obama sending more troops

[losturmarbles]

This country is diverse and made up of many. It is what it is. Lets leave the bs scare words behind (communism) and support whats right.

made up of many what?

no scare tactics. without capitalism, you die. who needs rights when youre dead?

how and why did america gain independence from england?

freedom and libertry aren't possible without capitalism.

[InTheHole]

[reno cool]

made up of many what?

no scare tactics. without capitalism, you die. who needs rights when youre dead?

how and why did america gain independence from england?

freedom and libertry aren't possible without capitalism.

poor guy

[ryanXL977]

freedom and liberty arent possible without capitalism

wow

thats a well traveled, well read man

case closed

come on dude

[andywend]

I wonder why all the cities in the "Bay Area" where Ryan resides are all going bankrupt?

The vast majority of Northern California is run by socialist liberals who Ryan must strongly support and the entire state is on the edge of bankruptcy even though they collect more in state taxes than any other state in the country.

I lived in California all my life until late 2003 and left to get away from people EXACTLY like Ryan who represent all that is wrong with my great country.

As I said earlier, to those who so strongly support socialism, there are a plethora of countries for you to choose from that offer that way of life. Choose the one you like the best and stop shoving your twisted beliefs down the throats of Americans who want NO PART of it.

[pico]

ryan pelosi, where is my tax refund?

[wtf]

understand california just passed its biggest tax hike ever

enjoy ryan and your ilk, make sure all the illegals there get great health care and housing, and able to purchase guns to rob you with

[Hotdiggity11]

And all those plans were put into place before the election campaigning even started. The war in Iraq started winding down BECAUSE WE WON THAT WAR months before the election. Obama didn't change ANYTHING about the policy in Iraq. The 24 month withdrawal plan was negotiated with the Iraqis and put into place before the campaigning started. Now Obama promises to reduce that to 16 months but the Iraqis want no part of that.

The plan to shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan was also put in place long before the election.

Obama hasn't changed ANYTHING about either policy.

Fighting the Afghani people in the name of propping up a central government that the people neither want nor support is complete idiocy. Obama is carrying out a losing policy. So, how is he better again?

We didn't dismantle the Iraqi military. Saddam sent everyone home, the entire government, and the police, and the military so that the country would fall into chaos in order to carry out a protracted guerrilla war. Sadaam had years to plan this guerrilla war. Many Iraqi units were trained in irregular warfare. The US did not dismantle the Iraqi military, there was no organized military left to dismantle. That is also why the electricity, water, telephones, internet, food distribution, fuel distribution all stopped working. The government ran all those things and Saddam sent all the government workers home.

Next time you post how much The Messiah is in geo-politics do a little reading and try to know what the **** you are talking about.

You are posting a bunch of "They woulda done this" statements in the transition from the previous administration to this one. I could care less if Bush was "planning" to send more troops into Iraq, he also planned to reduce the size of the ****ing government in the 2000 election and look how that turned out. The facts are, Afghanistan has been largely forgotten for many years and has needed additional troops for a long period of time to continue to protect American interests. This is a fact. Due to ignoring signs of Taliban upheaval, we have left ourselves in a major quagmire within that region!

Obama was promoting a gradual plan to leave Iraq over a YEAR before Bush even tried to make such a negotiation with Iraq on a resolution. Some would even speculate Bush made sure such a resolution passed in order to get credit for the withdrawal and to be the one who ultimately dictated it over his successor. Either way, Bush failed in Iraq, from the initial invasion where he ignored Shinseki to waiting years before putting the appropriate numbers of troops in. Now the U.S. has to be the one to keep Iran in check, instead of having Iraq do it for us.

[Hotdiggity11]

Ryan, it is you that is INSANE and you don't possess the intelligence to shine Data's shoes.

The economic meltdown that our country faces was caused by democrats who kept pushing for looser and looser lending standards especially concerning those with lower income and minorities. They started the mudslide which quickly turned into an avalanche.

The above mentioned groups have always had higher default rates which is why the banks felt the need to charge them higher interest rates or avoid doing business with them altogether. It turns out the bankers were right and the democrats were wrong (big surprise there, LOL).

