UFC 137: St Pierre vs Diaz

The HOFF · 10-18-11, 07:51 PM

Is this card cursed or what? It just keeps falling apart. Watch Roy Nelson pull out tomorrow because of diabetes.

TheCalculator · 10-18-11, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

GSP is out injured

This blows beyond belief... for everyone: the UFC, the fans and me (50% my betting plans just flew out the window).

Hope he recovers and fights soon.

Kaladarus · 10-18-11, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

Is this card cursed or what? It just keeps falling apart. Watch Roy Nelson pull out tomorrow because of diabetes.

The twinkie diet must not be working out.

Vitooch · 10-18-11, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by more_betterness

http://http://mmajunkie.com/news/25717/nick-diaz-camp-stumps-for-five-rounder-against-b-j-penn-in-ufc-137-headliner.mma

Diaz camp wants a five rounder... I wonder why that is?

The article says that the fight is staying at 3 but hypothetically would this void any bets placed on this fight so far or would they be left as is? Diaz's cardio and pace is his best (I think only) advantage in this fight so a five rounder definitely changes things a bit.

If they cancelled the bets I would just re-bet on Penn, now with better odds. Can't see this fight lasting 5 rounds.

sideloaded · 10-18-11, 10:06 PM

bets wouldn't be canceled. The line would just move.

sportsfanatic · 10-18-11, 10:13 PM

unbelievable. condit vs gsp was a fight i was really looking forward to.

sideloaded · 10-18-11, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by sportsfanatic

unbelievable. condit vs gsp was a fight i was really looking forward to.

yeah we missed another 5 round lay and prey fest.

sportsfanatic · 10-18-11, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

yeah we missed another 5 round lay and prey fest.

i actually thought condit would win believe it or not.

rocky mattioli · 10-19-11, 07:01 AM

why is penn/diaz still a 3 rounder?........we lost the main event...you can`t even give us an extra 2 rounds in what would probably be a long,hard fight well worth watching?.....my guess is that white hates diaz and he knows penn probably loses late in a 5 rounder.....

f.u. white...stop trying to influence outcomes...

sportsfanatic · 10-19-11, 07:03 AM

there's no reason why penn and diaz shouldn't be a five rounder. it should have been a five rounder even when it wasn't the main event.

rocky mattioli · 10-19-11, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by rocky mattioli

why is penn/diaz still a 3 rounder?........we lost the main event...you can`t even give us an extra 2 rounds in what would probably be a long,hard fight well worth watching?.....my guess is that white hates diaz and he knows penn probably loses late in a 5 rounder.....

f.u. white...stop trying to influence outcomes...

of course,my motives aren`t pure(i`m trying to gain an edge in a toss-up fight)

....but truthfully,,i`d wager that penn wouldn`t accept a 5 rounder.....people defend his cardio,but i`m sure that he knows it`s a weakness...and that diaz has a signicant advantage over 5...i would take diaz itd over 5,no questions asked......

Vaughany · 10-19-11, 08:25 AM

To be fair they have trained for a 3 round fight so can't blame any fighter for contesting it go to a 5 round fight. Yes it would be same for both of them so in theory it shouldnt matter, but for somebody like BJ he obviously realise that this particular opponent - Diaz - would have a considerable cardio advantage.

rocky mattioli · 10-19-11, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

To be fair they have trained for a 3 round fight so can't blame any fighter for contesting it go to a 5 round fight. Yes it would be same for both of them so in theory it shouldnt matter, but for somebody like BJ he obviously realise that this particular opponent - Diaz - would have a considerable cardio advantage.

this is true.....and true that it would be the same for both fighters.....of course guys have trained for other opponents and had to adjust on short notice...they`re professionals.....dana has always expected his fighters to do whatever was good for the organization...i know in boxing,that title eliminators are 12 rounders...and i know this isn`t boxing...

i will be curious to see whether,in future situations,white changes other bouts on ppv`s to five rounders when top billers are cancelled...he`s the one that said all main events will be 5 rounders....let`s see if he`s consistent,or only when it benefits his agenda...

only time will tell...i certainly won`t be rooting for penn....i`m really not interested in seeing st pierre beat penn down one more time...i think it would be detrimental to the ufc if penn skates by diaz in a 3 rounder...

championship rounds...prove you deserve the shot...just my opinion...

iQon · 10-19-11, 12:21 PM

Nvm

sirchadwick1 · 10-19-11, 12:36 PM

I bet on Penn at -120 because this was a 3 rd fight. If Dana changes it to 5 rds and 5d doesn't cancel my bet I'd be pissed. Cardio is definitely a big factor. I think BJ takes it to the ground enough in 3 rds to get the decision.

sideloaded · 10-19-11, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I bet on Penn at -120 because this was a 3 rd fight. If Dana changes it to 5 rds and 5d doesn't cancel my bet I'd be pissed. Cardio is definitely a big factor. I think BJ takes it to the ground enough in 3 rds to get the decision.

