If Health Care Bill Passes This Country Is Fukked

[daggerkobe]

First of all, Sourcewatch.org describes Health Care America's base of support as "consumer choice advocates, including employers, individuals, hospitals, pharmaceutical manufacturers, pharmacy benefit managers, health care professionals and others."

"Health Care America was one of several industry-funded organizations to engage in media outreach around the Michael Moore movie "Sicko," released in June 2007. The New York Sun reported."

so it's hardly "nonpartisan"

Secondly, Moore never said health care was "free" in Europe. He repeatedly said Europeans were drowning in taxes. It's pretty obvious u never watched it along with the other uninformed neonitwits.

[daggerkobe]

ncpa.org........ A conservative website funded by insurance companies. You cant make this shit up.

[durito]

US OPEN: 13-6 -75.66 units


are you sure that's not your french open record?

[daggerkobe]

Jealous of the +100 units I won in baseball, burito?

I knew u would be considering ur +EV plays always go 1-5.

[losturmarbles]

No one in the USA has ever proposed a public only system. The clowns suggesting otherwise are making shit up. A public option only serves to provide competition. If the private system is so good, it will continue to prosper. If the gov't system is better, it will have to change.

it's nice you believe the rhetoric you are told, and fail to apply any rational thought to the premise of government "competing" with the private sector. how can an entity that makes up the rules, artificially sets prices, and isnt required to make a profit going to fairly compete with a private company? that's absurd.

if obama really thinks that competition is the answer, then why not let insurance companies compete and remove the government red tape and obstructions that are out there now?

it's not about improving the quality of health care, nor lowering the price of insurance, it's about government seizing control of the health care field, like they have with banks and the auto industry. it's about nationalization.

obama has the nerve to call insurance companies "the middle man", wtf do you call the government offering the same thing? what makes the government somehow more trustworthy and more virtuous than those it condemns?

besides it comes down to who do you trust more, yourself or government? who should be making decisions about your health care, yourself or government? who should be deciding how your money is spent, yourself or government?

obama said

There are those on the left who believe that the only way to fix the system is through a single-payer system like Canada’s, where we would severely restrict the private insurance market and have the government provide coverage for everyone. On the right, there are those who argue that we should end the employer-based system and leave individuals to buy health insurance on their own.

I have to say that there are arguments to be made for both approaches. But either one would represent a radical shift that would disrupt the health care most people currently have. Since health care represents one-sixth of our economy, I believe it makes more sense to build on what works and fix what doesn’t, rather than try to build an entirely new system from scratch. And that is precisely what those of you in Congress have tried to do over the past several months.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz0QltrASS3

lol so what exactly "works"? besides we're suppose to trust what obama "believes"? given his marxist record, that's a great idea. he's clueless on health care anyway. this is the guy that accuses pediatricians of removing healthy tonsils from children for profit, even though the procedure is done by a surgeon, not the pediatrician. or that surgeons will unnecessarily amputate feet of a diabetic because they will make 30-50k from the procedure.

obama must be one of the "clowns ...[that] are making shit up" that youre talking about.

[Sam Odom]

Nothing is free.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

[DrStale]

There is a 60% chance that this health care bill is a great thing for the US, based solely on the fact that JJ created this thread.

Seriously, how many time times does this guy need to show you how little he knows before you stop listening to him?

[jjgold]

If you voted for Obama you have to be very stupid and have no clue about our Country
He is the worst Pres of all times already
Obama and Dems like to be controlled and have gov't make all your decisions

[wtf]

jj you really should watch SICKO, not a big fan of moore, but this movie is an eye opener

and massive greedy forces at work in america to block this move by obama

[Willie Bee]

If you voted for Obama you have to be very stupid and have no clue about our Country
He is the worst Pres of all times already
Obama and Dems like to be controlled and have gov't make all your decisions

JJ, if things get rough and you lose your job down at the gas plant or water treatment facility or wherever the hell it is you really do work, just let me know pal and I'll help you out. I can always chip in a few dollars so you can buy another one of those $45 foil pie plates with antipasta. God bless, ace.

[xstud]

My 2 cents on the subject... I think that with health costs out of control and having to go through hell and back with an insurance company to get treatment you need and deserve I think this bill is long overdue. For people that think this will "socialize" and destroy the country... Look where we are now? At this point being the only democratic nation without some form of national health care system it is just a tragedy.

I also think that people have to remember "What if?" As other people have mentioned... If you lose your job and are down and out and you lose health insurance.. what would you do? In this economy/market it is not as simple as just "getting another job".

While I don't agree with a lot of things the government does I think that anything that helps "the people" is something that I can support.

Just my 2 cents

[Hybris]

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health
systems.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[jjgold]

I just think it is minority driven plan and the plan does not care about old people as it basically wants to kill the off. The last time I looked this was not a socialist Country. Socialism does not make a nation prosper as it severely limits private enterprise.

Man you guys should move to Italy and tell me how you like it.

Obama is trying to destroy free America and remember he us a fukkin Muslim deep down and a racist.

I think I just won the thread With this post and I want 500 points for it.

[paco]

JJ, whats wrong with Muslims!???!!?!

[Hybris]

I just think it is minority driven plan and the plan does not care about old people as it basically wants to kill the off. The last time I looked this was not a socialist Country. Socialism does not make a nation prosper as it severely limits private enterprise.

Man you guys should move to Italy and tell me how you like it.

Obama is trying to destroy free America and remember he us a fukkin Muslim deep down and a racist.

I think I just won the thread With this post and I want 500 points for it.