Ryan, the vast majority of societies outside the U.S. shun the free market system and believe in big government controlling everything. I sure do wish people like yourself would relocate to one of those countries instead of forcing your socialist bullshit down the throats of hard-working Americans who want no part of it.l

Huh? WTF are you talking about? Most economists are saying this economic meltdown is over a decade's worth of policy making. If we go on that assumption, blaming "TEH LIBRULS" for the mess would seem rather silly seeing how Republicans [The self-proclaimed conservatives] have been in charge for the better part of 15 years. Of course, many are blaming both political sides for ignoring the signs of this ****up as well as blaming both sides. Maybe you should jump on the sensible bandwagon?

[therber2]

Please, Curious enlighten me to what you'd propose.
I highlighted a blatant falsehood in your argument. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what your saying.
I have to be because that's just too ridiculous.

I think you have some valid, interesting points in your perspective. But you cannot base a society dependent on the good will of the rich. In any other context if you dare propose such nonsense you would be spat in the face. But, due to bombardment of elitist, right wing propaganda we have been exposed to since childhood some of us miraculously accept and support it.

Fvck the propaganda Reno. All that talk is just counterproductive. Curious has quite thoroughly and, for a sports based forum, generously taken his time to give his thoughts. Just read it or ask something more specific.

Curious, I don't care what righties or lefties say; you are a patriot with a sound, logical mind. We need people who care about America, opportunity, and liberty. Our rights and safety can't be compromised for anything. I'd say run for POTUS man, but you look like you probably don't bathe, and could possibly be old. I can smell your stench through that avatar.

[reno cool]

I have no intentions of letting you fools overrun the discussion. I'm happy to expose your bs assumptions at every turn.

[therber2]

I meant to say "Fvck the propaganda issue" Not your propaganda. I haven't read many of your posts...So hopefully you just misunderstood what I said.

[curious]

You are posting a bunch of "They woulda done this" statements in the transition from the previous administration to this one. I could care less if Bush was "planning" to send more troops into Iraq, he also planned to reduce the size of the ****ing government in the 2000 election and look how that turned out. The facts are, Afghanistan has been largely forgotten for many years and has needed additional troops for a long period of time to continue to protect American interests. This is a fact. Due to ignoring signs of Taliban upheaval, we have left ourselves in a major quagmire within that region!

Obama was promoting a gradual plan to leave Iraq over a YEAR before Bush even tried to make such a negotiation with Iraq on a resolution. Some would even speculate Bush made sure such a resolution passed in order to get credit for the withdrawal and to be the one who ultimately dictated it over his successor. Either way, Bush failed in Iraq, from the initial invasion where he ignored Shinseki to waiting years before putting the appropriate numbers of troops in. Now the U.S. has to be the one to keep Iran in check, instead of having Iraq do it for us.

No, I'm not. I am posting facts, something you seem to have a problem figuring out how to do.

The plans to wind down the Iraq war and shift the focus to Afghanistan were not just being talked about. The plans were drawn up, discussed, approved and orders issued long before Obama talked about "his" plan. Which was identical in all respects to the plan that had already been adopted, with the slight change of moving up the withdrawal timetable from 24 to 16 months, something the Iraqis rejected out of hand.

I'm not debating that Bush ****ed up everything he touched. I agree with you on that point. However, you are trying to give Obama credit for something that Obama had nothing to do with. Obama is simply continuing the plans that were already well in place before he came on the scene. Unfortunately, he gets to take "credit" for something that was already done.

You are dishonest in that you are twisting things to make it sound like the previous administration was only talking about winding down the Iraq war and shifting the focus to Afghanistan, when in fact they were in the process of carrying out a fully fledged plan to that end.

But, I have never talked to a DemoCong supporter who was not dishonest so that is no big surprise.

Bash Bush all you want, I don't support the man, so I don't care, but don't give The Messiah credit for things he had nothing to do with.

And, you also assume that continuing the war in Afghanistan is a good thing, which it is not. The Afghanis hate al-Qaeda but they hate foreigners more. Left to their own devices the Afghanis would drive al-Qaeda out of their country. But, now they have a common enemy so they will put their differences aside and fight the foreign occupier and the occupier's puppet regime. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the Afghanis don't view the Karzai government as a puppet regime.

