what gabe says.

[BIGDAY]

The most common glaring deficiency among modern fighters is definitely TDD, and when coupled with how skewed the current judging system is towards takedowns, betting on a wrestler (especially as a dog) is usually a pretty decent proposition.

I got your back BIGDAY

Thanks bro.

Wow, this thread got winded. Lol

I do have to stick up for myself a tad though. I don't blindly wager every wrestler Gabe... C'mon man. But knowing wrestlers inside and out with their individual tendencies has helped me make wagers for or against wrestlers. It's just part of MMA I understand the most I guess and try to use it to my advantage as much as I can with my wagers.

[gabe]

Again you're making it all about you. Im not saying they dont post here because they dont agree with your opinions on fights, I'm saying its because of crazies like you! And Im not in BidDay's threads because Bigday isnt claiming to be a superstar or smarter than most people. He isnt going in to Ecco's thread and making smartass comments like "should of listened to me". He also doesnt respond to the slightest bit of advice or constructive criticism with "shut the f*ck up u dumbass...seriously how dumb are u...cant believe how dumb u are... you dumbass" etc...

Which is exactly my point! You're calling me crazy for things I say! You said it was crazy to say what I said about Papazian but after watching the fight it is clear that what I said was not crazy at all, so stfu.

When I told ecco he should have listened to me, I was clearly being humorous, but I don't expect your dumb ass to see the humor in that.

I am not claiming to be a superstar, either. I have time and time again said that. I even JUST told vitooch that. I'm sure you read that. Yet, you conveniently forget all that and all the other times I've said humble things. I'm humble about how well I do, I only say I do better than most of you when I'm being attacked. I never came out and said "HEY GUYS I PICK BETTER THAN YOU ALL!!!" everything I have said about myself in positive light has been to defend myself...

And yes, I am smarter than most people. Because I said that, you're gonna try to attack me every single opportunity you get? Get a life, fool. Seriously. Just get a life, you dumb kid.

[Vaughany]

Thanks bro.

Wow, this thread got winded. Lol

I do have to stick up for myself a tad though. I don't blindly wager every wrestler Gabe... C'mon man. But knowing wrestlers inside and out with their individual tendencies has helped me make wagers for or against wrestlers. It's just part of MMA I understand the most I guess and try to use it to my advantage as much as I can with my wagers.

Yeah I should of said that actually. Most the time Bigday does say a disclaimer of sorts, especially to some of the tards in player's talk, that he bets on guys where he thinks there more likely to get the nod from the judges which obviously has been wrestlers. Or more simply when a wrestler faces a striker he is going to favor the wrestler, espcially when plus odds. For a long time that was a good tactic even though it seems very basic!

[gabe]

[quote=Vaughany;13786649]

Jesus Christ! I was saying that the quote that supported what I'd initially said about you was verbatim!
What I initially said that you'd claimed was indeed: "Papazian will probably judo throw Easton and tap him with an arm-bar".... you said that you didnt say that, which you didnt word for word but what you did say verbatim was: "He'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down against the cage and beat him against it." It's exactly the same thing but with the words jumbled up and with "judo throw" used instead of "judo toss"! Surely you can't deny that? I wasnt going to go into your thread history and find the exact quote was I? Ended up that I had to anyway because you were denying saying anything of the sort. Which again was a lie because as we've just established you did say something very similar except in a slighty different way. The key points were that you said he'll tap Easton out or judo toss him down..." . You also said "He'll" which is HE WILL which would imply to me and I guarantee anybody that read that that you think it's a foregone conclusion.

How can you mistake his belt colour when you know so much about him supposedly? It either is or isn't! They are different colour belts.

Wow, will these lies ever end??? You used a misquoted line I couldn't even remember, you had to link me to the random ass thread it was posted in before i even created the thread for the fight.

