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    Out of the US books, which do you feel has the sharpest numbers?

    Some take higher limits than others. Some are quicker to limit players.

    But out of all youíve seen, whose numbers are the most respected?

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    God bless you reload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post
    Some take higher limits than others. Some are quicker to limit players.

    But out of all you’ve seen, whose numbers are the most respected?
    i like betrivers and DK for lines

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    Caesars. Not always, but they certainly can be. Over time, they've been the toughest for me to beat out of FD, DK, MGM, PB, Kambi.

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    Circa the leader in the United States, everybody copies them

    Places like rivers and numerous books run by Khambi are European run generic wide lines

    FanDuel makes their own numbers

    DraftKings do not know

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    Circa then a big gap to everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pologq View Post
    i like betrivers and DK for lines
    Have used both and I’m still not limited by them. Ok as outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Caesars. Not always, but they certainly can be. Over time, they've been the toughest for me to beat out of FD, DK, MGM, PB, Kambi.
    Interesting to hear that. I tried the casino on Caesars with a promo. Wasn’t impressed with the 8/5 video poker so I figured the sports book wouldn’t be much better. I keep getting emailed promos so might give it another try sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post
    Interesting to hear that. I tried the casino on Caesars with a promo. Wasn’t impressed with the 8/5 video poker so I figured the sports book wouldn’t be much better. I keep getting emailed promos so might give it another try sometime.
    Can't quite put my finger on it, but Caesars is not easy to beat.

    For others commenting on Circa, that could be also, haven't used them yet but they should be IL soon. Looking forward to that.

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    I got banned at Caesars when I used to live in Vegas. They never let me back in the total amount for a two month I lost $500 and never allowed to play there again itís a punk book


    They said Iím on a restricted list and cannot play there anymore. You wonder why most of these books donít make any money

    All I was doing was betting $2000 on baseball and of course betting the other side on a 10 cent arb at pinnacle

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Circa the leader in the United States, everybody copies them

    Places like rivers and numerous books run by Khambi are European run generic wide lines

    FanDuel makes their own numbers

    DraftKings do not know
    Have to agree with all I’ve heard about Circa, JJ. Has looked like a class operation with sharp numbers and big limits. No bans or limiting from anything I’ve seen. Wish they were in more states but the licensing and inroads are costly in some parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I got banned at Caesars when I used to live in Vegas. They never let me back in the total amount for a two month I lost $500 and never allowed to play there again it’s a punk book


    They said I’m on a restricted list and cannot play there anymore. You wonder why most of these books don’t make any money

    All I was doing was betting $2000 on baseball and of course betting the other side on a 10 cent arb at pinnacle
    And if you could do it again I bet you never would have made those Pinny bets.

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    Probably right

    happened a long time ago
    Now I bet tiny and they still wonít unlock the account

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    Highest limits and virtually zero backoffs or heat. Answer should be obvious.

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    Can any book be sharp when they take $10 max wagers from pros in USA??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Can any book be sharp when they take $10 max wagers from pros in USA??
    Nope. Any place limiting that much has no faith in their numbers or oddsmakers.

    They just make juice from hamburgers betting big on the wrong sides.

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    Itís circa and the then the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Itís circa and the then the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Can't quite put my finger on it, but Caesars is not easy to beat.

    For others commenting on Circa, that could be also, haven't used them yet but they should be IL soon. Looking forward to that.
    Thatís funny. I have a very similar opinion of Caesars.

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    reload the 3 i have barstool fanduel and caesars id say fanduel is the sharpest they juice the money line more i don't play it . but if they are off a 1/2 point on spread it seems to be on the right side more than not .. gl sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweethook View Post
    reload the 3 i have barstool fanduel and caesars id say fanduel is the sharpest they juice the money line more i don't play it . but if they are off a 1/2 point on spread it seems to be on the right side more than not .. gl sir.
    Yes it seems FanDuel will juice certain sides more to -115 and such. Those are usually the sides I want to bet, too.

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    Barstooll managed by 3rd party company which manages 4 other books same euro lines
    Stay away from The European model books

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    Caesars and Fanduel. They're also the slowest to limit and still will give you an ok limit even after they do.

    Obv not including Circa in this.

    And as a note, Caesars in Vegas is different than Caesars in the rest of the country. That may have changed recently, but for a long time they were different odds/apps.

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    Fanduel

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark star View Post
    Fanduel
    Sharp as in difficult to beat? Nah, man. Sharp as in they know how to market terrible bets to idiots, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey McPot View Post
    Circa then a big gap to everyone else.
    This pretty much ended the thread.
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    Fanduel and Caesars. The rest are garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Sharp as in difficult to beat? Nah, man. Sharp as in they know how to market terrible bets to idiots, for sure.
    Yup -118 on the losing side on spreads repeatedly. Thank you though for the--104 for the winning side. Lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    This pretty much ended the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reload View Post
    Have used both and I’m still not limited by them. Ok as outs.
    Good luck. Bet Rivers limits pretty quickly. I have not been limited by DK, but I am down there.

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    I can't recall many posts about Draftkings limiting "normal" bettors.

    Most reports of it seem to come from known serious players.

    So I think their player management is probably reasonably accurate at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I can't recall many posts about Draftkings limiting "normal" bettors.

    Most reports of it seem to come from known serious players.

    So I think their player management is probably reasonably accurate at least.
    Yeah probably, definitely not as ridiculous as MGM.

    Even with limits, I can still get decent volume as DK. Not nearly as good as FD, but not embarrassingly bad. Worth a roster spot. And they keep giving rewards despite the winning.

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