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EnkhbatSBR MVP
- 04-18-11
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#141Comment -
PanamaBradSBR Wise Guy
- 03-22-11
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#142Many of the international players have no options in the store. YET, SBR prize structure says BTC awarded to the top finishers. Now, how is it that they can pay out BTC to international players from the tournament final BUT can't offer that in the store? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever UNLESS you just want to limit your exposure to paying out international players.Originally posted by bracermanBeing in exactly the same situation I second this. One of the main reasons i’ve been playing less at SBR, although the new format sounds really good! Bodog was great, really unfortunate that option was removed.Comment -
MannyfanSBR Sharp
- 03-18-15
- 262
#143I think Genie is trying to help me, but she has been looking at this for more than a month. Something broke for sureComment -
katstaleSBR MVP
- 02-07-07
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#144In Panama, screwing/stiffing Gringos is considered an Olympic sport. I bet I have said "no tourista" 10,000 times over the last 13 years, but they still try. Not sure if Costa culture is the same way, but it probably is. Having said that, I didn't notice any of them running SBR. So, I am always perplexed as to why SBR has chosen to go down this path. I have been unable to use points EVER, but still played with them and occasionally helped out others who could actually use them. I held out hope that eventually someone in authority would put something in the store for us. Bottomline is its SBR's ball, bat and backyard. So they can make the rules and change them and move the goalposts etc etc whenever they want to. I can hear them singing.... nah na nah nah, nah na nah nah, hey hey hey goodbyeOriginally posted by PanamaBradMany of the international players have no options in the store. YET, SBR prize structure says BTC awarded to the top finishers. Now, how is it that they can pay out BTC to international players from the tournament final BUT can't offer that in the store? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever UNLESS you just want to limit your exposure to paying out international players.Comment -
SBR DrewSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-08-18
- 7351
#145Tables now using 1k chips...opinions?Comment -
CrusherrrSBR MVP
- 06-27-16
- 3662
#146For the lightning series this is fine. In other series I'd keep the 1500. The point of this series is quick, shorthanded, "lightning" poker. It's good you guys are trying new things.Originally posted by SBR DrewTables now using 1k chips...opinions?Comment -
bobbywavesSBR Posting Legend- 05-06-08
- 13280
#147Just when I thought poker changes couldn't get any worse, now this.Originally posted by SBR DrewTables now using 1k chips...opinions?
Starting stack should be increased, not decreased.
It's easy to set up a poll, why are changes implemented without a vote?Comment -
franklee168SBR Hall of Famer
- 03-06-11
- 5544
#1481000 chips should be accompanied with a bump in prize money. Maybe adding 500 points to the total prize pool. This should satisfy most. Thanks Drew.Comment -
SBR DrewSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-08-18
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#149Sounds good Ill vote first.Originally posted by bobbywavesJust when I thought poker changes couldn't get any worse, now this.
Starting stack should be increased, not decreased.
It's easy to set up a poll, why are changes implemented without a vote?Comment -
blankoblancoSBR MVP
- 11-18-11
- 3461
#150Fits with the lightning theme and it's only a month, I'm cool with it. Gamble gambleComment -
bobbywavesSBR Posting Legend- 05-06-08
- 13280
#151That's the problem. Lower starting stack is more "gamble," removing the skill from poker.Originally posted by blankoblancoFits with the lightning theme and it's only a month, I'm cool with it. Gamble gamble
Why stop at 1000, why not lower the starting chips to 100? Where does this insanity stop?Comment -
bobbywavesSBR Posting Legend- 05-06-08
- 13280
#152Originally posted by SBR DrewSounds good Ill vote first.
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SBR DrewSBR Hall of Famer
- 01-08-18
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#153Abraham Lincoln
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't …” … please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).
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pavyracerSBR Aristocracy
- 04-12-07
- 82668
#154Drew the faster you make the tourneys the better. If we can cut down from 90 minutes to 60 minutes by lowering the starting chips to 1000 I'm all for it.Comment -
5mike5SBR Aristocracy
- 09-21-11
- 52141
#155this would satisfy all the people.Originally posted by franklee1681000 chips should be accompanied with a bump in prize money. Maybe adding 500 points to the total prize pool. This should satisfy most. Thanks drew.
and that still not even what it use be for the dailies payouts
Like the changes for qualifying.Comment -
OldschoolGamblerSBR Sharp
- 09-30-13
- 402
#156This and "Pay all the people all the time" would be niceOriginally posted by 5mike5this would satisfy all the people.
and that still not even what it use be for the dailies payouts
Like the changes for qualifying.Comment -
OVAKULSBR MVP- 09-16-17
- 1546
#157thisOriginally posted by pavyracerDrew the faster you make the tourneys the better. If we can cut down from 90 minutes to 60 minutes by lowering the starting chips to 1000 I'm all for it.
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5mike5SBR Aristocracy
- 09-21-11
- 52141
#1583pm was over before the break with 30 entered. Pretty goodComment -
ArunShSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-24-07
- 6818
#159As I stated earlier, 1000 chips makes it less skill but makes the tournaments much faster on the whole, and I personally like that. Sure, higher variance in the short-term, but in the long-term results should not change much.
And having to devote less time per day to the dailies is nice, will save everyone time in the long run which I like - it isn't always easy to devote an hour and a half on a daily basis to such an event. An hour is quite a bit better, again why not save everyone 30 minutes or so per day? I do have a feeling that the tourneys being an hour instead of an hour and a half will likely encourage more to participate as it's less of an overall daily commitment.