You are still acting like I predicted Papazian would use judo throws and win the fight with a submission when all the evidence clearly states that I predicted the fight would go the distance. You are using a fight I nailed spot-on as an attack towards me, and that is just ridiculous. Get a life.

and no, there isn't a dif in what you said and teh actual quote, THAT IS MY POINT, just like there was no difference in your friends seeing dana outside the hotel or near it... (and you said you don't know exactly where they met him, so i assumed it was NEAR the hotel. if it was EXACTLY OUTSIDE the hotel, then why would u say u dont know where? outside hotel + unsure where = near hotel, no?) dumbass... i guess that went past your head, too... just like the semerzier/papazian thing.

[Vaughany]

Which is exactly my point! You're calling me crazy for things I say! You said it was crazy to say what I said about Papazian but after watching the fight it is clear that what I said was not crazy at all, so stfu.

When I told ecco he should have listened to me, I was clearly being humorous, but I don't expect your dumb ass to see the humor in that.

I am not claiming to be a superstar, either. I have time and time again said that. I even JUST told vitooch that. I'm sure you read that. Yet, you conveniently forget all that and all the other times I've said humble things. I'm humble about how well I do, I only say I do better than most of you when I'm being attacked. I never came out and said "HEY GUYS I PICK BETTER THAN YOU ALL!!!" everything I have said about myself in positive light has been to defend myself...

And yes, I am smarter than most people. Because I said that, you're gonna try to attack me every single opportunity you get? Get a life, fool. Seriously. Just get a life, you dumb kid.

Well I wasnt the only one who didn't find it humorous and thought you were trying to be a smartass so again I guess it's everbody else who is dumb and not on your level. Although I sincerely hope you dont fail in your career as a comedian, Im sure if you do fail miserably it will be because everybody else lacks a sense of humour and nothing to do with you.

[BIGDAY]

Yeah I should of said that actually. Most the time Bigday does say a disclaimer of sorts, especially to some of the tards in player's talk, that he bets on guys where he thinks there more likely to get the nod from the judges which obviously has been wrestlers. Or more simply when a wrestler faces a striker he is going to favor the wrestler, espcially when plus odds. For a long time that was a good tactic even though it seems very basic!

That and understanding gameplaning and those are my basics. I know I should hang in here more often but I get sucked into a little of the drama over at PT.

[gabe]

Thanks bro.

Wow, this thread got winded. Lol

I do have to stick up for myself a tad though. I don't blindly wager every wrestler Gabe... C'mon man. But knowing wrestlers inside and out with their individual tendencies has helped me make wagers for or against wrestlers. It's just part of MMA I understand the most I guess and try to use it to my advantage as much as I can with my wagers.

You've blindly sided with wrestlers on several occasions before. Aaron Simpson and Scott Jorgensen were terrible plays, only way you should have bet on those guys is if you were arbing or hedging.

Often, you're on the money, but you can't always go with the American wrestler, especially when they're facing guys like Ronny Markes and Renan Barao.

You really had no business making a play on Scott Jorgensen. You only did it because he's a wrestler. I really believe that. You couldn't bring yourself to go against the wrestler.

Anyway, you don't need to defend yourself. What you're doing is fine, I was just making a point to V that he attacks me for little things but wouldn't attack others for anything at all. Love you, Big Day. Please have more! (big days)

[Vaughany]

[QUOTE=gabe;13786789]

and no, there isn't a dif in what you said and teh actual quote, THAT IS MY POINT, just like there was no difference in your friends seeing dana outside the hotel or near it... (and you said you don't know exactly where they met him, so i assumed it was NEAR the hotel. if it was EXACTLY OUTSIDE the hotel, then why would u say u dont know where? outside hotel + unsure where = near hotel, no?) dumbass... i guess that went past your head, too... just like the semerzier/papazian thing.

