The Shrink: why did he off himself? his wife?

Brock Landers · 04-13-10, 02:47 PM

I hope they left a note so there is no guessing involved.

pat venditto · 04-13-10, 02:48 PM

I think shrink killed his wife.

FreeFall · 04-13-10, 02:57 PM

You guys need to spend some more time worrying about yourself or your government which affects the world as a whole and let the poor guy be.

HUSALAH · 04-13-10, 03:03 PM

just opened some magazine Oddsmaker sent me, hes on the 1st page looking red as hell with a little smirk on his faacee, wonder if he was thinking then about drugging his wife and then killing himself, i wonder if they ****ed before offing themselves, id dip in some puss one more time if i were about to kill myself..

BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 03:03 PM

I have no idea, nor does anyone else at this point who is talking. You raise excellent questions, many or all of which may never be answered.

BatemanPatrickl · 04-13-10, 03:06 PM

My theory and this is just a theory is that Ken owed a ton of money and was in debt.

BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 03:31 PM

That certainly is possible. That is the leading cause of suicides amongst adults. It does not explain why his wife went with him, unless they had some kind of strange "pact", but something like that, while not common, is certainly not impossible.

pavyracer · 04-13-10, 04:01 PM

Common guys. Madoff owed billions, not millions, and didn't kill himself or his wife. It can't be for financial reasons. He can declare bankruptcy and go live in the boonies if he run out of money and got in debt. My guess is he was about to be indicted by the feds for illegal gambling activities and he knew too much that if he stayed alive he would have taken many powerful people down with him. He may have been given the option of suicide or being killed and found in a ditch and chose the most respectable way to die so his family wouldn't find him dead in a ditch.

Richkas · 04-13-10, 04:02 PM

The guy is not dead. It would be all over the media if that was the case. He is either running from the feds or snitched and is in hiding.

wal66 · 04-13-10, 04:02 PM

I didn't know the guy except from the various threads JJ had mentioned him in.

I can relate to this though because last week one of my mentor and friends killed himself. This was a man that in the my line of work in the state of Florida was renowned. He was even well known around the country in the EPA field. One of the most intelligent men I have ever known and absolutely loved or respected or both by anyone I have ever mentioned his name to. His wife left him several years ago because he spent so much time involved around the state with work or at least that was one of the reasons she gave him. He was never the same after she left though and while everyone that knew him understood his life had changed no-one knew the level of depression he was going through. It finally got to be too much and regardless of how much success he had or what he chose to do he couldn't escape the mounting sense of loss. He sent an email to one of my colleagues in a neighboring city telling him what he had done and requesting that he notify the sheriffs department and his daughter.

The thing about suicide is it leaves those left behind constantly questioning if they could have done something to help. No matter how much you feel you were there for support you always feels afterwards that maybe you could have done something else. The mind won't let go and we continue to question everything.

Speculating is how we deal with it but it does no good long term because we just never really understand it even if we finally obtain partial or even substantial information.

Richkas · 04-13-10, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Richkas

The guy is not dead. It would be all over the media if that was the case. He is either running from the feds or snitched and is in hiding.

This was the first ad the last time I comment on this. Believe me, I wish the story was true. I hate the cocksucker.

hoopster42 · 04-13-10, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Richkas

The guy is not dead. It would be all over the media if that was the case. He is either running from the feds or snitched and is in hiding.

i dont agree that it would be all over the media. outside of gambling websites which have much fewer posters than you think, no one knows who The Shrink was. this is not national news, not even regional news. sorry. and anyone who thinks he's still alive after everything that has come out is just ignoring all the facts and reports.

The Virginian-Pilot

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/04/police-investigate-deaths-chesapeake-husband-and-wife?cid=ltst

The Virginian-Pilot: Your source for Virginia breaking news, sports, business, entertainment, weather and traffic

local newspaper reporting it, family and friends from around the country flying, driving, trains, whatever, into VA for the funeral today, but this is all a hoax and he's in hiding? ludicrous, Richie

PAULYPOKER · 04-13-10, 04:13 PM

I almost got away with it

ID investigation discovery

BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by Richkas

The guy is not dead. It would be all over the media if that was the case. He is either running from the feds or snitched and is in hiding.

Why? This guy was nothing but some small potatoes gambler who started a couple of forums. Do you really think that 99% of the American people give a crap about what happened to him? Do you think that 99% of the people in this country even knew who he was? This news may be important to people who post on his sites, or people who gamble on line, but that is all. This was a nothing story compared to what goes on everyday in this country. You guys think that the world revolves around you and your gaming. Here is a clue. It does not. The vast majority of people in this country could give a crap about gamblers and what happens to them. Time to get real people.

Fishhead · 04-13-10, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Why? This guy was nothing but some small potatoes gambler who started a couple of forums. Do you really think that 99% of the American people give a crap about what happened to him? Do you think that 99% of the people in this country even knew who he was? This news may be important to people who post on his sites, or people who gamble on line, but that is all. This was a nothing story compared to what goes on everyday in this country. You guys think that the world revolves around you and your gaming. Here is a clue. It does not. The vast majority of people in this country could give a crap about gamblers and what happens to them. Time to get real people.

Not even close to 99%...........much higher.

jjgold · 04-13-10, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl

My theory and this is just a theory is that Ken owed a ton of money and was in debt.

