UFC 146: Dos Santos vs. Mir

[Imsmarterthanu]

And you wonder why everyone here HATES you.

LOL you dork no one hates me

You're just the only dork who follows me from thread to thread trying hard to be a smartass but failing miserably

[fosho14]

I know it's hard but stick to content guys. That way there's less bs to filter through lol.

[DeFactoCrippler]

yawn. You're the least interesting of the fresh crop of trolls around here.

I didn't mean to pick on you, but I just wanted to see how someone who never threw a punch in their life analyses a fighter's "striking". I know its easier to just call me a "troll" than to actually understand what you are talking about, but please don't ask me, ask someone else who knows even little about "striking" and they will call you an ignoramus as well.

It's really quite hilarious. You rarely see people who never picked a baseball in their lives giving advice on how to throw the knuckleball. But yet we have mma fanboys doing it all the the time?

[Crassus]

I didn't mean to pick on you, but I just wanted to see how someone who never threw a punch in their life analyses a fighter's "striking". I know its easier to just call me a "troll" than to actually understand what you are talking about, but please don't ask me, ask someone else who knows even little about "striking" and they will call you an ignoramus as well.

It's really quite hilarious. You rarely see people who never picked a baseball in their lives giving advice on how to throw the knuckleball. But yet we have mma fanboys doing it all the the time?

you can't be serious...

[DeFactoCrippler]

you can't be serious...

No, I am completely serious. I do not know what is so hard to understand. If nobody has taught you the fundamentals of throwing a punch, how on earth would you know if a punch was thrown correctly or not?

Now I am going to ask you, (and you will probably jus respond with an inane one line answer)...Is it possible for someone who has never picked up a baseball to know how to throw a kunckleball? What if you saw this person giving obviously WRONG advice on how to throw a knuckleball, would you say something?

[Educ8d Degener8]

No, I am completely serious. I do not know what is so hard to understand. If nobody has taught you the fundamentals of throwing a punch, how on earth would you know if a punch was thrown correctly or not?

Now I am going to ask you, (and you will probably jus respond with an inane one line answer)...Is it possible for someone who has never picked up a baseball to know how to throw a kunckleball? What if you saw this person giving obviously WRONG advice on how to throw a knuckleball, would you say something?

I doubt Phil Niekro even knows how to throw a kunckleball.

[Crassus]

No, I am completely serious. I do not know what is so hard to understand. If nobody has taught you the fundamentals of throwing a punch, how on earth would you know if a punch was thrown correctly or not?

Now I am going to ask you, (and you will probably jus respond with an inane one line answer)...Is it possible for someone who has never picked up a baseball to know how to throw a kunckleball? What if you saw this person giving obviously WRONG advice on how to throw a knuckleball, would you say something?

In that situation of course I would say something. That doesn't really apply here, sure maybe you disagree with Nunya's analysis of the fight but he was hardly giving advice on how to strike. I didn't watch the fight and off the bat I'm actually inclined to agree with you, given Volkmann's atrocious striking. BUT, Nunya didn't say anything close to what Volkmann should or shouldn't have done (i.e. advice) he just said what he saw and what he felt. Counter it all you want, show proof but be accurate in your disagreement with the guy.

You're only saying that to try and discredit him where it's not really fair to or needed. This forums purpose (in my eyes at least) is to try and gain an advantage for all to beat the overall betting public, so be rational and agreeable about these things and we can all make money. Don't throw out these strawman arguments about knowing how to punch...

[DeFactoCrippler]

In that situation of course I would say something. That doesn't really apply here, sure maybe you disagree with Nunya's analysis of the fight but he was hardly giving advice on how to strike. I didn't watch the fight and off the bat I'm actually inclined to agree with you, given Volkmann's atrocious striking. BUT, Nunya didn't say anything close to what Volkmann should or shouldn't have done (i.e. advice) he just said what he saw and what he felt. Counter it all you want, show proof but be accurate in your disagreement with the guy.

I was. I wrote a detailed post of which he respond with two "one liners". Neither of responses had anything to do with the technical aspect of his analaysis, in fact one was just an "ad hominem" attack calling me a troll.

This is obviously NOT the behaviour of someone who has even the slightest inkling of what they are talking about.