I said I didnt know exactly because you were going on about the floor room that Dana was on. I dont understand your point. I said they got the tickets from Dana or literally out of the hand from his assistant who was with Dana outside his hotel because you were being a douche about (that alone kind of suggests you have apergers or something, it's weird how specific it has to be ) You then said the below comment:

you were saying your friends got tickets from dana at his hotel, then you said they got it from his assistant at his hotel, now you're saying they got tickets somewhere near the hotel, you're not sure where. ok buddy.

and yes i know for a fact that Dana stays on a dif floor than those guys. it's not a ridiculous comment.

I never said im not sure where. I clearly said "outside the hotel" which meant at the entrance or perhaps 10 yards to the left of it if you want specifics again. Fact is "at his hotel" and "outside his hotel" isnt much different so I dont know what you were trying to achieve with the quote above?

[BIGDAY]

You've blindly sided with wrestlers on several occasions before. Aaron Simpson and Scott Jorgensen were terrible plays, only way you should have bet on those guys is if you were arbing or hedging.

Often, you're on the money, but you can't always go with the American wrestler, especially when they're facing guys like Ronny Markes and Renan Barao.

You really had no business making a play on Scott Jorgensen. You only did it because he's a wrestler. I really believe that. You couldn't bring yourself to go against the wrestler.

Anyway, you don't need to defend yourself. What you're doing is fine, I was just making a point to V that he attacks me for little things but wouldn't attack others for anything at all. Love you, Big Day. Please have more! (big days)

I know man. I actualy liked ATrain though. I thought the weight cut was going to be harder for Markes. Just my view.

[gabe]

Well I wasnt the only one who didn't find it humorous and thought you were trying to be a smartass so again I guess it's everbody else who is dumb and not on your level. Although I sincerely hope you dont fail in your career as a comedian, Im sure if you do fail miserably it will be because everybody else lacks a sense of humour and nothing to do with you.

People like my comedy, comedians I respect compliment me on it, so I'm not worried about that, but thank you. It's unnecessary to bring my private and professional life into this, though, further proves you've got a hard-on for attacking me.

And people who didn't get I was being humorous towards Ecco aren't dumb, they just thought I was seriously being a pompous ass and not humorous. That's my humor, though. Some people might think I'm a dick, others will get that I'm kidding. It's fair to say you don't get my humor, but I've said that several times over the months, so I don't know why you're making me say it again.

[Vaughany]

You've blindly sided with wrestlers on several occasions before. Aaron Simpson and Scott Jorgensen were terrible plays, only way you should have bet on those guys is if you were arbing or hedging.

Often, you're on the money, but you can't always go with the American wrestler, especially when they're facing guys like Ronny Markes and Renan Barao.

You really had no business making a play on Scott Jorgensen. You only did it because he's a wrestler. I really believe that. You couldn't bring yourself to go against the wrestler.

Anyway, you don't need to defend yourself. What you're doing is fine, I was just making a point to V that he attacks me for little things but wouldn't attack others for anything at all. Love you, Big Day. Please have more! (big days)

Again you're showing how ignorant you are. Simpson could of easily won that fight, he knocked down Markes and lost the fight by split-decision. If Markes had of finished Simpson or dominated him for 3 rounds then yes you could claim it was a terrible decision. Would be like me saying to you that betting on Walel Watson against Jabouin was a terrible decision when it clearly wasnt - despite him losing. As Im sure you've said to yourself or at least thought to yourself, you'd bet on Watson again if they ever had a rematch

[Beelzebubzy]

While were talking about wrestlers pierce had value

[Vaughany]

People like my comedy, comedians I respect compliment me on it, so I'm not worried about that, but thank you. It's unnecessary to bring my private and professional life into this, though, further proves you've got a hard-on for attacking me.

And people who didn't get I was being humorous towards Ecco aren't dumb, they just thought I was seriously being a pompous ass and not humorous. That's my humor, though. Some people might think I'm a dick, others will get that I'm kidding. It's fair to say you don't get my humor, but I've said that several times over the months, so I don't know why you're making me say it again.