Trying to prop up a puppet regime in Afghanistan is pure stupidity, if not lunacy.

The Islamofascists are now mostly based in Pakistan now, in the northwest tribal areas. What do you want to do, invade Pakistan? You think things are ****ed up now, stir up those lunatics and see what happens.

Oh, and our great "friends" the Pakistanis just released the person who is directly responsible for North Korea, Iran, Syria, and others obtaining nuclear weapons. Luckily, Israel had the good sense to blow up the Syrian facility before the Syrians could commit any mischief.

Khan will now put his "nuclear arms available for a price to anyone who wants to use them to kill Americans and their allies" marketplace back in business.

This should tell you how good "friends" the Pakistanis are of the US. A man who made it his life's work to get nuclear weapons into the hands of any Muslim who would use them against the United States and our allies has had pretty much a free hand to do whatever he wanted from his "house arrest" and now he has been released outright.

The Pakistanis are not our friends.

The only way to defeat al-Qaeda and the Taliban is to invade Pakistan. It would take an army of 10 to 20 million because EVERY able bodied Pakistani would pick up a gun and would fight a Christian invader. The invader would have to use tactics that would make the Russians blush. And even then you might lose.

This problem with the Islamofascists cannot be solved with slogans and by having the simple minded idea that the problem is that Bush didn't pay enough attention to Afghanistan and all that has to be done is to give "attention" to Afghanistan. Anyone who claims this knows nothing about the current situation.

[curious]

I have no intentions of letting you fools overrun the discussion. I'm happy to expose your bs assumptions at every turn.

So far you haven't addressed ONE specific statement I have made. Instead you talk in just repeat Obama sound bites and attribute beliefs to me that I don't have.

You keep talking like you assume I support Bush and everything he did. Please read my expose on the Bush family and you will see that that is a false assumption.

Either address points actually made with specifics or get off the ****ing board you ****ing liberal traitor.

[losturmarbles]

freedom and liberty arent possible without capitalism

wow

thats a well traveled, well read man

case closed

come on dude

case closed? lol

i dont know how traveling is relevant, and reading certainly hasnt enlightened you any. so unless youre just pretending to be naive and ignorant, your common response of reading and traveling is rather lame.

care to offer something of substance?
care to tell me where i'm wrong?

please tell me where youve traveled and how that makes a difference.
please tell me what youve read that proves me wrong.

without capitalism you have no freedom or liberty.

[losturmarbles]

I have no intentions of letting you fools overrun the discussion. I'm happy to expose your bs assumptions at every turn.

you really exposed me with this:

poor guy

[curious]

case closed? lol

i dont know how traveling is relevant, and reading certainly hasnt enlightened you any. so unless youre just pretending to be naive and ignorant, your common response of reading and traveling is rather lame.

care to offer something of substance?
care to tell me where i'm wrong?

please tell me where youve traveled and how that makes a difference.
please tell me what youve read that proves me wrong.

without capitalism you have no freedom or liberty.

I find it sad that after all the evidence as to what socialism does to people in terms of denying them freedom and liberty that you would even have to state this. But, liberals live in a fantasy world and are not willing to be dissuaded by facts.

It is pretty simple.

If you can't own anything, and your ownership rights are not protected by a strong legal system which does not allow the powerful to just come in and take what you have, then you cannot be free.

Most Americans do not yet understand that a people cannot be free as long as the government can and will steal their property at bayonet point. That is what taxation and "taking" of property through eminent domain are, theft at bayonet point. Never mind the stealing of property on trumped up criminal charges.

Things are bad enough in the US now and these idiots want to put die hard left wing nut jobs in charge of everything?

Freedom stems from being able to own things and being secure that they cannot be stolen by the government.

Socialists want to steal what you have and give it to those that they deem "deserving". This is the opposite of freedom.

It is that simple.

[ryanXL977]

in

understand california just passed its biggest tax hike ever

enjoy ryan and your ilk, make sure all the illegals there get great health care and housing, and able to purchase guns to rob you with

tax cuts didnt get us out of any rut we have ever been in
its yet another bankrupt gop idea

andywend has a very very loos grasp of whats going on in this country. minorities pay back their loans at a higher rate than do whites, so try again. youre pretty weak man, spewing shit out of your mouth that you learn on talk radio. does any "conservative " here actually have their own thoughts?

