Horse Racing questions and answers

[Madison]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

[batt33]

Well... as you know Batt, it can be troublesome. But, the horse is in HOF hands in Cristopher Clement. If anyone can make this work, it is him.

We will hope for the best in the coming weeks Batt. Hang in there.

Thanks STR

[batt33]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

I like the Jockey trainer combo, It always scares me a little when a horse is doing something new I.E. the "stretch out vs others who already have.
1 horse has gone the distance and the 6 broke his maiden first time out going a mile and a 16th.
I would watch the odds/ will pays for a hint..

[Madison]

I like the Jockey trainer combo, It always scares me a little when a horse is doing something new I.E. the "stretch out vs others who already have.
1 horse has gone the distance and the 6 broke his maiden first time out going a mile and a 16th.
I would watch the odds/ will pays for a hint..

Yeah, as green as he seemed almost hope he fails but has encouraging effort.

What do you all think about these McKensies?

[batt33]

Love you get your thoughts STR on this workout by Caldera. Looks like the Jockey was asking him and using the whip. Do you think Lucas was using this as a teaching moment to go by the horse instead of the "herd mentality" he did in the Sunland Derby?
Compared to his last workout which seemed effortless.. this seemed like it took effort. the workout was a bullet.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1969428036.mp4


Caldera to the Louisiana Derby

Caldera worked five furlongs in company this morning at Oaklawn Park in preparation for his next start, covering the ground in a swift :59.60.

At this time we can confirm at this time that your son of Liam’s Map will have his next start in the $1 million Louisiana Derby (G2), Mar. 22 at Fair Grounds. Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas has booked Tyler Gaffalione to ride your colt, which many will consider an upgrade. Tyler is one of the top riders in the United States having been an Eclipse Awards finalist for outstanding jockey on multiple occasions. His strong-armed riding style will certainly complement Caldera’s running style. Entries for the Louisiana Derby will be taken tomorrow. We will be back with an update once entries are out.

[JBEX]

thanks batt and agree str ..nice to see her in capable hands ..added of interest the $3M sales topper was out of a liam's map mare (by gun runner)

just didn't want this to get passed over as it was a bottom page post..possibly you've seen or would've anyway



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[batt33]

Yeah, as green as he seemed almost hope he fails but has encouraging effort.

What do you all think about these McKensies?

He ran a heck of a race. I don't follow the Mckinzies to closely to be honest.

[batt33]

just didn't want this to get passed over as it was a bottom page post..possibly you've seen or would've anyway



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meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!
and speaking of Liams map.. one of the mares I have gave birth to a Liams map colt!

[batt33]

and then this happend.... Yesterday
Tiffany's Mo Update



Tiffany’s Mo presented with colic symptoms this morning and was taken to the clinic as a precaution. The cause of her colic is nephrospleenic entrapment, which is not an uncommon occurrence for mares after they foal. The hope is to avoid surgery, and so far they have been able to do that. She remains stable at this time. We will stay in contact with the clinic and with Gainesway and pass along any updates as they come to us.

then an update this morning!
Tiffany’s Mo Update



Tiffany's Mo worked through the nephrospleenic entrapment with medical support at the clinic and did not require surgical intervention. She and her foal have returned back to Gainesway this morning.

[JBEX]

meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!

so tiffany's mo is the dam of the liam's map colt ? either way glad she's ok

[batt33]

so tiffany's mo is the dam of the liam's map colt ? either way glad she's ok

She's the Mom!

[JBEX]

She's the Mom!

uncle mo an excellent dam sire ..lot's of potential there!

[JBEX]

I would throw a party if I got one for 22k. These Army Mules seem to overcome big odds regularly from the auction block.

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

[JBEX]

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

just realized you kind of answered that question in your post str lol

[str]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

Looks like he ran a decent race finishing 2nd. I did notice that the horse that beat him was one of only two horses that won from coming more than about 2 lengths off the lead all day. Did not watch all of the races but I do find that rather curious.

[str]

Love you get your thoughts STR on this workout by Caldera. Looks like the Jockey was asking him and using the whip. Do you think Lucas was using this as a teaching moment to go by the horse instead of the "herd mentality" he did in the Sunland Derby?
Compared to his last workout which seemed effortless.. this seemed like it took effort. the workout was a bullet.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1969428036.mp4


Caldera to the Louisiana Derby

Caldera worked five furlongs in company this morning at Oaklawn Park in preparation for his next start, covering the ground in a swift :59.60.