Well maybe you do get genuine compliments and I hope they are. But then on the flipside they aren't going to tell a fan that follows them around that he sucks are they now!

[gabe]

I know man. I actualy liked ATrain though. I thought the weight cut was going to be harder for Markes. Just my view.

The weight cut was a slight concern up til fight week, then we saw that he was having a good cut... then after weigh-ins, we saw him putting a lot of weight back on really well...

seeing that he made the cut well made me bump him to 5 units... glad he didn't lie about having a good cut, though, i hate when fighters are struggling to cut but say they had an easy cut (happened a few times, jason miller comes to mind)

i saw the fight vs markes to go similar as to the one vs brad tavares, except markes would have better TDD, and he'd have takedowns himself. i basically viewed markes as a much bigger and more talented brad tavares, and simpson barely beat tavares.

i gotta say, though. i would be more confident (and would have risked more) in my guys if you wouldn't go against them!

[BIGDAY]

I know man. I actualy liked ATrain though. I thought the weight cut was going to be harder for Markes. Just my view.

I have done okay fading fighters moving to a new division when going up against a veteran.

[gabe]

Again you're showing how ignorant you are. Simpson could of easily won that fight, he knocked down Markes and lost the fight by split-decision. If Markes had of finished Simpson or dominated him for 3 rounds then yes you could claim it was a terrible decision. Would be like me saying to you that betting on Walel Watson against Jabouin was a terrible decision when it clearly wasnt - despite him losing. As Im sure you've said to yourself or at least thought to yourself, you'd bet on Watson again if they ever had a rematch

Watson beat Yves. Markes beat Simpson. TERRIBLE comparison. If Aaron Simpson won, it would have been a lucky win. Such as, a lucky knockout, which ALMOST happened. He didn't get the lucky KO, but he got a LUCKY ROUND 1 WIN. Markes had that round until the punch. Simpson stole that round with that punch, but the rest of the fight was Markes'. Simpson did not edge Markes out in the fight, Watson edged Yves out. Again, terrible comparison. Go back to the drawing board.

While were talking about wrestlers pierce had value

No, he didn't. He really didn't. A bored and uninterested Josh Koscheck beat him. There is no value in betting on a guy who gets beat up by a guy who doesn't care about the fight. That was an easy match-up for Josh Koscheck all day. Only way Pierce would win was a lucky KO which was what all the Mike Pierce betters were hoping for.

[gabe]

Well maybe you do get genuine compliments and I hope they are. But then on the flipside they aren't going to tell a fan that follows them around that he sucks are they now!

Follow them around? Who do I follow around? I was referring to comedians I look up to that I had not met before until they saw me on stage and talked to me after my set. Now you're claiming I follow people around? WTF???

And yeah, an accomplished comedian will tell a new comic he sucks before he gives him false compliments. They're either gonna tell you the truth or not say anything.

[BIGDAY]

The weight cut was a slight concern up til fight week, then we saw that he was having a good cut... then after weigh-ins, we saw him putting a lot of weight back on really well...

seeing that he made the cut well made me bump him to 5 units... glad he didn't lie about having a good cut, though, i hate when fighters are struggling to cut but say they had an easy cut (happened a few times, jason miller comes to mind)

i saw the fight vs markes to go similar as to the one vs brad tavares, except markes would have better TDD, and he'd have takedowns himself. i basically viewed markes as a much bigger and more talented brad tavares, and simpson barely beat tavares.

i gotta say, though. i would be more confident (and would have risked more) in my guys if you wouldn't go against them!

Agree to disagree. That's why I waited til Simpson was an underdog. Underdogs aren't "supposed" to win. Just hope to hit more than 50% of the dogs. Just try to find some value.

[gabe]

Agree to disagree. That's why I waited til Simpson was an underdog. Underdogs aren't "supposed" to win. Just hope to hit more than 50% of the dogs.