You're only saying that to try and discredit him where it's not really fair to or needed. This forums purpose (in my eyes at least) is to try and gain an advantage for all to beat the overall betting public, so be rational and agreeable about these things and we can all make money. Don't throw out these strawman arguments about knowing how to punch...

1. Yes I did do it to discredit him. But only because in another thread he claimed that people who never "fought/trianed/sparred" could analyse fights better than those who could. I guess we proved that wrong.

2. The argument about throwing a punch is not a strawman at all. It is at the core what we are talking about, in fact what you are doing right now is a "strawman' because I have to waste my time and refute it.

My argument is very CLEAR, and I know you understand it perfectly.

[eligibletackle]

what happened to the Hardy line? How is $ coming in on Ludwig in this one? I find Hardy -115 shocking, but this is coming from a guy who may or may not be sour grapes b/c he took Hardy at (-140)

[fosho14]

No, I am completely serious. I do not know what is so hard to understand. If nobody has taught you the fundamentals of throwing a punch, how on earth would you know if a punch was thrown correctly or not?

Now I am going to ask you, (and you will probably jus respond with an inane one line answer)...Is it possible for someone who has never picked up a baseball to know how to throw a kunckleball? What if you saw this person giving obviously WRONG advice on how to throw a knuckleball, would you say something?

Hey moron is this an inane answer? Read this slowly and carefully.

First of all before anything, WAKE THE FU*K UP LOL. YOU ARE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. Have you seen what kind of bs, garbage, lies, and slander that takes place on this forum every single day. Why would anyone believe that you have any kind of skill fighting or that you've ever threw a punch yourself. I own a lambo by the way. I'm lost for words for your stupidity. It's one thing to say things as a joke although your posts are always unfunny, uninteresting, and annoying, but here your actually being serious which is hysterical. Hey idiot, this is a sports betting forum comprised for the most part of ppl who do not roll, wrestle or box, or do muay thai. How much more irrelevant could you possibly be. You realize that your calling like 99% of the ppl who post here idiots judging by what you've said in your comments about the correlation between being able to correctly analyze fights without prior fighting experience. Do you think that it's impossible to be successful and profitable capping if you haven't trained yourself? And even if that were the case (which it's not) why would anyone care to take you seriously. No one believes for a second that you possess any skill in regards to any facet of life especially not combativeness. As far as I'm concerned you were raped as child, or had some sort of traumatizing upbringing which has shaped you into a pathetic loser who wastes his life getting continually embarrassed. At least when anonymous users on this forum post the amount of units they bet on, and who they pick there is a way of measuring that person's success. You saying that you have knowledge with striking or mma because you have trained it means nothing to anyone because for all we know you are just some anonymous fat loser behind a keyboard that nobody cares about, knows about or can tangibly see. but more importantly you have proved to be by consensus a troll who consistently spews out bs. The only person who laughs at your painfully lame ass jokes are Vaughany, and why he thinks they're funny I have no idea, that's pretty weird in itself. Hey DefactoCrippler, I'm a golden gloves champion, div 1 collegiate wrestler and a 3rd degree black belt in jui-jitzu so your opinion means nothing. See what I just did there. TOOL.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Hey moron is this an inane answer? Read this slowly and carefully.

First of all before anything, WAKE THE FU*K UP LOL. YOU ARE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. Have you seen what kind of bs, garbage, lies, and slander that takes place on this forum every single day. Why would anyone believe that you have any kind of skill fighting or that you've ever threw a punch yourself. I own a lambo by the way. I'm lost for words for your stupidity. It's one thing to say things as a joke although your posts are always unfunny, uninteresting, and annoying, but here your actually being serious which is hysterical. Hey idiot, this is a sports betting forum comprised for the most part of ppl who do not roll, wrestle or box, or do muay thai. How much more irrelevant could you possibly be. You realize that your calling like 99% of the ppl who post here idiots judging by what you've said in your comments about the correlation between being able to correctly analyze fights without prior fighting experience. Do you think that it's impossible to be successful and profitable capping if you haven't trained yourself? And even if that were the case (which it's not) why would anyone care to take you seriously. No one believes for a second that you possess any skill in regards to any facet of life especially not combativeness. As far as I'm concerned you were raped as child, or had some sort of traumatizing upbringing which has shaped you into a pathetic loser who wastes his life getting continually embarrassed. At least when ppl post the amount of units they bet on, and who they pick there is a way of measuring that person's success. You saying that you have knowledge with striking or mma because you have trained it means nothing to anyone because for all we know you are just some anonymous fat loser behind a keyboard that nobody cares about, knows about or can tangibly see. but more importantly you have proved to be by consensus a troll who consistently spews out bs. The only person who laughs at your painfully lame ass jokes are Vaughany, and why he thinks they're funny I have no idea, that's pretty weird in itself. Hey DefactoCrippler, I'm a golden gloves champion, div 1 collegiate wrestler and a 3rd degree black belt in jui-jitzu so your opinion means nothing. See what I just did there. TOOL.

