Patriots Success: Bill vs Brady. Time to put this to rest.

[The J-Dizzle]

This attempt to downplay the role and impact of coaches in the NFL is hilarious. Coaching won and lost that game yesterday. Patriots are always so prepared. And Kansas defensive schemes on the last drive were terrible with easy completions to Edelman. And Brady isn't the only QB that does audibles/killing plays.

You come across like someone who understands whats important milk, but obviously not.



Bill has more rings btw. Brady wouldn't have any rings with a bad coach.

[reigle9]

it's the combo, not hard to see and don't understand why it's even a question

[KingJD31]

I know this is a crazy thought but maybe they’re both good?

[ikid2groove415]

Switch coaches yesterday ? See who wins the game idiots !!! Once again they both benefit off each other

[ikid2groove415]

Take away mcvay from the rams lol- you will see how much coaching matters in football !!!

[blankoblanco]

I know this is a crazy thought but maybe they’re both good?

Ah, you're right, X and Y are both good so why should we debate which is better? It's not like we're sports fans or anything

[Goat Milk]

This attempt to downplay the role and impact of coaches in the NFL is hilarious. Coaching won and lost that game yesterday. Patriots are always so prepared. And Kansas defensive schemes on the last drive were terrible with easy completions to Edelman. And Brady isn't the only QB that does audibles/killing plays.

You come across like someone who understands whats important milk, but obviously not.



Bill has more rings btw. Brady wouldn't have any rings with a bad coach.

I already stated that Bill is the best coach in history... But he's just that, a coach. Stop comparing him to an athlete. Sports are made for players dude. For athletes. There weren't even coaches back in the day in sports like NBA. Players were the coaches. There is no league without the players. There is nothing without them. Anyone who tries to say a coach has more impact than the best thrower of a football on planet earth doesn't know what they're saying.

[Goat Milk]

What people don't understand is coaching and gameplan are all theories dude. You know how much harder it is to execute a gameplan, in real time, at those speeds, than it is to think of it in your head while sitting in your office watching films and eating Cheetos? Lol. Guys simply don't understand that nature of sports.

You can tell someone to force harden right, you can tell people to collapse the pocket on Brady. If the players don't win their matchups, exert their will, then your gameplan and theories go out the window.

Someone else said they watched Bill win with 3 different qbs? What rings does Bill have without Brady...as a HC? The answer is ZERO. He couldn't win with an All star like Drew Bledsoe. He couldn't win with Matt Cassel either. He couldn't even make playoffs! LMAO

[TheMoneyShot]

Great opening post by Goat... he hit the nail on the head...

The issue now is... how do you stop a young gun coach like McVay?

Brady and Belichick are going down.

In fact... the loss will cause a feud in the Patriots organization.... who knows??? Gronk.... Belichick... might be gone? Once Brady finds out... Brady will retire.

Rams much more sound on Offense... Defense... and special teams... better than New England.

[Goat Milk]

Great opening post by Goat... he hit the nail on the head...

The issue now is... how do you stop a young gun coach like McVay?

Brady and Belichick are going down.

In fact... the loss will cause a feud in the Patriots organization.... who knows??? Gronk.... Belichick... might be gone? Once Brady finds out... Brady will retire.

Rams much more sound on Offense... Defense... and special teams... better than New England.

Jared Geoff is not as good as people think. This game will expose him. Gurley....that's another story. He's the best player in the league and who knows what's going on with him.

Brady will pick this Rams defense apart. I don't think people realize how bad the Rams secondary is. Joyner, Peters, Roby Coleman are awful. These guys will get shredded, mark my words. Brady is the master of quick releases, so Donald and Suh are gonna get theres, but not as much as people think.

If Gurley is 100%, this is gonna be a game. If people think CJ Anderson is gonna do shit against the Patriots, LOL. Guy will be sent to where he belongs -- the ground. Bowling ball, out of shape, he was cut by every team for a reason.

[Seattle Slew]

This Rams team reminds me of the first Dallas team that won for Johnson. Won the title game on the road, vs. Hall of Fame QB and great team, then pounded Buffalo.

The Pats never, ever get blown out. But remember, Belichick could easily be 1-7 in Super Bowls. I keep waiting for them to win one in a blowout and they never do.

Lost twice to the Giants.
Lost to Eagles.
Should have lost without a doubt to Atlanta and Seattle if Bevel and Quinn had ANY brains.
Could have lost to the Rams and Panthers easily.

Only game they really controlled was the first Eagles game, and that one was still 7-7 at halftime.

[thomorino]

What a stupid thread, Belicheck already had the Patriots in the super bowl before Brady and Brady was a game manager his first 3-4 years in the league when the Patriots won 3 super bowls. Belicheck won 11 games with Matt Cassell at quarterback, the Patriots looked good with Garrapolo at quarterback too. If Belichick left the Patriots would fall apart, if Brady left they would take a step back but still be a playoff team.