So you waited til after you knew that Markes had a great cut and put the weight back on well before you made the bet? lol bad move, brotha.

Whenever you have 5 unit plays, I usually don't go against them ('cept for Sanchez)-- but mine haven't gotten the same respect from you =( -- had they, i coulda saved/made you money!

[Vaughany]

Watson beat Yves. Markes beat Simpson. TERRIBLE comparison. If Aaron Simpson won, it would have been a lucky win. Such as, a lucky knockout, which ALMOST happened. He didn't get the lucky KO, but he got a LUCKY ROUND 1 WIN. Markes had that round until the punch. Simpson stole that round with that punch, but the rest of the fight was Markes'. Simpson did not edge Markes out in the fight, Watson edged Yves out. Again, terrible comparison. Go back to the drawing board.

Pretty sure Jabouin won that fight or am I in the parallel universe again?

Its a fine comparison, both Watson and Simpson lost close split decisions.

[Vaughany]

So you waited til after you knew that Markes had a great cut and put the weight back on well before you made the bet? lol bad move, brotha.

Or not a bad move if he had a set line on A-Train. He might of capped A Train at Evens or better then pulled the trigger after Simpson became the dog after people bet on Markes because if he made weight fine.

Kind of similar to how you bet more on Rumble despite him having a bad cut...lol bad move, brotha.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Gabe, although I was on Barao in that fight, there were unknowns regarding his TDD versus someone with a high level Folkstyle wrestling background which Jorgensen has. Jorgensen as a dog was hardly a dumb play.

[gabe]

Pretty sure Jabouin won that fight or am I in the parallel universe again? Its a fine comparison, both Watson and Simpson lost close split decisions.

I'm talking about Watson beating Yves, not who the judges gave the decision to... and yes, as I pointed out earlier, you are in a dif universe.

Both fighters lost split decisions, that is the only similar thing... Both were completely dif fights. Watson/Yves was a back n forth close fight. Markes/Simpson was pretty much Markes' fight, except for that moment in that first round... He stole a round, but didn't steal the fight. Yves Jaboin stole the fight. If Simpson won, it would have been a good comparison, but right now it's a terrible comparison.

[Kaladarus]

Guys, Gabe is one of the best MMA cappers of all his time and of all the time and after him there may never be another one of his kind.

[BIGDAY]

Or not a bad move if he had a set line on A-Train. He might of capped A Train at Evens or better then pulled the trigger after Simpson became the dog after people bet on Markes because if he made weight fine.

Kind of similar to how you bet more on Rumble despite him having a bad cut...lol bad move, brotha.

[gabe]

Or not a bad move if he had a set line on A-Train. He might of capped A Train at Evens or better then pulled the trigger after Simpson became the dog after people bet on Markes because if he made weight fine.

Kind of similar to how you bet more on Rumble despite him having a bad cut...lol bad move, brotha.

True, I've made tons of bad moves... I make bad moves every card!

Gabe, although I was on Barao in that fight, there were unknowns regarding his TDD versus someone with a high level Folkstyle wrestling background which Jorgensen has. Jorgensen as a dog was hardly a dumb play.

I was sure that Barao would have Aldo-esque TDD, as I stated in my thread. I knew he would be able to keep it standing and would have the advantage there.

Jorgensen as a +200 dog seems like a play that has value because it's Scott Jorgensen but when you carefully evaluate the fight, all signs pointed to a Barao victory. I personally thought Barao shouldn't have been as big a favorite in the eyes of Vegas/the public, but I knew that was his fight to lose. The Barao play was been the play I've been most confident about so far in 2012.

It's hard not to take Jorgensen at +200 no matter who he is fighting, I just knew he wasn't going to win that fight. I had it as a 5/5 "lock" for good reason.

[gabe]

Guys, Gabe is one of the best MMA cappers of all his time and of all the time and after him there may never be another one of his kind.

My MMA capping isn't what's up for discussion right now, but thank you.