lol, is this the fifth spazz novel you have written me know?

PS: this is just a convoluted ad hominem attack. You claimed I couldn't possibly know anything because this is the "internet" while completely avoiding any technical aspect of "combat", lol.

[fosho14]

lol, is this the fifth spazz novel you have written me know?

PS: this is just a convoluted ad hominem attack. You claimed I couldn't possibly know anything because this is the "internet" while completely avoiding any technical aspect of "combat", lol.

An idiot reply from an idiot. I love it lol.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Also, I think Vaughany "laughs" at my jokes because they are demeaning you, lol. Do you think he respects you after you wrote one of your spastic novels to him when he decided to hedge his play without telling you?

[fosho14]

lol, is this the fifth spazz novel you have written me know?

PS: this is just a convoluted ad hominem attack. You claimed I couldn't possibly know anything because this is the "internet" while completely avoiding any technical aspect of "combat", lol.

Are you that thick? We are all talking about combat here, the only difference is that you claim to have real experience. Judging by your posts you are by consensus and unanimously a troll, so why would anyone take even a pinch of what you say seriously? Here let me highlight the main point because apparently you can't read:
There is no proof or evidence that you have ever trained any aspect of mma. All we are going off is your word (the word of a proven troll)... some anonymous loser somewhere in the world who's screen name is DeFacto. So your point is moot.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Are you that thick? We are all talking about combat here, the only difference is that you claim to have real experience. Judging by your posts you are by consensus and unanimously a troll, so why would anyone take even a pinch of what you say seriously? Here let me highlight the main point because apparently you can't read:
There is no proof or evidence that you have ever trained any aspect of mma. All we are going off is your word (the word of a proven troll) so your point is moot.

No genius, that would not make the point moot. That would simply mean I know NOTHING all with all the other people who have never trained and know little to NOTHING.

[fosho14]

No genius, that would not make the point moot. That would simply mean I know NOTHING all with all the other people who have never trained and know little to NOTHING.

hahahahahahahaahahaha you still don't get it. F*uck off

[DeFactoCrippler]

For all he really smart people who think discrediting me discredits my argument need graduate high school.

An ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.

[NunyaBidness]

I was. I wrote a detailed post of which he respond with two "one liners". Neither of responses had anything to do with the technical aspect of his analaysis, in fact one was just an "ad hominem" attack calling me a troll.

This is obviously NOT the behaviour of someone who has even the slightest inkling of what they are talking about.



1. Yes I did do it to discredit him. But only because in another thread he claimed that people who never "fought/trianed/sparred" could analyse fights better than those who could. I guess we proved that wrong.

2. The argument about throwing a punch is not a strawman at all. It is at the core what we are talking about, in fact what you are doing right now is a "strawman' because I have to waste my time and refute it.

My argument is very CLEAR, and I know you understand it perfectly.

Blah blah blah blah blah. If you're trying to say something intelligent, I'll never know. You trolled here for the past 300 posts, I just skim past you like that other chucklefuck.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Blah blah blah blah blah. If you're trying to say something intelligent, I'll never know. You trolled here for the past 300 posts, I just skim past you like that other chucklefuck.

I don't blame you for retreating to back under your bed. I guess it's no as easy as claiming to be a 6ft tall bowling stud and watch Gabe cower in fear, lol.