In any case, whether your initial reaction is to agree or disagree with the changes, I think everyone should at least give them a fair chance, try the new format for a couple weeks, so you can at least express a more informed opinion. Who knows, maybe in a few weeks, I will feel similarly to some others that these changes are terrible and will want to go back to the old format. But again, I want to give it a fair try before jumping to such a conclusion.Comment -
bonzaiiSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-07-17
- 5002
#160ballot closedOriginally posted by bobbywaves
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bonzaiiSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-07-17
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#161Idea perfecta SBR. Mantenga las ideas ducles, humedas y fresca que vienenComment -
KrashmanSBR MVP
- 07-24-09
- 3768
#162All in tournaments.Originally posted by bobbywavesWhy stop at 1000, why not lower the starting chips to 100? Where does this insanity stop?
Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.Comment -
bobbywavesSBR Posting Legend- 05-06-08
- 13280
#163English translation: Keep cool, wet & fresh ideas coming via vote.Originally posted by bonzaiiMantenga las ideas ducles, humedas y fresca que vienen por votacion.Comment -
bobbywavesSBR Posting Legend- 05-06-08
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#164More all ins, less actual poker play.Originally posted by KrashmanAll in tournaments.
Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.
That's basically what's been implemented here, without even voting on it first.Comment -
franklee168SBR Hall of Famer
- 03-06-11
- 5544
#165Pokerstars races back in the day!Originally posted by KrashmanAll in tournaments.
Everybody automatically all in every hand until there is a winner.Comment -
GUMMO77SBR Hall of Famer
- 08-23-10
- 9294
#166Man, people just want to flip and not actually play poker, eh?Comment -
blankoblancoSBR MVP
- 11-18-11
- 3461
#167Probably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change
I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different storyComment -
OptionalAdministrator
- 06-10-10
- 62327
#168Helps with beating the botsOriginally posted by GUMMO77Man, people just want to flip and not actually play poker, eh?
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GUMMO77SBR Hall of Famer
- 08-23-10
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#169It's not really poker with the structure like this, it's hitting hands, which is much different than actual poker.Originally posted by blankoblancoProbably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change
I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story
And I get that people don't want to waste the extra half an hour, but for me personally I would rather play a game of skill than a luck-box (more so now than in the past) tournament.Comment -
GUMMO77SBR Hall of Famer
- 08-23-10
- 9294
#170I have my people working on thisOriginally posted by OptionalHelps with beating the bots
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ArunShSBR Hall of Famer
- 09-24-07
- 6818
#171Originally posted by blankoblancoProbably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change
I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different story
Exactly right. Of course in a way it's best if skill is the largest element in terms of who makes it. But it's not quite that simple. Sure if each tournament went say four hours cause the stacks were super deep, and blinds went up very slowly that would be more skill intensive in the long-term. But assuming the payouts are same, no one on the site would play pretty much if the tourneys took four hours! So there is a line between making it reasonably skill intensive while making the tourneys so tedious/long that people don't want to devote time to play them on a daily basis. And where exactly is that line best placed? No way to know for sure, but they want to try something else and see if it works. As I said, I think everyone should give it a try for a couple weeks before immediately denouncing it.
An idea for the future Drew. I highly doubt this would be done, but it would be interesting - kind of based on the format of the World Cup Finals in past.
Instead of three tourneys per day, twelve tourneys per day - one starting at every hour from say 11 AM EST to 10 PM EST (or something of that sort). Each person can only play one tourney per day still, and each tournament is maximum 10 players (a single sit n go essentially, and 120 people total would be able to play each day which I think would be enough). Each tournament pays out 200 points total (so still 2400 total for the day as it is currently), say Top 3 in each with payout 100-60-40 (just like a regular sit-n-go which pays out Top 3).
I think this format could be interesting for two reasons: one that the wide variety of starting times would make it easier for people to play, compared to having exactly three starting times, none of which might work for some folks. And second, since each tournament would always be a one table tournament, it would be much shorter than a thirty to forty person multi-table tournament (whether the starting stack is 1500 or 1000, certainly shorter than its counterpart with three to four times as many people).
Anyway, just an idea. Am curious what others think about this. If they do this type of format with 1500 starting chips, it might appease those who feel like 1000 chips doesn't provide enough play while also satisfying those who feel that playing for at least an hour, generally an hour and a half if you get really deep, is too long. Perhaps could satisfy both sides!Comment -
mpaschal34SBR Posting Legend
- 02-04-13
- 12087
#172Originally posted by SBR DrewTables now using 1k chips...opinions?
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tradeoutSBR MVP
- 01-01-14
- 2539
#173tremendous quoteOriginally posted by SBR DrewAbraham Lincoln
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't …” … please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln).
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StryderSBR Wise Guy
- 03-10-14
- 668
#174I really like the new "lightning" format. Makes poker really exciting
Also think that ArunSh's ideas sound pretty cool!Comment -
bonzaiiSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-07-17
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#175I think we should make it a 10 max 10,000 starting stack with 25 mins levels for the dailies.Originally posted by blankoblancoProbably more that some people don't want to spend over an hour to maybe win pocket change
I wouldn't bother with the tourneys if I didn't enjoy poker, but given the low stakes, a tourney every weekday gets pretty old at least for me. If the stakes were higher it'd be a different storyComment
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