UFC 133: Philadelphia

**NutsINyoMOUTH** · 07-25-11, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by JNic

im going to try and go to this. looks like a solid card

lol the worst card in mma history is solid?

**Hat McCulloch** · 07-25-11, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by NutsINyoMOUTH

lol the worst card in mma history is solid?

not worst but the worst in awhile

**kmdubya** · 07-26-11, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Hat McCulloch

not worst but the worst in awhile

Mmmmm I thought 131 was pretty crappy. Almost on par with 119.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 07-31-11, 11:14 PM

make it uncrappy by making some

**NutsINyoMOUTH** · 08-01-11, 12:29 AM

keep making fun of tito...im sure u have a much better life than an mma legend

**Kaladarus** · 08-01-11, 11:25 AM

It's a bad card for sure. I prefer bad cards that make me money over good cards that lose me money though. I'm sure by the time the odds are released for every fight there will be lots of good plays to be made.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 08-01-11, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by koscheckbaby

Howcome people like Hallman? Ebersole is the better wrestler and hasn't been subbed in 7 years.

Why is ebersole the better wrestler? I'm serious though, I want to know why you'd say this. From what I know hallman runs one of the best submission wrestling camps around and is not only a great base wrestler, but has some slick jitz. Yet I don't know about ebersole too well, so I'm curious why you think he might be the better wrestler.....

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 04:57 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

Why is ebersole the better wrestler? I'm serious though, I want to know why you'd say this. From what I know hallman runs one of the best submission wrestling camps around and is not only a great base wrestler, but has some slick jitz. Yet I don't know about ebersole too well, so I'm curious why you think he might be the better wrestler.....

Wouldn't necessarily say Ebersole is a better wrestler, but he certainly has reasonable credentials. Former Eastern Illinois University Wrestler (coached by Matt Hughes), ranked top 5 in the state at one point. He actually got kicked out of Eastern Illinois in his third year after beating up a douche bag hockey player from a rival collge and gettin arrested. Also, is a big WW, has fought at every weight division in MMA!

**blumpkin** · 08-02-11, 06:13 AM

anybody have lines for the rest of the fights on the card?

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by blumpkin

anybody have lines for the rest of the fights on the card?

Wont be released until this afternoon/evening, maybe even later. Just check out bestfightodds.com

**blumpkin** · 08-02-11, 08:14 AM

thx. interested to see what the mike brown/nam phan line will be.

**NunyaBidness** · 08-02-11, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Wouldn't necessarily say Ebersole is a better wrestler, but he certainly has reasonable credentials. Former Eastern Illinois University Wrestler (coached by Matt Hughes), ranked top 5 in the state at one point. He actually got kicked out of Eastern Illinois in his third year after beating up a douche bag hockey player from a rival collge and gettin arrested. Also, is a big WW, has fought at every weight division in MMA!

I bet that featherweight cut was a bitch.

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I bet that featherweight cut was a bitch.

ha good point! *From LW to HW!

**Hannibal** · 08-02-11, 02:29 PM

Ebersole looked tough as hell even though he was outmatched against Lombard. Everything i've seen from Ebersole epitomizes the tricky veteran. He's hard to hit, hard to hurt, and incredibly hard to hold down. Though he's not exceptionally skilled, powerful, or athletic, he seems to have a lot of sneaky moves that guys dont see coming. I hope he has enough to pull out the W, but i honestly dont know enough about Hallman. I had initially capped Ebersole to be a comfortable fav, and after seeing the lines released i believed the line setters had a similar expectation. Tailed V's play with ebersole + rashad/ortiz over. Then ebersole rose to +109 and i just had to make a straight play. Anyone confident either way?

**NunyaBidness** · 08-02-11, 03:20 PM

Undercard lines open:
Natal/Bradley -115/-115
Phan/Brown +145/-175
Pace/Menjivar +135/-165
Phillippou/Rivera +145/-175

**sirchadwick1** · 08-02-11, 03:27 PM

Close lines for the most part...

Anyone see any value there? I'd probably take Phillippou if he were +175.
I still fear that MTB is done so I'm not touching him as a fav even if he does plan on using his wrestling to win.

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

Ebersole looked tough as hell even though he was outmatched against Lombard. Everything i've seen from Ebersole epitomizes the tricky veteran. He's hard to hit, hard to hurt, and incredibly hard to hold down. Though he's not exceptionally skilled, powerful, or athletic, he seems to have a lot of sneaky moves that guys dont see coming. I hope he has enough to pull out the W, but i honestly dont know enough about Hallman. I had initially capped Ebersole to be a comfortable fav, and after seeing the lines released i believed the line setters had a similar expectation. Tailed V's play with ebersole + rashad/ortiz over. Then ebersole rose to +109 and i just had to make a straight play. Anyone confident either way?

I like Ebersole in this one, I think he'll have good enough grappling to prevent Hallman from controlling him on the ground. And his flashy striking is either going to hurt Hallman or at least look good in the judges eyes! His Muay Thai is pretty good, trained a lot at Tiger Muay Thai. If he lands a knee like he did on Lytle I think it will be lights out for Hallman.

