Derrick Rose vs Lebron: More Talented?

SlickFazzer · 04-20-09, 01:33 PM

Need to wait until 2019 to make this choice.

HoulihansTX · 04-20-09, 01:36 PM

Lebron just is a physical freak who's talent seems to be nowhere near reaching its ceiling. Lebron can play 4 positions well. It seems as though anything Rose is capable of Lebron is too.

Rose lighting quick who can finish a good foot above the rim. He is pretty much Tony Parker, with hops and a jumper.

WileOut · 04-20-09, 01:38 PM

Eric Gordon of the LA Clippers is just as fast as Rose. Rose is an inch taller than Gordon. Gordon shoots 39% from 3 point range, Rose shoots 22%.

Rose is not going to be even in the same breath as Lebron James. Rose just had 1 great game. It won't last.

However I will agree that Rose and Gordon are the 2 fastest players in the NBA. I've seen them both live extensively.

Gordon just needs a shot to play in the playoffs. He doesn't have a chance to play in the playoffs on the team he plays for. Wait until he does.

Gordon is actually probably a little quicker and a little more powerful than Rose. Rose is taller and leaner and just as fast though.

TORONTOBBALL · 04-20-09, 01:44 PM

i agree rose just had one good game hes a good player but everyones hyped up on him cuz of this one good game i didnt hear anyone talking about him like this during the season.

SBR Lou · 04-20-09, 01:44 PM

WileOut,

Fair enough but I'm not basing my thread on his playoff performance. I watched him when he was with Memphis and followed him here and there during the year, but thus far he seems worth every penny that the #1 draft pick commanded.

Lebron is a great defender, team leader, facilitator, amazing finishes at the rim, but his jumpers and FT shooting aren't really there. I don't think Lebron is the best player in the NBA and probably won't ever unless he develops a reliable J and can hit FT's over 70 something %.

jjgold · 04-20-09, 01:48 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!R ose is a fukkin midget physically and mentally. Lebron already is the top 5 all time greats at 24.

Kyleben · 04-20-09, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Gordon just needs a shot to play in the playoffs. He doesn't have a chance to play in the playoffs on the team he plays for. Wait until he does.

Gordon is actually probably a little quicker and a little more powerful than Rose. Rose is taller and leaner and just as fast though.

unfortunate it might be awhile till we see gordon unless he can force his way out of L.A. I saw him play at indiana and he has really worked on his jumper, looked very good this year, but he cant create like rose.

Also everybody always forgets to mention tony parker when they talk about quickness, there are not many players i would pay more money to watch than tony

Ralphie1412 · 04-20-09, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Eric Gordon of the LA Clippers is just as fast as Rose. Rose is an inch taller than Gordon. Gordon shoots 39% from 3 point range, Rose shoots 22%.

Rose is not going to be even in the same breath as Lebron James. Rose just had 1 great game. It won't last.

However I will agree that Rose and Gordon are the 2 fastest players in the NBA. I've seen them both live extensively.

Gordon just needs a shot to play in the playoffs. He doesn't have a chance to play in the playoffs on the team he plays for. Wait until he does.

Gordon is actually probably a little quicker and a little more powerful than Rose. Rose is taller and leaner and just as fast though.

eric gordon?wow

jjgold · 04-20-09, 02:03 PM

Rose is a good player but lets wait and see. I think he will never be real consistent because of his shot and size. Lebron can play lie crap and barrel in for like 28 or so and get rebounds, play D and get assists.

yostertoaster · 04-20-09, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

Think about this one before saying Lebron immediately..

1) Derrick has a better first step, Deron Williams of Utah said he believes Rose is the fastest player in the NBA right now.

2) Derrick can actually hit a free throw, and is a better shooter all around.

3) Derrick has shown all the signs of being the same team facilitator and "make guys better" type of player that Lebron does, and this will only improve with time.

He may never touch Lebron's hype, but he may prove to be the best PG in the league in a couple of seasons..