[GunShard]

lol Pretty sure BJ Penn was greater than -500 when he lost to Edgar first time round. GSP vs Serra, Tim Sylvia vs Abe Wagner and sure there are plenty more. Hell even Hominick was like -600 a few weeks ago

Oops, I was searching through BestFightOdds to find -500 or greater that lost. I didn't do enough research, you're correct.

[fosho14]

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[fosho14]

PS: this is just a convoluted ad hominem attack. You claimed I couldn't possibly know anything because this is the "internet" while completely avoiding any technical aspect of "combat", lol.

I told myself I wouldn't reply, but I couldn't resist because it's just too fun exposing your stupidity.

The troll himself is now claiming an ad hominem attack lol. This is too good. I take back what I said about you Defacto, Maybe you are funny, well at least with that last comment (although ironically it's when you've tried to be most serious trying to sound smart haha!).

The most amusing part about this is you don't even know the meaning of what your saying and usually it is not the trolls themselves accusing others of ad hominems. This must be a first. All I was saying in my post was that there's no way for us to know whether you train any facet of martial arts, and that based on the content of your posts you have been deemed by many a troll, (I don't think anyone would argue with that). Based on this, you have no tangible credibility which is true. What is the most true of all though is that it is impossible for you to deny that there is any way of any of us knowing that you have picked up gloves or even set foot in a gym. What that means is that every time you start one of your arguments or objections with "you don't know what it's like to throw a punch" it is automatically discredited and means nothing to anyone reading the post, because it works both ways and we don't know if you've ever thrown one either. Re-read the last few sentences and process them. I know it's hard when your dumb but it's okay defacto, concentrate, focus and try to think.. you can do it.

So that's all I was saying. That is not a logical fallacy. And just because I threw some insults in there that does not make it an ad hominem either because there are still relevant points that you cannot deny or have even attempted to negate. These points are just further illustrating and enforcing the belief that you are in fact a troll, that your brain is smaller than a pea, and that you enjoy being embarrassed (otherwise I'm sure you would've gone away by now). Now crawl back into your hole little crippler.

[DeFactoCrippler]

What is the most true of all though is that it is impossible for you to deny that there is any way of any of us knowing that you have picked up gloves or even set foot in a gym. What that means is that every time you start one of your arguments or objections with "you don't know what it's like to throw a punch" it is automatically discredited and means nothing to anyone reading the post, because it works both ways and we don't know if you've ever thrown one either. Re-read the last few sentences and process them. I know it's hard when your dumb but it's okay defacto, concentrate, focus and try to think.. you can do it.

The only people I accuse of having "never thrown a punch" are ones that admit to never training in "striking". Also, if anyone wishes to correct me and say that they actually have trained "striking" I would be more than happy than to have a conversation about it. But that has yet to happen.

I agree that in some cases i make an "assumption" because the opinions that some people hold seem to be a very odd, and this causes me to question if the person stating that has any knowledge of what they are talking about.

For example, if a baseball player steps up to the plate and he has a swing that is technically way off, whiffs at three straight pitches in the worst way, and then sits down. Then the conversation goes something like this.

Novice: That players swing looked amazing.

Me: Wtf ru talking about that was one of the worst swings ever. Have you ever played baseball or swung a bat?

Novice: Stfu troll

[fosho14]

The only people I accuse of having "never thrown a punch" are ones that admit to never training in "striking". Also, if anyone wishes to correct me and say that they actually have trained "striking" I would be more than happy than to have a conversation about it. But that has yet to happen.

I agree that in some cases i make an "assumption" because the opinions that some people hold seem to be a very odd, and this causes me to question if the person stating that has any knowledge of what they are talking about.

For example, if a baseball player steps up to the plate and he has a swing that is technically way off, whiffs at three straight pitches in the worst way, and then sits down. Then the conversation goes something like this.

Novice: That players swing looked amazing.

Me: Wtf ru talking about that was one of the worst swings ever. Have you ever played baseball or swung a bat?

Novice: Stfu troll

Yikes! I didn't know I was talking to a cracked out junkie lol. Are you mentally ill bro? I don't think your understanding things. Just block me and I'll block you and we'll call it a day pce.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Yikes! I didn't know I was talking to a cracked out junkie lol. Are you mentally ill bro? I don't think your understanding things. Just block me and I'll block you and we'll call it a day pce.