They wouldn't cancel your bet. They only reason they would is if the fight was off. My bet stood on Edgar because the fight was delayed and not canceled. A lot of things could have changed during those months but the bet stood. It's part of betting. Taking -7 New England and then Tom Brady not starting is a huge change but the bookie isn't going to refund your bet.

cheeese · 10-19-11, 01:42 PM

It would be more like you took the Pats and they changed the game to 8 quarters. They have to cancel any over/under bets I would think and maybe they would cancel the straight bets too.

sirchadwick1 · 10-19-11, 01:43 PM

I'll most likely arb out then if Diaz hits +120. It's BJ's fight to lose though..

Vaughany · 10-19-11, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I'll most likely arb out then if Diaz hits +120. It's BJ's fight to lose though..

If it did go to 5 rnds (which it won't), Diaz's line would only get worse, if anything BJ would end up +120

sirchadwick1 · 10-19-11, 03:32 PM

I was beginning to worry for a second... thought someone got some inside info on the fight being changed to 5 rds.

Vaughany · 10-19-11, 03:34 PM

Well it might yet, BJ just said on the conference call tht he wouldnt be against it!

NunyaBidness · 10-19-11, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I bet on Penn at -120 because this was a 3 rd fight. If Dana changes it to 5 rds and 5d doesn't cancel my bet I'd be pissed. Cardio is definitely a big factor. I think BJ takes it to the ground enough in 3 rds to get the decision.

I will be really surprised if BJ uses his wrestling this way in this fight. It made sense in the Fitch fight because if he didn't initiate the takedown he was going to spend the entire fight on his back, I expect this fight to remain standing.

sideloaded · 10-19-11, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

It would be more like you took the Pats and they changed the game to 8 quarters. They have to cancel any over/under bets I would think and maybe they would cancel the straight bets too.

So you've never heard of overtime?

cheeese · 10-19-11, 05:12 PM

You're saying them changing it to 5 rounds is analogous to taking the pats and Brady gets hurt. I'm saying no it would be more like them changing the length of the game.

proposition joe · 10-19-11, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

You're saying them changing it to 5 rounds is analogous to taking the pats and Brady gets hurt. I'm saying no it would be more like them changing the length of the game.

I still can't believe you set me up to get whacked...

But yeah, I agree.

cheeese · 10-19-11, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

I still can't believe you set me up to get whacked...

Maybe I am slow pony but I don't get this.

proposition joe · 10-19-11, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

Maybe I am slow pony but I don't get this.

Proposition Joe was a character from The Wire. His nephew, Cheese, set him up in the last season. It was too coincidental for me not to comment.

cheeese · 10-19-11, 06:57 PM

LOL never saw the show but now I feel like I am missing out

5mike5 · 10-19-11, 07:58 PM

this card sucks now imo....tired of losing main events almost EVERY single ppv...glad i dont pay and watch for free online--lol

NunyaBidness · 10-19-11, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

LOL never saw the show but now I feel like I am missing out

You are. Omar Little is the greatest character in the history of television.

proposition joe · 10-19-11, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

You are. Omar Little is the greatest character in the history of television.

urge2kill · 10-19-11, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

You are. Omar Little is the greatest character in the history of television.

oh, indeed

NunyaBidness · 10-19-11, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by urge2kill

oh, indeed

sideloaded · 10-19-11, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by cheeese

You're saying them changing it to 5 rounds is analogous to taking the pats and Brady gets hurt. I'm saying no it would be more like them changing the length of the game.

Sorry my point was variables change, bets still stand. But overtime does lengthen the game and the bet still stands.

Vaughany · 10-21-11, 02:46 PM

And now Tavares is out injured. Jorgensen/Curran bumped to main-card.