CAN ACTUALLY HIT A FREE THROW???? they have the same ft % and lebron has a better fg % .....he has one decent game and this is a topic....amazing

WileOut · 04-20-09, 02:05 PM

Yes its true. I have seen them both on the same team. Gordon is quicker than Rose. They both run like deers, it was the most unreal thing I've ever seen in my life, I was sitting courtside for 4 games. They were playing on the same team. Rose was the point, Gordon was the 2. They were playing against the best AAU teams in the nation, and it was a constant fast break with each finishing with dunks that could win the dunk contest.

The go to guy was Gordon. This was 2 years ago. I've also seen them play live in the pros. Gordon is quicker than Rose and Gordon is stronger.

At the time of the AAU tourney they were both planning on going to Illinois. I sat right next to Roy Williams. Coach K, Barnes, Calhoun, they were all there. I heard scouts talking about it was the best backcourt they had ever seen at that level.

The_Kid · 04-20-09, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

However I will agree that Rose and Gordon are the 2 fastest players in the NBA. I've seen them both live extensively.

Wile, did you word that incorrectly. I find it hard to believe that Eric Gordon is one of the top two fastest players in the NBA.

Lebron James? Tony Parker? Chris Paul? T.J. Ford?

Ralphie1412 · 04-20-09, 02:12 PM

wow willie, wow......no comment

daggerkobe · 04-20-09, 02:35 PM

It should be Rose vs. Gordon vs. Mayo....... not Rose vs. LeBron.

1 good game and he's suddenly LeBron's equal?

5 star bomb · 04-20-09, 02:44 PM

haha what a fukkin joke... I love Rose but please lets not compare him to one of the all time greats....

and lets also please not compare Eric Gordon to Rose... LOL, Rose is faster and better than Eric G

BatemanPatrickl · 04-20-09, 03:05 PM

I've seen Lebron play live and trust me when I say this...HE IS A FREAK OF NATURE. Guy makes people look stupid without trying.

jjgold · 04-20-09, 03:32 PM

Mayo will be better than Gordon because he is a better all around player and taller which is critical in todays game.

2daBank · 04-20-09, 03:44 PM

i like rose alot but better jumper than who? really he shot great other nite and may make himself a better shooter like the great 1's do over time but this kid cant shoot at the moment. what was his 3 point % on the year like22% or some shit? lebron may not shoot consistantly but at least he not afraid to fire from downtown

hanco21 · 04-20-09, 03:55 PM

no brainer....Lebron. Rose will come back to reality tonight.

smitch124 · 04-20-09, 04:01 PM

um hello? The Cleveland Cavaliers, yes the CLEVELAND CAVALIERS had the BEST record in the NBA this year.

hello?

yisman · 04-20-09, 04:07 PM

Rose is not the fastest player in the NBA and he isn't close to LeBron's talent level.

As for free throws, LeBron is not a liability there. He shot 78% this season. Rose shot 78.8%. It's a wash.

Rose is not even a better shooter, and he's a guard! He's supposed to be able to shoot from the outside. 22.2% from 3 is awful. Think about it. LeBron's weakness is his outside shot. He's still a better three point shooter than Rose.

Also, Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA and I'd take his potential career over Rose's or any other guard.

yisman · 04-20-09, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

WileOut,

Fair enough but I'm not basing my thread on his playoff performance. I watched him when he was with Memphis and followed him here and there during the year, but thus far he seems worth every penny that the #1 draft pick commanded.

Lebron is a great defender, team leader, facilitator, amazing finishes at the rim, but his jumpers and FT shooting aren't really there. I don't think Lebron is the best player in the NBA and probably won't ever unless he develops a reliable J and can hit FT's over 70 something %.

Lou, this thread is absurd. You're clearly not familiar with either player's statistics.

You want us to consider it, but you won't even look at the facts.

Your argument is completely wrong, which is not surprising, since you apparently think Rose is a clearly better shooter than LeBron and LeBron is Anderson Varejao from the FT line. Neither is the case.

5 star bomb · 04-20-09, 04:17 PM

Lebron is 6'7" 260 lbs and is one of the fastest players in the game. He is truly a freak of nature and cant be stopped. He is unreal, no way should Rose be compared to him right now.

SBR Lou · 04-20-09, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by yisman

Lou, this thread is absurd. You're clearly not familiar with either player's statistics.