Lol, this is what I asked you to do like a month ago. Instead you just appeared out of nowhere numerous times with 5000 word essays on how you dont care about me. Please God block me.

[fosho14]

I wish you luck on your trolling quest crippler. You are an extremely noble keyboard warrior

[fosho14]

Lol, this is what I asked you to do like a month ago. Instead you just appeared out of nowhere numerous times with 5000 word essays on how you dont care about me. Please God block me.

I did block you but that didn't stop you from replying to my shit and annoying others as well, just go away and everyone will be happy dude.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I did block you but that doesn't stop you from replying to my shit and annoying others as well, just go away and everyone will be happy dude.

The problem isnt with me, its because you are a spastic fanboy who cant control himself if someone says something on the internet, lol.

[fosho14]

The problem isnt with me, its because you are a spastic fanboy who cant control himself if someone says something on the internet, lol.

haha whatever man. You like calling ppl "fanboys" a lot don't you.

[Imsmarterthanu]

Hey moron is this an inane answer? Read this slowly and carefully.

First of all before anything, WAKE THE FU*K UP LOL. YOU ARE ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. Have you seen what kind of bs, garbage, lies, and slander that takes place on this forum every single day. Why would anyone believe that you have any kind of skill fighting or that you've ever threw a punch yourself. I own a lambo by the way. I'm lost for words for your stupidity. It's one thing to say things as a joke although your posts are always unfunny, uninteresting, and annoying, but here your actually being serious which is hysterical. Hey idiot, this is a sports betting forum comprised for the most part of ppl who do not roll, wrestle or box, or do muay thai. How much more irrelevant could you possibly be. You realize that your calling like 99% of the ppl who post here idiots judging by what you've said in your comments about the correlation between being able to correctly analyze fights without prior fighting experience. Do you think that it's impossible to be successful and profitable capping if you haven't trained yourself? And even if that were the case (which it's not) why would anyone care to take you seriously. No one believes for a second that you possess any skill in regards to any facet of life especially not combativeness. As far as I'm concerned you were raped as child, or had some sort of traumatizing upbringing which has shaped you into a pathetic loser who wastes his life getting continually embarrassed. At least when anonymous users on this forum post the amount of units they bet on, and who they pick there is a way of measuring that person's success. You saying that you have knowledge with striking or mma because you have trained it means nothing to anyone because for all we know you are just some anonymous fat loser behind a keyboard that nobody cares about, knows about or can tangibly see. but more importantly you have proved to be by consensus a troll who consistently spews out bs. The only person who laughs at your painfully lame ass jokes are Vaughany, and why he thinks they're funny I have no idea, that's pretty weird in itself. Hey DefactoCrippler, I'm a golden gloves champion, div 1 collegiate wrestler and a 3rd degree black belt in jui-jitzu so your opinion means nothing. See what I just did there. TOOL.

PICS OR GTFO

[eligibletackle]

oh an internet fight cool

If that were true (and it's not) then there would not be any -500 favorites. Don't you think the quants who run elaborate models would think to look into it?

Ding Ding Ding

I don't think Rolles Gracie ever hit -1500 though, could be mistaken. The big ones I know of are GSP (~-1100) vs Serra I, and Lil Nog (-something insane!) vs Soko. Is there anyway to check out what the price was? as I've heard it was -2000 - -2200. Given the fixing, can crushing, etc, that came along w/ Pride, as well as the relative anonymity & experience of one vs the other, I don't doubt Nog was -2000.

[fosho14]

PICS OR GTFO

is this a joke? Me saying I own a lambo was suggesting that ppl shouldn't talk about their personal accomplishments on here because there's no way of verifying anything. I don't actually own a lambo.

[Imsmarterthanu]

is this a joke? Me saying I own a lambo was suggesting that ppl shouldn't talk about their personal accomplishments on here because there's no way of verifying anything. I don't actually own a lambo.

oh so you led me on ? and to think this entire time I thought you were a bigshot baller, shit now I think you probably drive an old beat up honda and blow your whole m'cdonalds paycheck on 5dimes and cheap strippers

[PunisherIND]

2. The argument about throwing a punch is not a strawman at all.

WTF you guys talkin bout? strawman had the most graceful swing, and he had excellent punch technique.

[FightFightFight]

Chucklefuck. My new favorite word.