[nosniboR11]

ryan you are an ignorant ****, blacks pay there loans back faster, lol

You are the worse this board has to offer, your day is coming

[curious]

Fvck the propaganda Reno. All that talk is just counterproductive. Curious has quite thoroughly and, for a sports based forum, generously taken his time to give his thoughts. Just read it or ask something more specific.

Curious, I don't care what righties or lefties say; you are a patriot with a sound, logical mind. We need people who care about America, opportunity, and liberty. Our rights and safety can't be compromised for anything. I'd say run for POTUS man, but you look like you probably don't bathe, and could possibly be old. I can smell your stench through that avatar.

I'm 51, older than that teenager they just elected but half the age of the ancient one who ran for the Repubs.

I don't think people would like it if I was President. LOL.
Here are what my policies would be:
1. Trade - I would order all US companies to make their products in the United States or the leadership of those companies woudl be arrested. I would send trade negotiators to every other country and offer then 1 of 2 trade agreements. Agreement 1 - Fair trade in both directions with no subsidies, no tarifs, no artificially low currency valuations, no use of inferior substances like using poison in food (as China does routinely), no stealing US patents, no infringing on US trademarks and/or copyrights. If the country does not want to sign Agreement 1, then we sign Agreement 2 for them. Agreement 2 - Country ______ will have no future contact of any kind with the US. All citizens of Country ____ are immediately expelled from the US. All assets of Country _____ in the US are immediately siezed. Good luck in your future endeavors.

2. Immigration - I would immediately put 500,000 border guards on the US/Mexican border with orders to shoot infiltrators on site. I would order the construction of a 30 foot high, 30 foot wide "Hadrian's wall" on the US/Mexican border. I would put in all kinds of electronic surveillance devices on the border. Illegal immigration across the Mexican border would be OVER.

Give all illegal immigrants a choice. You can stay in the US under a special work **** which allows you to work (and you pay a special tax for the privelege). But, you cannot ever apply for US citizenship and your children will not be US citizens. Or, you go home, now, today. And I would make it the top national security issue to find illegal immigrants and make them make the choice to become legal under the work program or go home, and clean up this mess once and for all.

I would put the asylum cities under EXTREME sanctions so that they would stop that nonsense. And I would arrest the mayors of all asylum cities and send them to Guantanamo. When the liberals start marching and protesting because the illegals are being forced to become legal or go home I would arrest the liberals and put their traitorous asses in Guantanamo too.

3. Foreign entanglements. I would close all overseas US military installations and bring all US forces home. I would end all foreign aid of any kind. I would pull the US out of the U.N> and kick them out of the country. Stop all funding of the IMF, the World Bank, and the Import/Export bank.

4. Taxation - I would end all federal taxation. The federal government would get its revenue from properly managing the huge assets that the federal government owns. The federal government owns trillions of dollars worth of minerals, petroleum reserves, forests, prime real estate, you name it we own it in large amounts. Problem is that these assets are looted by Congress criminals who give them away to their friends. I would put an end to that nonsense.

5. Federal budget. I would make it illegal for the federal government to borrow money. I would cut the size of the federal government by 90%. I would cut the federal budget by 50%. I would put in policies that actually WORK with the basis of all policies to help people help themselves without a huge army of bureaucrats sucking away all the money so they can waste it.