**The HOFF** · 08-02-11, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

I like Ebersole in this one, I think he'll have good enough grappling to prevent Hallman from controlling him on the ground. And his flashy striking is either going to hurt Hallman or at least look good in the judges eyes! His Muay Thai is pretty good, trained a lot at Tiger Muay Thai. If he lands a knee like he did on Lytle I think it will be lights out for Hallman.

I have to disagree with the "flashy striking." I just thought it was wild, sloppy, and goofy. I think that's what is going to get him in trouble. He's going to try and do a double twisting back flip side face punch and Hallman will be able to capitalize and either hurt him or take him down. I've got a couple on Hallman. I guess we'll see when they fight!

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 04:27 PM

This dude's predictions are always entertaining, he's a pompous English gent! Comedy character...

**MMAbetMASTA** · 08-02-11, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Wouldn't necessarily say Ebersole is a better wrestler, but he certainly has reasonable credentials. Former Eastern Illinois University Wrestler (coached by Matt Hughes), ranked top 5 in the state at one point. He actually got kicked out of Eastern Illinois in his third year after beating up a douche bag hockey player from a rival collge and gettin arrested. Also, is a big WW, has fought at every weight division in MMA!

very interesting, its information like this that is valuable yet hard to find for some reason... perhaps I'm not looking in the right places...

Where do you find info like this, V? Wiki?

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

very interesting, its information like this that is valuable yet hard to find for some reason... perhaps I'm not looking in the right places...

Where do you find info like this, V? Wiki?

I avoid wiki unless what ever stated is referenced which is rare with MMA fighter info! As we saw pre-Kongo vs Barry some people believed that Kongo was a NCAA Div 10 wrestler due to looking at Wiki!!!

Mostly from interviews I've read, there was one before the Lytle fight which had some good info somewhere on web. But also I actually came across a thread that Ebersole created in a forum years ago when he first started travelling, where he was offering his coaching services in London. In tht he listed and talked about his credentials/background.

**Vaughany** · 08-02-11, 04:56 PM

Funny shiiit... Situation as Lorenzo Fertitta!...

**Hannibal** · 08-02-11, 05:01 PM

Anyone like phan at +175?Dont know which mike brown will show up, and dont know if phan can follow a game plan or show any urgency when he's behind.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 08-02-11, 05:04 PM

fade Rivera?? looked his age in the last fight but Phillippou is still a bit of an unknown

**SHALOMbagelBOMB** · 08-02-11, 05:59 PM

all over nam pham in this fight...unbelievable odds

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-02-11, 08:50 PM

Phan is the dog????

I put half on Phillapi.... as well. Its a bet against Rivera.

**snufflyjoe** · 08-03-11, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by SHALOMbagelBOMB

all over nam pham in this fight...unbelievable odds

yeah me too... not so much because of my faith in Nam Pham but because of my lack in faith in MTB, it just feels to me that MTB is at a "Joe Stevenson" stage at his life

@ + 175 is for sure worth a small play

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 08-03-11, 10:57 PM

crazy to see how Brown has fallen off, guy has lost 4 of 6 but before that he had won 10 in a row with wins over guys like Faber and Curran. Now people think a TUF contestant is a graet unserdog pick

**jin2daj** · 08-03-11, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

crazy to see how Brown has fallen off, guy has lost 4 of 6 but before that he had won 10 in a row with wins over guys like Faber and Curran. Now people think a TUF contestant is a graet unserdog pick

yeah really makes me wonder if he was just never good or if he's actually just lost it.

**brooks85** · 08-04-11, 12:07 AM

im liking the no submission prop, unfortunately books released a sharp line on it. It was +1250, now +900 .

**The HOFF** · 08-04-11, 12:18 AM

Any way that Rashad finishes Tito ITD? I really feel that the lay n pray bullshit is a product of Greg Jackson. With Rashad at his new camp in Florida and training under Van Arsdale, I think he is going to come out more aggressive, and dare I say looking to finish. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just expect to see a different Rashad.

**sirchadwick1** · 08-04-11, 11:59 AM

The fact that Rashad is with a different camp, coming in on a slight layoff, and may utilize a different strategy is the reason I'm taking Tito in this one. I don't see how anyone could take Rashad at his current price... regardless of his improvements since their first bout.

**Pin2Win** · 08-04-11, 01:14 PM

I am most excited for the undercard fights on this card then the main card... keep an eye on Mendes, the guy is tough and only been fighting for a couple years, a few other picks of mine, Hammel, Hendricks, and Ortiz, I had Ortiz winning durring the Bader fight soo I hope it can happen again

If not I hope it's a good fight

**sirchadwick1** · 08-04-11, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

I avoid wiki unless what ever stated is referenced which is rare with MMA fighter info! As we saw pre-Kongo vs Barry some people believed that Kongo was a NCAA Div 10 wrestler due to looking at Wiki!!!

LOL... you're probably referring to me. That was a joke. I did actually believe that Kongo had true wrestling credentials due to Wiki, but I figured it was DIV III or something and was an error on Wiki. Then it dawned on me that he never went to college in the US.

**Wrecked** · 08-04-11, 02:04 PM

Wiki is always a joke, and anyone that researchers their fighters for plays on Wiki is ridiculous.