I like you, Kala. Don't make me turn against ya.

[Vaughany]

I'm talking about Watson beating Yves, not who the judges gave the decision to... and yes, as I pointed out earlier, you are in a dif universe.

Both fighters lost split decisions, that is the only similar thing... Both were completely dif fights. Watson/Yves was a back n forth close fight. Markes/Simpson was pretty much Markes' fight, except for that moment in that first round... He stole a round, but didn't steal the fight. Yves Jaboin stole the fight. If Simpson won, it would have been a good comparison, but right now it's a terrible comparison.

Well I must be on a different universe with a lot of other people then who gave Jabouin the first two rounds of the fight. I suggest you go google "UFC 140 play by play" and have a look at how MMAWeekly, MMAJunkie and Sherdog scored it for example.

And yes they were different in that Simpson had a very dominant round and dropped Markes. Markes scraped the second and the third - you're acting like it was a comfortable win for Markes.

It's funny how when you are on wrong end of decisions and it's very close you are quick to moan but when the fighter you pick scrapes a decision you cant see it. I needed Markes to win to make profit, but can be objective and admit that if the rules where how they should be and fight judges as a whole rather than segments then Simpson deserved the decision.

[Vaughany]

My MMA capping isn't what's up for discussion right now, but thank you.

I like you, Kala. Don't make me turn against ya.

Heaven forbid

[Educ8d Degener8]

True, I've made tons of bad moves... I make bad moves every card!



I was sure that Barao would have Aldo-esque TDD...

Why?

[gabe]

Well I must be on a different universe with a lot of other people then who gave Jabouin the first two rounds of the fight. I suggest you go google "UFC 140 play by play" and have a look at how MMAWeekly, MMAJunkie and Sherdog scored it for example.

And yes they were different in that Simpson had a very dominant round and dropped Markes. Markes scraped the second and the third - you're acting like it was a comfortable win for Markes.

It's funny how when you are on wrong end of decisions and it's very close you are quick to moan but when the fighter you pick scrapes a decision you cant see it. I needed Markes to win to make profit, but can be objective and admit that if the rules where how they should be and fight judges as a whole rather than segments then Simpson deserved the decision.

I moan when a fighter I have picked wins but doesn't get the decision, and yes I do acknowledge when a fighter I have picked wins when he didn't deserve to. I have time and time again mentioned that Ross Pearson beat Edson Barboza but Barboza got the decision, and Barboza was my lock of the night that night. If my fighter wins undeservingly, I'll be happy about it, but I'll admit he didn't deserve the win. By no means did Simpson edge a win, by no means did Markes steal a decision. I was nervous going into round 2, but after round 2, I was comfortable that Markes had it. If Markes didn't get caught in that first round, he would have won all three rounds. Like I said, the only way he would lose is IF he got caught and KO'd... that DID happen, but luckily the only thing he lost was the round. Before that punch landed, he was winning. Round 2 and 3, it was still Markes' fight.

If you don't agree, don't argue, let's just agree to disagree.

[Vaughany]

Why?

OMG you're so dumb. You're such a dumb-ass. He trains in Brazil with Aldo, of course he has great takedown defence you dumb little kid!

[Hannibal]

It's funny how when you are on wrong end of decisions and it's very close you are quick to moan but when the fighter you pick scrapes a decision you cant see it. I needed Markes to win to make profit, but can be objective and admit that if the rules where how they should be and fight judges as a whole rather than segments then Simpson deserved the decision.

[gabe]

Why?

From studying his fights/styles/movement and relating them to the likes of Aldo and Barboza. I mentioned so in my pick. Also, guys that come out of his camp tend to generally have great TDD. I just related him to Aldo and Barboza and know how their TDD is, so I imagined how they would do against a wrestler like Jorgensen, and I predicted that they'd easily stuff his takedowns. I was right.

[gabe]

That light might go out after you read my response.