6. Education. I would outlaw Sallie Mae and make college education free for anyone who can gain admittance on MERIT. I would end this nonsense that everyone is entitled to the same result. But, I would make colleges actually provide a real education. Right now college education doesn't mean anything because the curriculum has been so watered down to make sure that everyone can "succeed". What nonsense. I would outlaw the teachers union. I would require all classrooms to have no more than a 10-1 teacher / student ratio. I would require that the huge student warehouses be closed and replaced with small schools in each neighborhood so that children go to school near where they live in a school with 10-15 teachers and a principle teacher (Not a NAZI concentration camp commandant which is what most principles think they are). With a 10-1 teacher/student ratio this would be a school of 150 students. I would put the students in charge of maintaining the building. If the building gets vandalized they have to fix it, if it gets defaced with grafitti, they have to clean it. I would have the buildings built so that they generate their own power, heat and cool themselves, use solar lighting, recycle water, harvest rainwater, have a hydroponic greenhouse on top of the building to raise the food the children need for breakfast and lunch, and put the children in charge of growing the food. This way children would grow up seeing environmentally sound policies in action instead of them being bumper sticker slogans spouted off by some loud mouth liberal. Each teacher would have a teacher's aid.

Advancement to the next grade level would be by merit. If you can't do the work you can't advance. Teachers would be held accountable as to why their children are not learning (if they are not showing advancement). This idea that children could graduate high school not knowing how to read would be a thing of the past, someone's head would roll if a student could not read after about the 3rd grade.

7. Energy. I would set a deadline of 12 months after which importing oil would be illegal punishable by execution. Simultaneously I would launch a Manhattan style project to get the US off of imported oil through a combination of: 1) exploring for and drilling for oil anywhere it is found on US soil and offshore and the ****ing environmentalists can go **** themselves. 2) building coal liquefaction plants, 3) building tar sands refineries (the US has massive tar sands reserves), 4) building Shale oil refineries (the US has massive shale reserves), 5) building sugar cane ethanol refineries and ending the sugar cane allotment system and making federal land in Florida, Mississippi, Hawaii, the US Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Alabama, Louisiana, and Texas aviable for sugar cane growing. I would end the corn ethanol program. 6) Building liquefied natural gas refineries, 7) Construct fueling stations along all interstates that would supply a wide variety of fuel types, 8) Order all restaurants to sell their cooking oil to a bio-fuels system (right now they sell it to pet food manufacturers), 9) Launch a crash program in battery technology to make the electric car feasible. Also launch a crash program in solar technology so that solar cells can be made into the roof of the car to charge the batteries and a solar recharging station can be at every home, every office, any place feasible. 10) Set up a fast track permitting program so that anyone wanting to create an electricity facitiliy like wind, solar, hydro, clean coal, etc can get their permit in a few days instead of the 20 yeas that the environmental nazis demand with their constant lawsuits and endless public inquiry. 11) Provide funding for alternative electric facilities like wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, hydro, and some advanced technologies like using the pressure differential of the deep ocean and sea level, or using the temperature differential of the deep ocean and sea level, or using the saline differential at places where salt water and fresh water meet. 12) Immediately approve the turbo diesel engine and build manufacturing plants in the US to build this engine. The turbo diesel engine gets 50 MPG but the environmental nazis won't allow it to be used in the US. ****ing hypocrites. 13) Outaw the use of oil as a heating fuel and fund the installation of geothermal heat pumps so that people no longer need to use oil to heat their homes. Hey, dudes it isn't the 1800s anymore. 14) Replace the use of petroleum for motor oil with synthetic oil made from the jojoba bean. Set up large jojoba bean farms on federal land in the southwest.

8. Corruption in government. I would make giving any politician ANYTHING of value for any reason a crime punishable by execution of both the person giving the bribe and the politician. I would outlaw campaign contributions and tell every newspaper, magazine, TV station, radio station, every media outlet: "Operating int he US is a PRIVILEGE that we grant you, in return you will donate so much of your advertising space to people running for office and give this space out equally to all candidates. Any TV station or radio station that did not comply would immediately lose their FCC license.

I would make lobbying a crime punishable by death and kick all lobbyists out of DC. All foreign lobbyists would be deported immediately.

Corruption would be punishable by death for both the politician and the person giving the bribes or recieiving the benefits. So, a politician telling a buddy that property was going to be rezoned ahead of time so the buddy could buy the property and benefit unfairly would be a high crime and would be very vigorously prosecuted.

9. War on drugs. I would immediately end the war on drugs and disband the ATF and the DEA. I would decriminalize drug possession at the federal level . HOWEVER, drug smuggling and importation into the US of quantities of drugs would be punishable by death. I would hire enough custom agents so that EVERYTHING that enters the US can be inspected to ensure that there is no smuggling.