Yes Bush did a much better job for 8 years then Obama ever will.

[xstud]

I just think it is minority driven plan and the plan does not care about old people as it basically wants to kill the off. The last time I looked this was not a socialist Country. Socialism does not make a nation prosper as it severely limits private enterprise.

Man you guys should move to Italy and tell me how you like it.

Obama is trying to destroy free America and remember he us a fukkin Muslim deep down and a racist.

I think I just won the thread With this post and I want 500 points for it.

I think the best way to sum up government is like this...

Nobody will ever be 100% happy no matter who is in office.

[BestPlay2day]

Something needs to be done, can't keep going at this pace watching insurance costs skyrocket and your deductiable goes higher every year. Glad we had our kids when we did because the hospital stay and the high deductibles would have killed our budget. Also, these assholes in congress shouldn't get free healthcare coverage anymore. They should have to pay what most of us pay with high premiums, high deductibles, and high co-pays when they see their doctors.

[SilversunPickups]

If the best doctors in their field can't get their same salary with the government controlling health care, they will be leaving for other countries. The only reason why the U.S. has the best doctors in the world is because they come here because they get paid for their specialties.

If the government runs our health care, it will be like every other government or state programs....long lines, bad customer service, tons of paperwork and unhappy people. Has anyone ever went to a county hospital?? I have and it sucks! It was disgusting, long lines, one doctor for 20 people and they just shoved medicine in my face and I was done. County hospitals are for lower income or college students that the state pays for part of their health care. Thanks for the lower costs but it was very gross. Like I said in an earlier post, they didn't even have paper on the beds between patients and they didn't wipe the beds down between patients. This was in Chicago, not some third world country.

And this program will cause the deficit to soar which will mean hospitals will have less money to buy equipment and supplies.

As long as their are options for people to choose a private insurance company or use the government plan, I'm ok with it. If not, we are doomed.

Again, there are bigger problems to worry about than trying to run up the deficit and fight Congress and the American people over this. Almost 60% of Americans disapprove of this government health plan. This is an Obama agenda. The citizens don't want this right now. I think everyone is missing that point.

Why don't our elected officials ever listen to us? haha

[Willie Bee]

The only reason why the U.S. has the best doctors in the world is because they come here because they get paid for their specialties.

Well then, all the more reason to do this since according to JJ there are too many minorities already coming to America.

[SilversunPickups]

Secondly, Moore never said health care was "free" in Europe. He repeatedly said Europeans were drowning in taxes. It's pretty obvious u never watched it along with the other uninformed neonitwits.

I agree. Europeans are drowning in taxes but most do get some kind of healthcare coverage. So I'm not sure how we are supposed to have "free" healthcare without higher taxes.

It boggles my mind how this $1 trillion program won't raise taxes or cause major cuts in other programs. Again, I think there are bigger problems we are facing than healthcare right now.

[bettilimbroke999]

JJ, whats wrong with Muslims!???!!?!

Check the date, thats the only introduction America has to the Muslims

[MrMonkey]

Well then, all the more reason to do this since according to JJ there are too many minorities already coming to America.

Let all the minorities come here as they like, but for God's sake let them at least pay for health care by putting something back into the system? WB, we could talk war stories and drink beer all night on this subject!

[DrStale]

JJ, whats wrong with Muslims!???!!?!

Newsflash: JJ has the cultural awareness of a 7 year old.

[tacomax]

Amazing the number of people who think that the government is going to run the healthcare system. Staggering, even.

[DwightShrute]

[bigguyz]

JJ you couldn't have said it any better! It this thing passes im leaving the country, because we are gonna have to get our selves out of the major financial hole what it puts us in!

F**k Obama

If you voted for Obama you have to be very stupid and have no clue about our Country
He is the worst Pres of all times already
Obama and Dems like to be controlled and have gov't make all your decisions

[DrStale]

He certainly showed his stupidity, but then again he made $200,000 in contributions the next day. Win, lose or draw?

[bigguyz]

Hybris answer me this why does everyone come here to get healthcare, that list you have is way wrong, we are by far #1 its not even close....sry buddy

[DrStale]

JJ you couldn't have said it any better! It this thing passes im leaving the country, because we are gonna have to get our selves out of the major financial hole what it puts us in! F**k Obama

You're not going anywhere, and you were probably one of those people who told the liberals to own up to their statements when they said they would leave the country if Dubya was elected.

BTW, there was just a bit of a financial hole before Obama took office, such short memories you hardliners have.

[DwightShrute]

BTW, there was just a bit of a financial hole before Obama took office, such short memories you hardliners have.

Ya, caused mainly by the Democrats

[DrStale]

Ya, caused mainly by the Democrats

Yeah, when there's a Republican in the White House, you say Congress is ruining everything and suddenly when there's a Democrat in the White House its the President who now has the ability to ruin everything. I'm sure it works the other way around as well but W certainly didn't do this economy any favors.

That said I don't feel the need to get into a political scuffle for the umpteenth time so I'll agree to disagree Dwight.

[Sam Odom]

Regardless the party of the president he cannot spend a dime that hasnt been given to him by the congress.

[losturmarbles]

Amazing the number of people who think that the government is going to run the healthcare system. Staggering, even.

they already do. what's staggering is the number people oblivious to it.

[losturmarbles]

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health
systems.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

The losturmarbles' ranking
of SBR's most ignorant posters.

1 Hybris

[brock]

If Health Care Bill Passes This Country Is Fukked

So what your saying is nothing is going to change.