Best QB ever?

[element1286]

in PA - All timers - Montana, Marino, Kelly, Unitas, Namath
An MVP in Rich Gannon
And young potentials - in Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco,
and other solid QBs like Marc Bulger, Matt Schaub

I am sure I am missing many

Jeff Hostetler and George Blanda were from PA. I guess Gus Ferotte and Charlie Batch were at one time decent qb's.

[philswin]

In coming up with the best ever you have to determine the criteria - is winning in the regular season a factor?, is winning Super Bowls a factor?, is the talent surrounding you a factor? Is the system you are in a factor?

If I could start a franchise today and take any QB in his prime (since 1975 lets say). I would take Elway he had all the skills to fit into any system, could through accurate and was extremly mobile. He played in many systems during his career and exceled.

If you take winning (especially Super Bowls) into consideration you got to say Montana is best

Marino was a perfect fit for Shula system and the best pure passer

Elway, Montana, Marino best QBS since 1975 - Manning and Brady may challenge that list at some point

[daneblazer]

Steve Tanneyhill
Spergeron Wynn
Steve DeBerg
Joey 'strawberries' Harrington
Joe Tereshinski

[element1286]

In coming up with the best ever you have to determine the criteria - is winning in the regular season a factor?, is winning Super Bowls a factor?, is the talent surrounding you a factor? Is the system you are in a factor?

If I could start a franchise today and take any QB in his prime (since 1975 lets say). I would take Elway he had all the skills to fit into any system, could through accurate and was extremly mobile. He played in many systems during his career and exceled.

If you take winning (especially Super Bowls) into consideration you got to say Montana is best

Marino was a perfect fit for Shula system and the best pure passer

Elway, Montana, Marino best QBS since 1975 - Manning and Brady may challenge that list at some point

If given the choice, I'd probably take John Elway as well.

[B1GER1C828]

jamarcus russel

[B1Bomber]

1. Otto Graham
2. Dan Marino
3. Johnny U

By the way, if you are reading anything Peter King writes, you must stop immediately or may suffer irreparable brain damage. I'm no shrink, but if there is a mental illness labeled "narcissistic sociopathic psychosis syndrome" Peter King is the poster boy

[MOONCRICKET]

johnny unitas wouldnt hold a clipboard for any nfl team today. otto graham and sammy baugh wouldnt even get one invitation to one mini-camp and it is also likely that all 3 would never play one down in college if they were all playing today. this is not their fault - the game has changed obviously dramatically since their hey-day- terry bradshaw might and i say that gingerly be a 3rd stringer today. but the reason that i would have to agree with all 3 or 4 of them being on this list is because if we are talking history they were "The MAN" way back then and you cant fault them for the game not yet having evolved enough or the fact that a receiver who ran a 4.7 was considered a blazing speed merchant - how fast do you think hall of famers don maynard, fred biletnikoff, lance alworth, and raymond berry were because these are the guys who would make anyones top 12 list and all of them would likely not see much playing time at all in todays's college game much less nfl and without a doubt would never be considered HOF material.

dont fault the player for the era he played in. just see how he dominated his position in the time he was out there. who's a better QB - otto graham or joe montana? are you kidding me? thats not even a question. otto graham may as well be jim otto for the purpose of that comparison.. but in his time otto graham was hands down - "the MAN" among boys. today there isnt a college team in the country that he could play backup for including divison II.

the game has changed but whenever any top 10 list is compiled it is only fair to segment into eras and say of the 80's or since 1970 or the best of the 50's etc etc etc. because in all reality there is not one pro athlete pre-1960 who would even have a roster spot on any nfl team today. the exception being maybe jim brown and i say maybe. maybe jim brown could backup correll buckhalter out in denver. maybe jim brown might be the 4th rb in pittsburgh behind parker, mewlde moore, and mendenhall.... maybe...


otherwise these top 10 lists are fun to put together but impossibly unfair and honestly not even worth the effort if you are going to include guys from 30-40 years ago and beyond.

i encourage contrasting points of view... but i cant really imagine any one in their right mind having one.

regards,
moncricket

[B1Bomber]

Well that's the whole point isn't it? Of course it's not possible to state how Unitas or Graham would do against Pittsburgh's present defense...we rate them on their circumstances at the time...and by the way I do think Johnny U would hold his own in today's game

[nohuddleoffense]

top quarterbacks of all time in my opinion are as follows

1. Dan Fouts (greatest quarterback in my favorite teams history=best quarterback to me)
2. John Elway
3. Joe Montana
4. Peyton Manning
5. Steve Young

Yeah I'm young

[stats13]

statistically young was the best ever

[jjgold]

There is difference between great qbs and great winners let's not forget that.