I would immediately pardon anyone every convicted for simple drug possession where there was no other crime involved like violence or robbery.

10. War on poverty. I would immediately disband the myriad social give away programs and replace them with one program. Anyone who wants to work can have a job. If you are already working and you need something basic then we will help you get it, but you have to do something constructive in return. You don't want to work? Fine, have a nice day. You can't work? There is SOMETHING constructive you can do. Okay, some people will be totally incapable of doing anything constructive, we will help them, DIRECTLY, no need to pay a bureaucrat six figures so they can look down their nose and say no.

11. "Vice" cirmes. You cannot legislate how people think and how they behave behind closed doors. I would get the government out of the morality business.

12. War on terror. The liberals are going to howl at this one. I would end all contact with all countries which are supporting the terrorists. This includes Saudi Arabia by the way. I would kick their embassies out of the country and expel anyone holding a passport from those countries.

I would send pictures of the moon to all politicians and all military leaders in the Muslim world. I would then have an announcement made on worldwide television in all languages. "Any attack on US soil by Islamist Jihadists will be responded to immediately by making Mecca and Medina look like the surface of the moon. If further attack occur then we will just go down the list of all Islamic holy sites turning them all into the surface o the moon". Then I would show pictures of the surface of the moon.

Any attack on Americans outside the US would be responded to by massive WWII style bombing of capital cities in the countries known to support and harbor terrorists. The Islamic world would be given a choice. Round up the terrorists yourselves and execute them or get the **** blown out of you because of the evil that they perpetrate.

[ryanXL977]

yes, im an ignorant ****. and youre yet another troll who follows me around to spread hatred of minorities, gays, and foreigners
what a world youd live in if you had it up to you
who built america?


capitalism is great, but i dont understand how you can say without it, we die. its foolish and has nothing to do with facts.
nothing. i am a capitalist, its my job. but to associate a way of making money with freedom of politics, rights, and liberties when there have been so many free men in so many countries for so long, without capitalism (for the rich, not the poor), is just ignorant.

we have long had socialism in america, and without further injecting capital into the banks, credit markets dry up

i would be willing to bet that 1 out of every 7 "conservatives" on here actually knows what this crisis is about, and where it came from.

[curious]

yes, im an ignorant ****. and youre yet another troll who follows me around to spread hatred of minorities, gays, and foreigners
what a world youd live in if you had it up to you
who built america?


capitalism is great, but i dont understand how you can say without it, we die. its foolish and has nothing to do with facts.
nothing. i am a capitalist, its my job. but to associate a way of making money with freedom of politics, rights, and liberties when there have been so many free men in so many countries for so long, without capitalism (for the rich, not the poor), is just ignorant.

we have long had socialism in america, and without further injecting capital into the banks, credit markets dry up

i would be willing to bet that 1 out of every 7 "conservatives" on here actually knows what this crisis is about, and where it came from.

Its pretty simple actually. If you cannot own, buy, and sell property without fear that it can be stolen from you at the whim of any government official then you cannot be free.

Socialism is tyranny because it allows government officials to steal at will.

Yes, we do not have capitalism in this country, we have a form of fascism.

We are not really free because we are not allowed to keep what we produce, it is stolen from us by thoroughly corrupt, dishonest elitists.

Obama would steal from us even more and make it even easier for officials to take what they want at whim.

So, why don't you enlighten the conservatives as to what caused the crisis and what it is all about, and how it can be solved since all the conservatives on here are so ignorant and you are such a genius. Please enlighten even us who are not conservatives. Mr. Genius.