Bingo

Marginalis · 04-13-10, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by batemanpatrickl

my theory and this is just a theory is that ken owed a ton of money and was in debt.

this.

hoopster42 · 04-13-10, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Why? This guy was nothing but some small potatoes gambler who started a couple of forums. Do you really think that 99% of the American people give a crap about what happened to him? Do you think that 99% of the people in this country even knew who he was? This news may be important to people who post on his sites, or people who gamble on line, but that is all. This was a nothing story compared to what goes on everyday in this country. You guys think that the world revolves around you and your gaming. Here is a clue. It does not. The vast majority of people in this country could give a crap about gamblers and what happens to them. Time to get real people.

this is true. ALL my buddies love sports like i do and follow it every day but not a single one of them has heard of The Shrink. he was definitely a much more important guy than the avg gambler but he was important to those of us who bet on sports and visit these message boards regularly. he was certainly a pioneer in this industry and deserves his due for what he did for sports gambling message boards and i'm sure w/all the bad people feel for him there are equally as many people who he helped w/offshore book disputes, loans, personal advice, etc. on the podcasts, he did sound like a very likable guy.

BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 04:37 PM

I knew him. I had some contact with him. He did not seem like anything special as far as his handicapping was concerned. I think that he had too many hotheads at EOG running the place. I like Blondie, but guys like MOFO thought they were God. They were also terrible handicappers, and would get pissed when you called them out on it. But he was no big deal to me. I never gave the guy a second thought. I am sorry that his life had toend the way it aparently did. I am more sorry for his wife. But to say that thos guy was some well known gambler and computer guru is so false that it boggles the mind. I guarantee you that if yo ask 100 regulars in Vegas if they knew this guy, 99 would say no. A few would say that theyheard of him, but that is because of what has happened recently. But the vast majority of people would say no. I know hundreds of gamblers, and so far, none of them say they knew him, or were even aware of his sites.

Brock Landers · 04-13-10, 04:40 PM

Either way, we shall not hear the guy again.

Chi_archie · 04-13-10, 04:42 PM

I'm just glad that we don't have guys on this board, that put their families well being.... possibly even livelyhood in the "gambling" mix, and in jeopardy...by gambling when they KNOW they shouldn't..... winning streaks or no winning streaks.... we all do what our families want here....

Brock Landers · 04-13-10, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

I'm just glad that we don't have guys on this board, that put their families well being.... possibly even livelyhood in the "gambling" mix, and in jeopardy...by gambling when they KNOW they shouldn't..... winning streaks or no winning streaks.... we all do what our families want here....

good points Archie!

jjgold · 04-13-10, 04:49 PM

Guys he was flat broke and owed over 700,000 in gambling debts

Lets drop this subject

dinaro7 · 04-13-10, 04:54 PM

i have it on good relations that he snithed on someone and went into witness protection her his wife has family in fla he is hiding in plane sight

Marginalis · 04-13-10, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Brock Landers

good points Archie!

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BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by dinaro7

i have it on good relations that he snithed on someone and went into witness protection her his wife has family in fla he is hiding in plane sight

You have it on good relations? What is that? And people do not hide in plane, as you worded it, sight. If you are hiding, you are not in plain sight. Boy you guys come up with some beauts.

jjgold · 04-13-10, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by dinaro7

i have it on good relations that he snithed on someone and went into witness protection her his wife has family in fla he is hiding in plane sight

you would not do all that to rat on a bookie

Scorpion · 04-13-10, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by pat venditto

I think shrink killed his wife.

murder suicide

PAULYPOKER · 04-13-10, 05:17 PM

I don't understand if you as a book give some one credit to gamble with sooner or later you are not going to get paid BACK its inevitable so this question arises do books/mobsters like the taste of blood more than that of money???

PAULYPOKER · 04-13-10, 05:23 PM

Bullseye · 04-13-10, 05:27 PM

I dont think he would be facing jailtime for running a book because its out of the country, the governments authority can only go so far... once you are out of the country they can't do anything

BigdaddyQH · 04-13-10, 05:30 PM

Let me try to explain it to you. First, if it is obvious that whoever owes you the money will NEVER be able to pay any of it back. Normally, if there is any chance of recovering any monies owed, they will go that route.

Next, it all depends on the monies owed. Ordering and paying for a "hit" (wich is what you are refering to) is a dangerous and expensive operation. The more well known the potential victim is, the more it will cost you to take him/her out. You must make a decision, if you are the person who makes these kinds of decisions.

There are so many other ways to get someone to make good on their debts today, that a hit would be a very extreme move. There are laws that enable books to collect on bad debts. They can seize property, bank assets, and any other asset that the person owing them money may have. I am not sure about every law in every country, but I know they are on the books.

The days of the 60's Mob rule in Vegas are far behind us. Legal means and stiff prison sentences have replaced knuckle and knee cracking. I really doubt that if this were a hit, it was over just money alone. If he and his wife were, in fact, taken out, there probably is a lot more to the story than meets the eye.

Scorpion · 04-13-10, 05:33 PM

How much was his house worth? maybe enough to pay his debts.

PAULYPOKER · 04-13-10, 05:36 PM

Good enough Thanks BD