The Patriots won 11 games with Cassell, they would have had the 2 seed most years.

[thomorino]

The dumbest thing about this thread is Brady is what he is large part because of Belichick and the Patriots coaches, he got benched his last year at Michigan, the Patriots coaches and organization are a huge part of why is this good today, he was nothing special his first couple years in the league.

[Str8Mush4Life]

The dumbest thing about this thread is Brady is what he is large part because of Belichick and the Patriots coaches, he got benched his last year at Michigan, the Patriots coaches and organization are a huge part of why is this good today, he was nothing special his first couple years in the league.

You're correct. He only won the Super Bowl 3 times out of the first 4 years as a starter after replacing Bledsoe with a paltry record of 48-14 to boot. He was definitely nothing special.

[thomorino]

You're correct. He only won the Super Bowl 3 times out of the first 4 years as a starter after replacing Bledsoe with a paltry record of 48-14 to boot. He was definitely nothing special.

Ah yeah, that was a different era, you could win running the ball and playing defense, which is what the Patriots did. Brady threw for less than 200 yards in the first super bowl against New England.

[Goat Milk]

This Rams team reminds me of the first Dallas team that won for Johnson. Won the title game on the road, vs. Hall of Fame QB and great team, then pounded Buffalo.

The Pats never, ever get blown out. But remember, Belichick could easily be 1-7 in Super Bowls. I keep waiting for them to win one in a blowout and they never do.

Lost twice to the Giants.
Lost to Eagles.
Should have lost without a doubt to Atlanta and Seattle if Bevel and Quinn had ANY brains.
Could have lost to the Rams and Panthers easily.

Only game they really controlled was the first Eagles game, and that one was still 7-7 at halftime.

So you can say Pats should have won both Giants games. The Catch by Tyronne or whatever that guys name was. Impossible catch off the helmet? And then the Manningham catch with Manning backed up in his own endzone? Just lofted it up? That's 2 more rings for the Pats. Giants won both games off pure luck.

ATL melted down. THat's not an ATL victory. Brady scored 30 points in the second half bro. End of Matt Ryan.

Seattle? Who says Seattle was even gonna win that if they scored a TD? They only would have been up 3... with 30 sec left and 2 timeouts for Brady. Who just scored 2 tds in the 4th against that seattle D. You telling me he couldn't get a FG?

[Goat Milk]

Ah yeah, that was a different era, you could win running the ball and playing defense, which is what the Patriots did. Brady threw for less than 200 yards in the first super bowl against New England.

And he threw for 500 in the last one, a record. Either way, he'll get no credit from you.

[Goat Milk]

What a stupid thread, Belicheck already had the Patriots in the super bowl before Brady and Brady was a game manager his first 3-4 years in the league when the Patriots won 3 super bowls. Belicheck won 11 games with Matt Cassell at quarterback, the Patriots looked good with Garrapolo at quarterback too. If Belichick left the Patriots would fall apart, if Brady left they would take a step back but still be a playoff team.

The Patriots won 11 games with Cassell, they would have had the 2 seed most years.

The fact you're measuring Patriot success off winning 11 games with Cassell shows how far you're reaching. We measure greatness by rings. You're talking about winning reg season games. LMAO. That's how I know you already lost this debate.

Comparing 11 wins and no playoffs to a superbowl victory. LMFAO. Brady haters will reach for anything. Cassell didn't make playoffs. I don't fukking care how many games he won. WHo fukking cares about reg season games? It's superbowl or bust. Cassell and Bill never won together. Bill and Garrapola sure as fukk wouldn't win together. And Bill never won with Bledsoe. Is that math too hard for you to do?

[thomorino]

The fact you're measuring Patriot success off winning 11 games with Cassell shows how far you're reaching. We measure greatness by rings. You're talking about winning reg season games. LMAO. That's how I know you already lost this debate.

Comparing 11 wins and no playoffs to a superbowl victory. LMFAO. Brady haters will reach for anything. Cassell didn't make playoffs. I don't fukking care how many games he won. WHo fukking cares about reg season games? It's superbowl or bust. Cassell and Bill never won together. Bill and Garrapola sure as fukk wouldn't win together. And Bill never won with Bledsoe. Is that math too hard for you to do?

Bill won plenty with Cassell and Bledsoe and he would have won a super bowl with Bledsoe and that defense, he only had Bledsoe for a short period of time. Matt Cassell is horrible, he's not a starting quarterback, if Belicheck can win 11 games with Cassell he can win a super bowl with a legit starting QB like Bledsoe.

Brady threw for 500 yards on an Atlanta defense that was tired in the 4th quarter, he need to throw for 500 yards too because he did almost nothing the first 3 quarters.

The Pats would still win the division every year with Garappolo instead of Brady, they'd still be a top 5 team, and they'd still be a contender. If Belicheck retired and Brady stayed the team would fall apart in a year or 2.

