UFC on Versus 4

[bogbat]

Are you the new troll around here? Did you see Michael Johnson's other fights in the house? No way can this dude hang with even the lower tier UFC lightweights.

I heard his current trainers are very impressed with his progress since his last fight but I can't remember who I heard he was training with now. Regardless though, he may be one of those guys who are a beast in the gym but chokes in actual fights.

[Vaughany]

gtfo.

michael johnson beat pablo garza in the house who is 2-1 in zuffa.

[Vaughany]

I heard his current trainers are very impressed with his progress since his last fight but I can't remember who I heard he was training with now. Regardless though, he may be one of those guys who are a beast in the gym but chokes in actual fights.

He was at Jacksons I think

[Ladle]

I heard his current trainers are very impressed with his progress since his last fight but I can't remember who I heard he was training with now. Regardless though, he may be one of those guys who are a beast in the gym but chokes in actual fights.

Training partners don't tend to be too objective when commenting on the skills of their team-mates.

Judging from what I've seen of Johnson so far, he doesn't have the striking, the defensive wrestling, or the ground game to stick around in the UFC at 155. Even on top, he's not your prototypical wrestler; once he gets a takedown, he tends to let his opponent right back up.

[Educ8d Degener8]

don't be so mad little fella. It's only a game.

I'll give you a free gym membership if Johnson's still in the ufc after his next 3 fights.

I'd like a prop bet for one of those free gym memberships...

[NunyaBidness]

Lauzon brings it. Ivadmit I don't know a lot about Warburton, I think ihe comes out, gets it to the ground and submits him in the 1st, he gasses against Stout, but that was his fight back after knee surgery, and vs G.S., he pushed a severe pace, and had went hard on the ground with George on top of him also.

If you like Lauzon, Lauzon/Warbuton Won't Complete 2 full rounds +125 at bodog is probably a better play. Lauzon usually finishes his fights pretty early. This prop would have won in all of his wins since 05. (and all but one of his losses)

[koscheckbaby]

I know Joe Lauzon tends to gas, but I think he's a great bet against Warburton. Warburton got outgrappled by Spencer Fisher two fights ago. He's toast against Joe Lauzon's grappling.

[Ladle]

I know Joe Lauzon tends to gas, but I think he's a great bet against Warburton. Warburton got outgrappled by Spencer Fisher two fights ago. He's toast against Joe Lauzon's grappling.

It's also worth mentioning that Warburton looked very tired towards the end of the Fisher fight. I wouldn't even give him a conditioning advantage here.

[Thewiseman]

Yeah, i dont have Bodog, Lauzon is gonna dominate this.

[Thewiseman]

Parlays,
Lauzon, Roberts, Lentz, Kongo dec, Brown dec, Story/Marquardt goes distance .14u to win 53.2u
Same 6 as above + Morecraft and Vazquez .01u to win 34.05u
Same 8 +Gamburyan, Grice, Faaloloto .01u to win 1,218.54u

[Thewiseman]

Kongo 1.55u to win 1u
Brown .48u to win 1u
Morecraft .22u to win .5u
Gamburyan .23u to win .5u
Vazquez .27u to win .5u
Lentz .56u to win 1u
Lauzon 1.2u to win .5u
Roberts .45u to win .5u
Faaloloto .15u to win .5u

Adding Brown dec .2u to win 2.45u

[MMAbetMASTA]

I think Attonito is a decent enough wrestler to sprawl and brawl on him, and get a few well-chosen takedowns of his own once Roberts gasses out. Unless Ninja can get an early submission, I really don't like his chances. He's going to be out-classed on the feet, and Attonito showed in the Branch fight that he can survive on the ground against legit black belts. I wouldn't even bet on Roberts as the dog.

I am not going crazy on roberts, but at -105 I will def be making a play on him. You give rich's sloppy stand up too much credit imo... Also, although rich is a D1 vet, I think his wrestling is not too great considering he was taken down more than once in all of his ufc fights minus yager. Branch couldn't do much but against better comp he's shown his jitz isn't too great, and I am a firm believer in all jitz belts are not created equal. I think roberts, especiall on the sub grappling circut has much better jitz than branch. Natal is just sloppy imo. Cesar gracie camp is superb too. Roberts gasses, but not before the 3rd. I think he will get 1 and 2 and perhaps lose a 3rd if he gasses. I dont think this is a fight to go crazy on, and rich can certainly win, but I like roberts at those odds and will be playing him. UD for roberts.

[koscheckbaby]

What weight is the fight anyways? I've never seen Rich fight, but I thought he was 185 for some reason. Roberts is 170

[Ladle]

I am not going crazy on roberts, but at -105 I will def be making a play on him. You give rich's sloppy stand up too much credit imo... .

If Attonito's stand-up is sloppy, then words cannot begin to describe how bad Roberts' stand-up is. Watching that man attempt to throw a punch is painful. Attonito only needs to be a competent striker to take Roberts to task on the feet, and he's proved that he's capable in that area. He was good enough to put 'Sapo' in serious jeopardy.

Also, although rich is a D1 vet, I think his wrestling is not too great considering he was taken down more than once in all of his ufc fights minus yager.

This is true, though Roberts is hardly a stellar takedown artist, even when he isn't gassed.

Branch couldn't do much but against better comp he's shown his jitz isn't too great, and I am a firm believer in all jitz belts are not created equal. I think roberts, especiall on the sub grappling circut has much better jitz than branch.

They're just different grapplers. Branch is more focused on maintaining position, while Roberts more actively looks for the finish while sacrificing position. But if we're talking in terms of grappling accomplishments, then Branch trumps Roberts.