At this time we can confirm at this time that your son of Liam’s Map will have his next start in the $1 million Louisiana Derby (G2), Mar. 22 at Fair Grounds. Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas has booked Tyler Gaffalione to ride your colt, which many will consider an upgrade. Tyler is one of the top riders in the United States having been an Eclipse Awards finalist for outstanding jockey on multiple occasions. His strong-armed riding style will certainly complement Caldera’s running style. Entries for the Louisiana Derby will be taken tomorrow. We will be back with an update once entries are out.

Yes. I think that is exactly what Lukas had on his mind in doing that with the stick. A teaching moment. Don't know if it worked or not. We will see when he runs. That can be a really hard thing to try and break with some horses. But, some horses still have a serious will to win but just by a head. I think it is attention to detail things like that, that help separate trainers from horsemen.

And that most likely will not correct the issue overnight, but it definitely plants a seed in the horses brain as he matures.

GL Batt. We will be rooting for you !

[str]

meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!

Wow. Very nice new foal Batt.

[str]

and then this happend.... Yesterday
Tiffany's Mo Update



Tiffany’s Mo presented with colic symptoms this morning and was taken to the clinic as a precaution. The cause of her colic is nephrospleenic entrapment, which is not an uncommon occurrence for mares after they foal. The hope is to avoid surgery, and so far they have been able to do that. She remains stable at this time. We will stay in contact with the clinic and with Gainesway and pass along any updates as they come to us.

then an update this morning!
Tiffany’s Mo Update



Tiffany's Mo worked through the nephrospleenic entrapment with medical support at the clinic and did not require surgical intervention. She and her foal have returned back to Gainesway this morning.

Scary Batt. But... just another day at the barn. All the things that can happen. It is why I often say that no news is good news sometimes when it comes to horses.

Glad to hear she is OK.

[str]

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

I sure do. If I went to a sale and came home with 2-3 Army Mules, I would be thrilled.

I can't stress enough that I always found that heart, and the pure will to compete and win, outweighs any breeding, conformation and perfect health . I will opt for the former every single time. Horses, people, anything.

Search back for the James (Jimmy) Hamilton story that LKid asked me about a few years ago. Vinnie Perrone did a piece in some magazine/ paper about him. Good ole Vinnie, always really liked that guy. Great writer back in my time there.

And yes, the movie Rudy, is one of my all time favorites. Lol.

[JBEX]

by army mule ..oak R2 #2 battleoftheravine (8-1) @ 2:03

we saw his race 2 weeks ago ..got some useful conditioning off a 2 month layoff and adds blinkers

[str]

by army mule ..oak R2 #2 battleoftheravine (8-1) @ 2:03

we saw his race 2 weeks ago ..got some useful conditioning off a 2 month layoff and adds blinkers

I remember this one from 2 weeks ago.
Should improve today. I have to think he runs 1,2,3 in there somewhere.

The 11 is an interesting firster on paper at what seems like a nice price.

[JBEX]

I remember this one from 2 weeks ago.
Should improve today. I have to think he runs 1,2,3 in there somewhere.

The 11 is an interesting firster on paper at what seems like a nice price.

with the lack of works (except 1 slow 4f in jan) between races think lasting as well as he did was a good showing..what happened in feb lol

[batt33]

I sure do. If I went to a sale and came home with 2-3 Army Mules, I would be thrilled.

I can't stress enough that I always found that heart, and the pure will to compete and win, outweighs any breeding, conformation and perfect health . I will opt for the former every single time. Horses, people, anything.

Search back for the James (Jimmy) Hamilton story that LKid asked me about a few years ago. Vinnie Perrone did a piece in some magazine/ paper about him. Good ole Vinnie, always really liked that guy. Great writer back in my time there.

And yes, the movie Rudy, is one of my all time favorites. Lol.