[wtf]

curious and i are waiting san fran liberal, please enlighten us mr. economics genius

[ryanXL977]

i cant read his posts, he is on block, which is where i put almost everyone of you who says nothing about sports, rather you just mimic talking points. you have no idea what youre talking about on anything you say. you have no idea what a liberal is or if i am one. you dont think, you just parrot.
youre gonna join all these guys on block very soon. ive got like 10 newjackassesparrots on block

youre next, join shortstop, curious, milf,pimike, cloak, rjt, and the rest of em

[losturmarbles]

i cant read his posts, he is on block, which is where i put almost everyone of you who says nothing about sports, rather you just mimic talking points. you have no idea what youre talking about on anything you say. you have no idea what a liberal is or if i am one. you dont think, you just parrot.
youre gonna join all these guys on block very soon. ive got like 10 newjackassesparrots on block

youre next, join shortstop, curious, milf,pimike, cloak, rjt, and the rest of em

weak

[wtf]

his mind is too weak, like a five year old

he sure can dish it out though

enjoy fantasy land

love that one about minorities paying their loans back faster, you have proof of this? (loans below 100 dollars dont count)

[curious]

his mind is too weak, like a five year old

he sure can dish it out though

enjoy fantasy land

love that one about minorities paying their loans back faster, you have proof of this? (loans below 100 dollars dont count)

I'm guessing he is 12. Did you see this that he spouted about me?

everyone of you who says nothing about sports, rather you just mimic talking points. you have no idea what youre talking about on anything you say. you have no idea what a liberal is or if i am one. you dont think, you just parrot.

I never say anything about sports? Are you kidding me? I have had two daily threads all season where I post anywhere from 10 to 50 picks a day and I never say anything about sports?

I mimic talking points? My three multi part posts where I 1) prove why Obama lied when he talked about change and why Yes We can should be renamed Yes We Can NOT, 2) rip the Bush family to pieces, and 3) give 12 itemized points on how to fix this country, who's talking points are these I wonder?

I have no idea what I am talking about on anything I say?

I have no idea what a liberal is? Sure, I do, a liberal is a lying, traitorous, hypocritical piece of garbage who views itself as above everyone else and uses class warfare to gain power. A liberal wants to steal from anyone who is productive so that they can sit around and philosophize all day and feel good about themselves because they are helping the "common man" because their self esteem is so low and they have no skills so they cannot feel good about themselves due to their own efforts, they have to steal from others.

I don't think? I just parrot?

Geezuz what a jackass.

Let the crybaby put me on block, what the **** do I care?

[Data]

A quick search turns many articles that show pretty much the same picture. The article below seem to be one of the more relevant ones.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/02/1990s_fha_mortg.php

1990s FHA Mortgage Default Rates by Ethnicity

More news stories on Multiculturalism and Diversit Steve Sailer, VDARE.com, February 10, 2009
Thanks to reader Tino, who found this [2] HUD document [see below], here are the mortgage default rates by ethnicity for three vintages of 1990s FHA-insured mortgages. The sample size is 240,901 loans.
The [3] Federal Housing Administration insures smaller-sized mortgages of low and moderate income folks upon appraisal, so this is roughly an apples to apples comparison of fairly similar borrowers. In other words, we’re not comparing rich whites to poor minorities, at least not as much as if we were looking at the population as a whole.
Moreover, the FHA seems to have been somewhat more responsibly managed than most other sectors of the mortgage industry. And this data is from the 1990s when housing was a more boring sector of the economy than in the 2000s.
So, we’re looking at representative, long term ethnic differences.
As you’ll recall, late 1992 was when the Boston Fed, under the leadership of [4] Richard Syron, published a warmly welcomed study claiming that mortgage lenders discriminated against minorities and should be loaning more to minorities. As Peter Brimelow asked in [5] Forbes at the time, doesn’t that mean minorities should have lowerdefault rates?
But nobody in politics cared, and the study helped Syron get the top job at Freddie Mac, where he earned $38 million while piloting Freddie onto the rocks.
Default rates for 1992 vintage FHA-insured mortgages after 7 years:
White: 4.27%
Black: 10.81%
Hispanic: 13.18%
Default rates for 1992 vintage FHA-insured mortgages after 5 years:
White: 4.10%
Black: 9.14%
Hispanic: 9.47%
Default rates for 1996 vintage FHA-insured mortgages after 3 years:
White: 3.34%
Black: 6.93%
Hispanic: 6.99%
The source is

[2] Analysis of FHA Single-Family Default and Loss Rates
Prepared for:
U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development
Office of Policy Development and Research
Prepared by:
Robert F. Cotterman
Unicon Research Corporation
March 2004

Even when adjusted for FICO scores and other objective factors related to credit risk, minority default rates still look worse. Cotterman concludes:

Blacks, Hispanics, and those in judicial foreclosure states and underserved areas have higher conditional loss rates, other things the same.