You want us to consider it, but you won't even look at the facts.

Your argument is completely wrong, which is not surprising, since you apparently think Rose is a clearly better shooter than LeBron and LeBron is Chris Douglas-Roberts from the FT line. Neither is the case.

What has Lebron's FT % been each year he's been in the league?

yisman · 04-20-09, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

What has Lebron's FT % been each year he's been in the league?

LeBron from the line is almost exactly Rose from the line.

Derrick Rose: 78.8% (197/250)
LeBron James: 78% (594/762)

So LeBron got to the line more than THREE TIMES as often, and shot .8% worse. That's your reason for saying Rose is on his level?

Unreal.

SBR Lou · 04-20-09, 04:24 PM

No I'm just looking at some of the stats you referenced. Can we take this back and look at Lebron's FT % each year? I doubt he has even hit 78% from the line before this season.

yisman · 04-20-09, 04:25 PM

if you want to count before this year...

Rose at Memphis shot 71.2%.
LeBron NBA career: 73.8%

Forget about the rest of their games, if you ask me who I want at the free throw line, I'm taking LeBron, especially based off of Kansas-Memphis.

unde0087 · 04-20-09, 04:26 PM

this thread is a joke. Rose couldn't hold LeBron's jock strap.

yisman · 04-20-09, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by CrazyLou

No I'm just looking at some of the stats you referenced. Can we take this back and look at Lebron's FT % each year? I doubt he has even hit 78% from the line before this season.

I'm confused. Rose has never hit 78% from the line before this season either.

You're trying to say LeBron's 78% this season was a fluke?

Pick your poison. You want to use one season? Career? Either way, you have no argument at all.

This was LeBron's best season at the line and it was Rose's best season at the line. Rose never shot 79% in high school or college.

daggerkobe · 04-20-09, 04:26 PM

CluelessL

Shark79 · 04-20-09, 04:28 PM

Crazy ... this thread has no sense to it .... Lebron by far is a more complete player ... has SHOWN what a leader is all about and has brought up numbers that many will never accomplish .... putting Rose on a 1 on 1 with Lebron is simply just not right.

unde0087 · 04-20-09, 04:35 PM

lets not forget, just a year ago, Rose bricked the free throws that would have given Memphis a national championship. Instead he couldn't hit and the rest was history and now we are actually having a convo about Rose vs James.

that is like comparing Jordan to anyone else

d2bets · 04-20-09, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Eric Gordon of the LA Clippers is just as fast as Rose. Rose is an inch taller than Gordon. Gordon shoots 39% from 3 point range, Rose shoots 22%.

Rose is not going to be even in the same breath as Lebron James. Rose just had 1 great game. It won't last.

However I will agree that Rose and Gordon are the 2 fastest players in the NBA. I've seen them both live extensively.

Gordon just needs a shot to play in the playoffs. He doesn't have a chance to play in the playoffs on the team he plays for. Wait until he does.

Gordon is actually probably a little quicker and a little more powerful than Rose. Rose is taller and leaner and just as fast though.

Eric Gordon as fast as Rose??? As fast to what -- the buffet table?

Gordon is a better 3-point shooter for sure, but he is decidedly not fast. There is not even a comparison to be made on that point. Are you Eric Gordon's agent? I think Gordon can be a very good scorer for many years, though I don't think he'll be a great overall player and he is not fast or quick.

dwest718 · 04-20-09, 04:49 PM

This thread would have been legitimate a couple of years ago when the points brought up in the original post were actually valid and relevant (poor outside shooting, poor FT shooting, lack of "clutch-ness", etc.). However, unless you havn't watched any NBA basketball for the last 2 seasons this isn't really a question. Lebron is by far and away the best player in the NBA. Don't get me wrong, Kobe is a better "scorer" and DWade is very good. Derrick Rose is a ****ing phenomenal point guard and is one of the best in the league. But when a guy is not even the best player at his position (possibly not even in the top 3), I don't see how you can ask if he's more talented than the best player in the league.

I'd rather CP3, Deron, or Parker @ point guard. Ask me that same question in 2 years and it becomes much more difficult.