[Goat Milk]

Bill won plenty with Cassell and Bledsoe and he would have won a super bowl with Bledsoe and that defense, he only had Bledsoe for a short period of time. Matt Cassell is horrible, he's not a starting quarterback, if Belicheck can win 11 games with Cassell he can win a super bowl with a legit starting QB like Bledsoe.

Brady threw for 500 yards on an Atlanta defense that was tired in the 4th quarter, he need to throw for 500 yards too because he did almost nothing the first 3 quarters.

The Pats would still win the division every year with Garappolo instead of Brady, they'd still be a top 5 team, and they'd still be a contender. If Belicheck retired and Brady stayed the team would fall apart in a year or 2.

Your evidence of Bellichick being good is not making the playoffs with the same exact team just replacing Brady with Cassell.

You lose bro. I win. Stop talking.

[JIBBBY]

Wish the toilet bowl was this weekend..

This 2 week wait was always garbage. Strike the iron while it's hot I say, one week is plenty to get ready.. They milk it for the media hype and build up I guess...

[thomorino]

Your evidence of Bellichick being good is not making the playoffs with the same exact team just replacing Brady with Cassell.

You lose bro. I win. Stop talking.

There is no team in the history of the NFL that could win 11 games with Matt cassell as their starting QB other than NE, it was a total fluke 11 wins wasn't enough to make the playoffs.

[Goat Milk]

There is no team in the history of the NFL that could win 11 games with Matt cassell as their starting QB other than NE, it was a total fluke 11 wins wasn't enough to make the playoffs.

No, it wasn't it fluke. It's called sports. Things happen. Teams took advantage of Brady's absence. When's the last time Brady lost a dvision? I can't even fukking remember. The guy gets hurt for the whole year, and Patriots miss the playoffs. STFU with your won games. Giants won the superbowl with like 8 or 9 wins. Nobody fukking cares. How many times has Brady won 14 games in a season? Many. 12? Even more. 16? Yeah, he fukkin did that too. But guess what? NO ONE CARES. BECAUSE THE MAN HAS 5 RINGS AND 9 SUPERBOWL APPEARANCES!

Brady will retire in a couple years, and Bellichick won't. Bellichick won't win 1 superbowl without Brady. How much do you want to bet on it? I'll leave this site forever if Bellichick wins 1 ring as a HC without Tom Brady. If he doesn't you're gone forever. Deal?

[cincinnatikid513]

too much love for 12

[Str8Mush4Life]

Wish the toilet bowl was this weekend..

This 2 week wait was always garbage. Strike the iron while it's hot I say, one week is plenty to get ready.. They milk it for the media hype and build up I guess...

It is this weekend. They're playing it in Orlando...............

[JIBBBY]

It is this weekend. They're playing it in Orlando...............

Wouldn't that be nice..

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/afc-all-pros-nfc-all-pros-20190127032/

[Seattle Slew]

You really have no clue. Belichick won with Bledsoe? He went 5-13 with Bledsoe as his starting quarterback, including 0-2 in their first Super Bowl season before he got hurt. He would have gone 7-9 at best with Bledsoe in 2001-02 if he didn't get hurt.

You also say "Belicheck already had the Patriots in the super bowl before Brady."

What Super Bowl was that?

[QUOTE=thomorino;28369340]Bill won plenty with Cassell and Bledsoe and he would have won a super bowl with Bledsoe and that defense, he only had Bledsoe for a short period of time. Matt Cassell is horrible, he's not a starting quarterback, if Belicheck can win 11 games with Cassell he can win a super bowl with a legit starting QB like Bledsoe.

[ikid2groove415]

Only a
Few time where coaching didn’t matter - that was berry switzer with the 95-96 cowboys and Brian billick 2000 ravens

[Seattle Slew]

Belichick is 52-60 with quarterbacks other than Brady. You can be a great coach and still get beat without a good quarterback.

Chuck Noll couldn't win consistently when Bradshaw retired. Tom Landry actually did incredible when Staubach retired, 3 straight NFL title games with Danny White. They lost them all.

[ikid2groove415]

Belichick is 52-60 with quarterbacks other than Brady. You can be a great coach and still get beat without a good quarterback.

Chuck Noll couldn't win consistently when Bradshaw retired. Tom Landry actually did incredible when Staubach retired, 3 straight NFL title games with Danny White. They lost them all.

You think Brady is beating Bill? If you switch coaches last Sunday? Fck no !! Bill game plan vs KC was the biggest reason patriots won

[Goat Milk]

[Goat Milk]

Game over. I win this one.

[POOLSIDE]

Wasn’t a fair fight. Easy win.

[Goat Milk]

Wasn’t a fair fight. Easy win.

Easy to say in hindsight. I have many threads about this very topic over the years. I've been saying brady will go down as the goat since 2010. not many here made that prediction.

[Shute]

That’s why you are GOAT milk