about $500 left in my sportsbook account and trying to get even with all my losses. If I go bankrupt again I don't know what I would do.

i know your pain, on the drive home from the casino, i have thought, would it really be so bad to veer off the road and have a 70 mph collision with that wall? Probably wouldn't feel a thing and I wouldn't have to worry about the stupid sh!t I have already done and probably will do in the future if i don't get my sh!t together. (trying to maintain some hope) What's SB? the superbowl?

I have only briefly thought about it and will not do it.(kill myself) It is not worth it. You might want to tell your family about your problem. Hopefully they will understand. Mine does not, but i have to get over this with or without them.

[Wind gara]

just gave you 30 or so. not much but i dont have that much anyways. hope this helps.

and bro i totally get where you comeing from. when bad luck starts it reallys starts. good luck

[stealthyburrito]

thanks burrito, it means a lot.

happy to help

[OmgUrMom]

just gave you 30 or so. not much but i dont have that much anyways. hope this helps.

and bro i totally get where you comeing from. when bad luck starts it reallys starts. good luck

thanks wind gara, i really do appreciate it.

I don't think I can blame what I do on bad luck anymore (maybe my bad luck was being born with this?) Not saying that's an excuse, everyone has their own personal challenges to overcome.

[minet123]

thanks for this post, i already feel more comfortable about going to one of these meetings, given that i have some idea of what to expect now.

trust me when you leave your first meeting you will be like
WTF WAS THAT
WHAT A F**KING WASTE OF TIME
THOSE PEOPLE ARE F***ING NUTS

But as you think about what was said it will start to make sense
Go back the next day and typically you will still think
WTF WAS THAT
WHAT A F**KING WASTE OF TIME
THOSE PEOPLE ARE F***ING NUTS

Go again
you will know if you belong

[shari91]

i know your pain, on the drive home from the casino, i have thought, would it really be so bad to veer off the road and have a 70 mph collision with that wall? Probably wouldn't feel a thing and I wouldn't have to worry about the stupid sh!t I have already done and probably will do in the future if i don't get my sh!t together. (trying to maintain some hope) What's SB? the superbowl? I have only briefly thought about it and will not do it.(kill myself) It is not worth it. You might want to tell your family about your problem. Hopefully they will understand. Mine does not, but i have to get over this with or without them.

Ok guys, this is starting to worry me. I'm a mother - imagine what your mothers' would do if they could hear you talking like this. I don't care if your momma is a busted crackhead - it is NEVER worth it to even think like this about such an insignificant amount of money. I realise right now the dollar value seems huge - but trust me, over the scheme of your life, or even 5 years if you're working, it is NOT.

Here's my story: My parents sent myself and 4 friends to Vegas for my 21st birthday. They gave me a credit card and told me to use it in case of emergency. Well, my emergency turned out to be that I lost $2k playing blackjack and I wanted that money back. I figured out how to access cash on the card and ended up getting close to 20k in advances from the Sands during the week. Obviously I could've just used that first advance to wipe out my blackjack loss, but I wanted to 'make it' back. Well, of course by the time I was at the airport on the way home, I couldn't even afford a Crossianwich from Burger King.

My parents kicked my ass. Not because of the dollar value, although that was awful as well, but because I had been an absolute jerk who had taken advantage of them. I worked 3 jobs in university to pay that money back, even though my parents were still covering my tuition and living fees. It took me 2 1/2 years, and at times I thought I would die from exhaustion, but I did it. Most people here will have a bad gambling story if they've been at this for long enough. The point is: they're still here to tell it. Please get help with all of this.