[twentyonekid]

johnny unitas wouldnt hold a clipboard for any nfl team today. otto graham and sammy baugh wouldnt even get one invitation to one mini-camp and it is also likely that all 3 would never play one down in college if they were all playing today. this is not their fault - the game has changed obviously dramatically since their hey-day- terry bradshaw might and i say that gingerly be a 3rd stringer today. but the reason that i would have to agree with all 3 or 4 of them being on this list is because if we are talking history they were "The MAN" way back then and you cant fault them for the game not yet having evolved enough or the fact that a receiver who ran a 4.7 was considered a blazing speed merchant - how fast do you think hall of famers don maynard, fred biletnikoff, lance alworth, and raymond berry were because these are the guys who would make anyones top 12 list and all of them would likely not see much playing time at all in todays's college game much less nfl and without a doubt would never be considered HOF material.

dont fault the player for the era he played in. just see how he dominated his position in the time he was out there. who's a better QB - otto graham or joe montana? are you kidding me? thats not even a question. otto graham may as well be jim otto for the purpose of that comparison.. but in his time otto graham was hands down - "the MAN" among boys. today there isnt a college team in the country that he could play backup for including divison II.

the game has changed but whenever any top 10 list is compiled it is only fair to segment into eras and say of the 80's or since 1970 or the best of the 50's etc etc etc. because in all reality there is not one pro athlete pre-1960 who would even have a roster spot on any nfl team today. the exception being maybe jim brown and i say maybe. maybe jim brown could backup correll buckhalter out in denver. maybe jim brown might be the 4th rb in pittsburgh behind parker, mewlde moore, and mendenhall.... maybe...


otherwise these top 10 lists are fun to put together but impossibly unfair and honestly not even worth the effort if you are going to include guys from 30-40 years ago and beyond.

i encourage contrasting points of view... but i cant really imagine any one in their right mind having one.

regards,
moncricket

you sound like a mooncricket.........you are a fool

[Scorpion]

Best QB ever?

John Elway

The only time Tom Brady won anything was when he CHEATED

He should not be on any list

[TRE1968]

joe montana

[kmarinouofm]

Wow,you mean face of a "losing" franchise !
Stick someone's face off of the ONLY undefeated Pro Football Team...EVER , as the Face of a winning Franchise ! Hello !
How about Czonka or Greise,or... ?

ABe you kinda look like a monkey right now.. The dolphins went to the playoffs almost ever year during the Shula and Marino era!! They were a winning franchise..

[philswin]

Brees

[quote=element1286;2271250]Get back to me when he gets even remotely close to winning anything.[/quote

He won something

[warriorfan707]

[smitch124]

Sure would've loved to see what Steve Young could've done if he didn't keep running into the best team in NFL History, the early/mid 90s Cowboys, seemingly every year in the NFC championship game.

[warriorfan707]

I wouldnt call those Cowboys teams the best teams of all time, Montanas Niners of the late 80's would have had their way with them

Also don't forget Young handled the Cowboys in 94

[Tree Rollins]

maybe one of the most under rated QB's all time. His name is rarely mentioned when discussing greatest QB's.

I am with you however. He would make my top 10

Wonder where Kelly would rank if he could have pulled out at least one of those 4 super bowls.

[xxxvince]

tony montana scarface

[DwightShrute]

Wonder where Kelly would rank if he could have pulled out at least one of those 4 super bowls.

for me, the same position.

[Jasonal_98]

I actually think that Jim Kelly would be in the top 15 or so if he had pulled off a win.

[Tree Rollins]

for me, the same position.

Could be, what if he would have won 2 though, or 3?

Same could be said about a lot of guys though, i'm sure. Coulda shoulda woulda i guess.

[PingPong]

you gotta have tony romo in there

[DwightShrute]

Could be, what if he would have won 2 though, or 3?

Same could be said about a lot of guys though, i'm sure. Coulda shoulda woulda i guess.

Perhaps, but to me it's a team game also. It wasn't his fault alone they went 0-4 in the Superbowl.

Warren Moon had over 70,000 passing yards in the CFL and NFL and his Number was retired in Edmonton. 5 Grey Cup Championships. I seen him many times play, he was one of the best to ever play QB

[Scorpion]

Brett Favre

40 year old
33 TDs
7 INTs

[warriorfan707]

you gotta have tony romo in there

[DwightShrute]

you gotta have tony romo in there

oh my stomach

[dodger33]

Tom Brady = most overrated. In his first year as a starter since high school matt cassel proved that jarmarcus russel could have had a winning season with those pats teams. When Brady doesn't have 7 seconds to throw the ball to wide open receivers he is useless.

[THEGREAT30]

there is no single best IMO

[warriorfan707]

Sure there is... his name was Joe.

[onlooker]

Favre has always been overrated.

[Superman455]

I agree for the most part, Honorable Mentions = Dan Fouts, Ken Stabler, McNabb. Just my 2 cents

[Vangel330]

why Tom brady rank so low??