So, the changes in policy and worldview that led to the gigantic increases in mortgage lending to minorities seen over the last decade (with total mortgage dollars written per year increasing [6] 691% for Hispanics and 397% for blacks from 1999 to the peak of the Housing Bubble in 2006) unsurprisingly led to world-historical levels of mortgage defaults in 2007–2009. After all, blacks and Hispanics were still defaulting at very high levels when they weren’t getting as much mortgage lending. The law of diminishing marginal returns suggests that throwing more mortgage money at them wasn’t going to improve their credit worthiness. In 2004–2007, minorities received half of subprime mortgage dollars handed out. A [7] new 2008 Boston Fed study shows minorities in Massachusetts getting foreclosed on subprime loans at twice the race of whites, suggesting that minorities accounted for a sizable majority of subprime dollars defaulted.
To the extent that we’ve had a debate over minority mortgage lending policy in the 18 months since the cratering of the subprime market (which we’ve barely had at all), it’s been along the ideological lines of More Regulation vs. Less Regulation.
And yet, when we look at the federal policy over the last four Presidential terms, what we see is more aptly explained by a different paradigm than Regulation vs. Deregulation:
Who? Whom?
The Clinton Administration both strengthened some mortgage regulations and loosened others, all in the name of increasing minority homeownership. In complete contrast, The Bush Administration loosened some regulations and strengthened others, all with the intention of closing the racial homeownership gap.
The results of all this “affordable housing” social engineering was to first make housing unaffordable, and then, when the world finally woke up to the fact that it wouldn’t be getting paid back on its mortgage lending, to smash the global economy.

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[2] HUD document: http://www.huduser.org/publications/...gleFamily.html
[3] Federal Housing Administration: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...Administration
[4] Richard Syron: http://vdare.com/sailer/080810_loans.htm
[5] Forbes : http://www.vdare.com/pb/050105_hiddenclue.htm
[6] 691% for Hispanics: http://vdare.com/sailer/081010_meltdown.htm
[7] new 2008 Boston Fed study: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/01/w...dly-small.html
Original article

[ryanXL977]

ah yeas, thanks for the help with amren.com

next time link to anncoulter please

[Data]

I want to note that not all minorities are equal in the cultural and financial habits. Asians are the most responsible borrowers, their loan default rates are lower than the default rates of Whites.

[reno cool]

So far you haven't addressed ONE specific statement I have made. Instead you talk in just repeat Obama sound bites and attribute beliefs to me that I don't have.

You keep talking like you assume I support Bush and everything he did. Please read my expose on the Bush family and you will see that that is a false assumption.

Either address points actually made with specifics or get off the ****ing board you ****ing liberal traitor.

I never accused you of being a Bush supporter. I'm addressing your idiotic statement that: "without govt interference the market will always grow to provide a job for everyone that needs one."
You can write a hundred pages of crap based on your faulty premise.

I don't know what Obama sound bites I'm repeating. Why don't you enlighten me.

[Data]

ah yeas, thanks for the help with amren.com

next time link to anncoulter please

You dismiss the facts due to the source the facts were compiled at, even though those facts agree with other sources, yet you are unable to provide any factual evidence to your claims. I think this is an unreasonable approach to discussion. Perhaps Curious is willing to devote more time to bashing you but I am not.

[ryanXL977]

my motto is this

any web site that has ads that say "the real martin luther king" or a picture of obama with a headline that says something like "transition to black rule," is not worthy of any reply,period.

enjoy your hatred of everyone who isnt you.

[reno cool]

you really exposed me with this:

just needed to highlight your statement "without capitalism you die"

I'm trying to collect a list of 10 most idiotic beliefs of right wing reactionaries. That one's the leader so far. Curious had a nice one too.

[ryanXL977]

quite an interesting amalgam of pseudo christians, imperialists, pro free market socialists, angry old dudes, and poor white trash

if these were ever in the same room they would rip each other apart

and if jesus came back , they would chop his head off bc hannity would tell them it wasnt the real thing