Natal is just sloppy imo.

So is Daniel Roberts after the first three minutes.

Roberts gasses, but not before the 3rd.

Based on what evidence? He got visibly tired very quickly against both Claude Patrick and Forrest Petz.

I think he will get 1 and 2 and perhaps lose a 3rd if he gasses.

His best shot is an early sub in my opinion, unless he's miraculously improved his conditioning in the space of two months.

What weight is the fight anyways? I've never seen Rich fight, but I thought he was 185 for some reason. Roberts is 170

170. Attonito is dropping down. A wise move given that he wasn't the biggest of guys at 185.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

If Story wins, he's a legit opponent for GSP after the Diaz fight. Might put off a GSP/Silva superfight even more

[Thewiseman]

Adding Brown dec .2u to win 2.45u

Adding .28u on Vazquez, so .55u to win 1u total
Brown/Howard over 1.5 rds .75u to win .5u

[Thewiseman]

Added Faaloloto .05u, so total is .2u to win .7u

[Thewiseman]

Story/Marquardt goes distance, Kongo Dec, Brown dec, Morecraft, uGriffin, Vazquez, Lauzon, Roberts, Lentz .01u to win 23.09u
+ Faaloloto .01u to win 118.12u

[v1y]

so many clowns on this forum. No idea how any of you make money betting on this sport.

and i will be quite surprised if johnson is cut within three fights, especially since (according to you!) the ufc will probably give him a favourable schedule.

[Ladle]

so many clowns on this forum. No idea how any of you make money betting on this sport.

Don't know who this is directed at, but you should probably shut up and quit trolling. You just make yourself look ridiculous.

and i will be quite surprised if johnson is cut within three fights, especially since (according to you!) the ufc will probably give him a favourable schedule.

Guess what? There's no such thing as a favourable schedule at lightweight because it's so dense with talent. He'd probably get pasted by the vast majority of UFC lightweights, and unfortunately for him, a lot of those guys in the lower tier happen to be submission specialists (Palaszewski, Lullo, Sass, 'Tractor' Oliveira, to name a few). Submission defense has been Johnson's main problem in the past.

[illmatick]

You're a dumb fuk laddle. What part of "he beat pablo Garza" did you not understand?

Nobody has ever handled the Scarecrow with such effortless fluidity.

[Wrecked]

You're a dumb fuk laddle. What part of "he beat pablo Garza" did you not understand?

Nobody has ever handled the Scarecrow with such effortless fluidity.

I second this post

[Ladle]

You're a dumb fuk laddle. What part of "he beat pablo Garza" did you not understand?

Nobody has ever handled the Scarecrow with such effortless fluidity.

I apologise profusely for my ignorance. I'm going to close my account down immediately. How could I overlook the significance of beating the almighty Pablo Garza? So, so ashamed right now.

[Wrecked]

I apologise profusely for my ignorance. I'm going to close my account down immediately. How could I overlook the significance of beating the almighty Pablo Garza? So, so ashamed right now.

I second this post aswell

[scofflaw]

Straight (units)

Lentz - .5 to win .575

Kongo - 27.5 to win 15

Morecraft - 7.5 to win 15.2

Props (units)

Howard vs Brown (Completes 2 Full Rounds) - .5 to win .7

Mitrione vs Morecraft (Morecraft wins by 3 round decision) - .5 to win 2.75

Kongo vs Barry (Kongo wins by 3 round decision) - 2.5 to win 6.9
Kongo vs Barry (Completes 1 Full Round) - 2 to win .55

Story vs Marquardt (Story wins by 3 round decision) - 2.5 to win 3.5
Story vs Marquardt (Completes 1 Full Round ) - 2 to win .55

Parlays (units)

Story, Kongo, Howard, Morecraft - 2 to win ??

Story, Kongo, Morecraft, Bader, Guillard - 2.5 to win ??

Kongo, Howard, Morecraft, Condit, Wiiman, Guillard - 1.1 to win 21.9


I have tons of other micro straight and prop parlays. if one catches on i'll follow up with it.

[cheeese]

I apologise profusely for my ignorance. I'm going to close my account down immediately. How could I overlook the significance of beating the almighty Pablo Garza? So, so ashamed right now.

But did you see that flying triangle he got in his last fight? Top 3-5 lightweight IMO.

[Thewiseman]

I thought Garza was at 145

[cheeese]

I'm pretty sure he was lightweight on the show when Johnson beated him

[Chairib]

Nate Marquardt out. Rick Story now faces Charlie Brenneman

[scofflaw]

Going hard on Story as soon as the lines open. This is almost a gimme.

[Thewiseman]

I'm pretty sure he was lightweight on the show when Johnson beated him

Of course he was then, but isnt he at featherweight now?

[Thewiseman]

Brenemann .15u to win .5u

[Ladle]

There is definitely value in Brenneman at over +300. He's one-dimensional, but still an excellent athlete and a tremendous wrestler. I think he can make this a very competitive fight - and possibly win a decision - if he avoids brawling with Story and focuses solely on taking him down.

Anyone betting on Story at -400 or worse ain't too bright.

[Thewiseman]

Alves took Story down, so can Charlie. I favor Story, but that line is retarded.

[Ladle]

Alves took Story down, so can Charlie. I favor Story, but that line is retarded.

Agreed. Also worth pointing out that John Hathaway was able to take Rick Story down repeatedly. While Story has improved significantly since then, let's not delude ourselves in thinking that he's some kind of wrestling God.