Tagging along with STR. (and trying my best analogy ) For the best part every horse has a flaw( If they don't you are paying through the nose) . So bloodstock agents when looking at confirmation always have their opinion on what does and doesn't matter... ( head , Neck, balance withers, stride, tracking ,,,etc)based on previous success with those type of horses.. and the other is what STR said above ... the sire.... Heart and brains....
I remember( long ago) being around some of the most" mindless" horses for lack of better word you ever did see and wondered how they ever made it to the track vs some horses that just had the heart and brains and ran their tails off.. Think of " Bold Badget" sired horses vs some bigger named sires at the time.

So yeah great value for the horses and more likely to be more forgiving with conformation issues.

[batt33]

Scary Batt. But... just another day at the barn. All the things that can happen. It is why I often say that no news is good news sometimes when it comes to horses.

Glad to hear she is OK.

Thanks!

[batt33]

Yes. I think that is exactly what Lukas had on his mind in doing that with the stick. A teaching moment. Don't know if it worked or not. We will see when he runs. That can be a really hard thing to try and break with some horses. But, some horses still have a serious will to win but just by a head. I think it is attention to detail things like that, that help separate trainers from horsemen.

And that most likely will not correct the issue overnight, but it definitely plants a seed in the horses brain as he matures.

GL Batt. We will be rooting for you !

Thanks STR! I was kinda thinking the same thing ... it may take a little longer than just one workout... Found a post after ward ( not sure if it is true) that Lukas thought he would have won if the Jockey went to the left handed whip earlier.

[batt33]

uncle mo an excellent dam sire ..lot's of potential there!

I hope so! all 4 foals will hopefully be sold at a sale.... Not sure what ones... long way off for that! fingers crossed.

[Madison]

Looks like he ran a decent race finishing 2nd. I did notice that the horse that beat him was one of only two horses that won from coming more than about 2 lengths off the lead all day. Did not watch all of the races but I do find that rather curious.

2nd start adding 2.5f. Looked a little green and possibly a bit ragged in the stretch. If you watch the race again STR I always watch the horses (Young) ability to rate first few starts. I think was a challenge as the horse/jockey has their eyes on the very fast front runner and maybe didn't see the 8 coming late outside???

[batt33]

by army mule ..oak R2 #2 battleoftheravine (8-1) @ 2:03

we saw his race 2 weeks ago ..got some useful conditioning off a 2 month layoff and adds blinkers

I went to put a couple across and the race just went off.... ran pretty good!

[str]

I remember this one from 2 weeks ago.
Should improve today. I have to think he runs 1,2,3 in there somewhere.

The 11 is an interesting firster on paper at what seems like a nice price.

So the even money favorite wins, Army Mule runs 2nd and the 11, that interesting firster runs 3rd and the triple is 154.80 for a dollar.

Jeez ! Hope someone had that.

[batt33]

So the even money favorite wins, Army Mule runs 2nd and the 11, that interesting firster runs 3rd and the triple is 154.80 for a dollar.

Jeez ! Hope someone had that.

yeah missed it ... would have been a 50 center for me

[JBEX]

So the even money favorite wins, Army Mule runs 2nd and the 11, that interesting firster runs 3rd and the triple is 154.80 for a dollar.

Jeez ! Hope someone had that.

not hard to put together.. logical to put the favorite on top of both of them

[JBEX]

hey str

mentioned in batt's thread that I liked garamond at a price in this round of future bets .. he was training at payson park coming up to the gotham stakes at aqu ..if chad were to send him back to payson park with the intention of shipping back to run in the wood memorial do you feel that's an advantageous scenario vs just keeping him at aqueduct? think we may have discussed a ways back that it's a deeper surface and good for getting a horse very fit for a race..maybe a nicer environment also and have him in a better state of mind for the race ?

[JBEX]

hey str

mentioned in batt's thread that I liked garamond at a price in this round of future bets .. he was training at payson park coming up to the gotham stakes at aqu ..if chad were to send him back to payson park with the intention of shipping back to run in the wood memorial do you feel that's an advantageous scenario vs just keeping him at aqueduct? think we may have discussed a ways back that it's a deeper surface and good for getting a horse very fit for a race..maybe a nicer environment also and have him in a better state of mind for the race ?

feel free to say if you don't care for him or like any others

[JBEX]

by army mule

aqu R1 #4 remember the chief (3-1) @ 1:10

looks very capable vs these


also one much later at oaklawn..post tomorrow

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: what kind of race condition do you favor capping.? I lean toward MSW.