UFC 140: Jones vs Machida

Vaughany · 12-09-11, 04:16 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

Why you like lentz over bocek, joe? I was leaning toward bocek - he's looked good in all his defeats and his wins are brilliant (and you can make a good case he beat J. Miller, a better version of lentz imo, perhaps smaller though). And if it hits the ground I gotta go with a guy who is great on top or off his back, not a guy that just lays there. Stand up is a concern though... Let me know what you're breakdown is son.

Also, V and a few others are on Rich Antonnito, why are some of you going heavy on him? What's the breakdown?

Thanks

Attonito is superior in every area apart from maybe toughness. Hecht is also now based in Cork, Ireland at the Clinic and I question how much high-level sparring he is getting in over there. Attonito is a big step up from his previous opponents apart from Che Mills who beat him decisively.

sirchadwick1 · 12-09-11, 10:42 AM

Machida/Bones FOTN +375 anyone? Is the line that gifting b/c everyone thinks Jones is going to TKO Machida?

proposition joe · 12-09-11, 01:28 PM

I like Lentz over Bocek because of his wrestling advantage. I consider Bocek a better striker and bjj guy, but he will probably spend most of this fight on his back. I don't think that Bocek can finish Lentz on the feet or from his guard. This breakdown, to me, is very similar to the Ebersole fight. I've been hearing people say both Bocek and Patrick will have the wrestling advantages in their respective fights and I'm just not buying it, but I could very well be wrong.

The HOFF · 12-09-11, 07:30 PM

The full UFC 140 weigh-in results included:

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

Champ Jon Jones (205) vs. Lyoto Machida (204)
Frank Mir (260) vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (239)
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (204.5) vs. Tito Ortiz (206)
Brian Ebersole (170.5) vs. Claude Patrick (171)
Mark Hominick (145) vs. Chan Sung Jung (145.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD (ION Television)

Igor Pokrajac (205) vs. Krzysztof Soszynski (206)
Jared Hamman (185) vs. Constantinos Philippou (185)
Dennis Hallman (158.5)* vs. John Makdessi (155.5)
Yves Jabouin (136) vs. Walel Watson (135.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)

Mark Bocek (156) vs. Nik Lentz (156)
Rich Attonito (170.5) vs. Jake Hecht (170.5)
John Cholish (156) vs. Mitch Clarke (154.5)

* - Failed to make weight and didn't weigh in twice; he's been fined 20 percent of his purse

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MMAbetMASTA · 12-09-11, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Attonito is superior in every area apart from maybe toughness. Hecht is also now based in Cork, Ireland at the Clinic and I question how much high-level sparring he is getting in over there. Attonito is a big step up from his previous opponents apart from Che Mills who beat him decisively.

Sheeeiiiit... I just might have to follow you guys on that. I've been interested, but I just don't know much about Hecht... Thanks, Gl tomorrow.

I've only got a str8 on lil nog, but I want some more action!

Looking at jabouin now that he's gone down and bocek. Just not confident in my breakdowns.

Initially I was all about patrick as a big play, but think I'm over patrick, ebersole looked waaaay biggger. In addition, I keep forgetting that patrick is the older man and I think the bigger better wrestler is a great advantage. Still think it will be close though!

MMAbetMASTA · 12-09-11, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

I like Lentz over Bocek because of his wrestling advantage. I consider Bocek a better striker and bjj guy, but he will probably spend most of this fight on his back. I don't think that Bocek can finish Lentz on the feet or from his guard. This breakdown, to me, is very similar to the Ebersole fight. I've been hearing people say both Bocek and Patrick will have the wrestling advantages in their respective fights and I'm just not buying it, but I could very well be wrong.

I feel you joe, very logical breakdown and reasoning, thanks. I wouldn't say bocek is the better wrestler, but I believe he's fought better wrestlers and been impressive against them, win or lose. Yet bocek is a stud off his back or on top, so I think lentz might be hesitant to to lay in his guard, but who knows. Its def a tricky fight to call and it sucks now because bocek has gone up and I'd be paying more juice. Personally this line should be even imo and I would probably make a play on mark. But I think its too close to pay that juice. Gl bruddah!

MMAbetMASTA · 12-09-11, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

I know he didn't make weight, but damn... hallman looked huge next to the bull.

FindTheLock · 12-09-11, 11:45 PM

Machida doesn't look too shabby. The height advantage doesn't look that bad in that picture.

TheCalculator · 12-10-11, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

I know he didn't make weight, but damn... hallman looked huge next to the bull.

NO doubt he's bigger. However, Hallman looks weak to me. Catabolism from the weight cut.

Educ8d Degener8 · 12-10-11, 01:13 PM

Will be travelling so unlikely to catch the live viewing...

1.00u Jones / Lil Nog ~0.75:1
0.25u Machida by KO/TKO +750
0.25u Hallman +170
0.50u Mir / Lil Nog / Ebersole / Hamman / Attonito ~6.5:1
0.25u Jones / Hamman / Attonito / Packers ML / Lions ML / Pats ML / Bolts ML ~4:1

GL all

the chef · 12-10-11, 01:46 PM

I've got 2u on watson and 3 on ebersole

Vaughany · 12-10-11, 05:57 PM

Mitch Clarke = Dan Miller lookalike?!

illmatick · 12-10-11, 05:59 PM

nice, cholish opens a few parlays for me.

The HOFF · 12-10-11, 06:06 PM

Bookmaker doesn't have anything listed yet for live betting. They better have all the televised fights on ion and ppv!!

jacktheknife · 12-10-11, 06:06 PM

The one time they start on time, and I'm not there to see Cholish win. Myeh.

Anyway, for the record,

1u on K. sos -280/Attonito -250/Little Nog -250

.4u on Dennis Hallman at =160

and a piffling round robin with a bunch of action plays on all of the favorites, exept Hamman and Jabouin. And my policy of staying far away from Ebersole fights stands.

ReBEL`LiON · 12-10-11, 06:09 PM

This wont last long

Props Fighting 1629 Hamman wins by TKO/KO +792* vs Any other result

I PUT 100$ DOWN REAL FAST IT WONT BE HERE LONG

Vaughany · 12-10-11, 06:15 PM

WTF...elbow to back of head surely?

jacktheknife · 12-10-11, 06:16 PM

Telling me that was legal?

Pew Pew · 12-10-11, 06:19 PM

Fuuucking bullshit. Put all my profits from NCAAB today on fuucking Attonito.... stupid fuuck

DarkfallOnline · 12-10-11, 06:21 PM

It was a strike to the side/temple region not the back of the head. Very impressive.

The HOFF · 12-10-11, 06:24 PM

Yeah right on the temple. What I don't get is why a 12-6 elbow is illegal, but striking down with the point of the elbow is legal from all other angles. It's the same strike.

Vitooch · 12-10-11, 06:25 PM

Looked legal to me. All strikes were by the temple, not back of the head. Betting on Attonito as a heavy favorite isn't the smartest idea IMO.

Vitooch · 12-10-11, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

Yeah right on the temple. What I don't get is why a 12-6 elbow is illegal, but striking down with the point of the elbow is legal from all other angles. It's the same strike.

Rogan pointed that out during the commentary of Jones/Hamill. Rogan or Randy Couture couldn't even explain it.