UFC on Versus 4

[Ladle]

I am on Roberts anything -200

Why? If Attonito can avoid a flash sub at the beginning, he'll probably be able to keep the fight standing and beat Roberts up on the feet. We could also see him take down a gassed Roberts and knuckle-dust him a bit from guard, as he did to Rafael Natal in the third round of their fight.

Give me Attonito at better than even money.

[Beelzebubzy]

When Roberts gassed against Patrick was that fight on short notice?

The reason I am on Roberts is the jj level between the two is huge. Maybe Im overrating his subs against Guymon and Soto.

[Vaughany]

When Roberts gassed against Patrick was that fight on short notice?

The reason I am on Roberts is the jj level between the two is huge. Maybe Im overrating his subs against Guymon and Soto.

I wouldnt say huge - Attonito is a purple-belt himself and also has Div 1 wrestling experience. He was also able to go three rounds with two black-belts in Dave Branch and Natal and avoid being submitted. Roberts may well be more "explosive" but Attonito has better striking.

[Beelzebubzy]

very good points, I could be completely off on my assessment.

[Vaughany]

When Roberts gassed against Patrick was that fight on short notice?

The reason I am on Roberts is the jj level between the two is huge. Maybe Im overrating his subs against Guymon and Soto.

Also, Roberts didnt fight on short notice, fight was announced in January and event happened in April

[kmdubya]

I wouldn't sweat the weight cut for Nate as much. Johnson cuts from over 220 lbs to make WW. He's more likely to suffer from the effects of the cut. Nate should take this all day.

[Ladle]

Roberts may well be more "explosive" but Attonito has better striking.

Even then, I think Roberts' "explosiveness" advantage only lasts for about three minutes!

[Vaughany]

I wouldn't sweat the weight cut for Nate as much. Johnson cuts from over 220 lbs to make WW. He's more likely to suffer from the effects of the cut. Nate should take this all day.

Rumble pulled out over a week ago bro!

[kmdubya]

Rumble pulled out over a week ago bro!

I STILL GOT JOHNSON....the odds are unreal for a Johnson TKO right now.....

(son of a .........)

[The HOFF]

Looks like Matt Brown's UFC career will be coming to a violent end.

[Ladle]

Looks like Matt Brown's UFC career will be coming to a violent end.

I think it'll be closely contested fight. Howard is extremely overrated by most people.

[snake11eyes]

Looks like Matt Brown's UFC career will be coming to a violent end.

Yea I dont think so either. Brown's got decent standup and is tough as they come. He should be able to hang with Howard.

[The HOFF]

I think it'll be closely contested fight. Howard is extremely overrated by most people.

I actually think Brown is extremely overrated by most people. He has tons of heart, no question, but I don't think he has near the skill of most other fighters in the division.

[Ladle]

I actually think Brown is extremely overrated by most people. He has tons of heart, no question, but I don't think he has near the skill of most other fighters in the division.

Yeah, I agree that Brown is overrated too. Still, John Howard is a guy who probably deserves to be 1-5 in the UFC. Brown might no longer cut the mustard in the UFC, but the same can be said for Doomsday.

[Chairib]

The man has lost three straight fights in the UFC and is currently sporting a 4-4 UFC and an overall record of 11-10. Matt Brown is not overrated, I'd say he's just plain old rated.

Underneath that record is a fighter who does have skills, I've watched enough of the guy to see that. But it's clear he hasn't been the same fighter the last couple of outings. Is that due to injury or his camp? Maybe both. But there are a couple of things that I noticed that lean towards training and camp preparation.

Being that this is a replacement fight it'll be interesting to see what, if any, strategy will be employed other than go out and put on a show by both of these guys.

[Vaughany]

Being that this is a replacement fight it'll be interesting to see what, if any, strategy will be employed other than go out and put on a show by both of these guys.

Yeah FOTN candidate for sure. Both like to stand-up and can take a beating!

[Chairib]

Yeah FOTN candidate for sure. Both like to stand-up and can take a beating!

Normally with Matt Brown I'd say yes, but this fight might be a little different for the simple fact the loser of this fight probably gets cut from the UFC. Brown already has lost three in a row and Howard is coming off two losses himself, they have to see the writing on the wall. Fighters in this situation usually respond by trying to fight the perfect fight, but that only makes them hesitant and more mistake prone than anything else.

I heard Brown left Hume and Seattle and is back in Vegas for his MMA training. I really hope that the move back is a positive step because his time in Seattle really hurt him.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

a week out only odds out for one fight

[MMAbetMASTA]

I am on Roberts anything -200

word, this match up stuck out to me as well. I like roberts at -200 or lower.

[bjpenn85]

Where do you think most of the fight will be, and why do you think roberts will win?

[Ladle]

I think Attonito is a decent enough wrestler to sprawl and brawl on him, and get a few well-chosen takedowns of his own once Roberts gasses out. Unless Ninja can get an early submission, I really don't like his chances. He's going to be out-classed on the feet, and Attonito showed in the Branch fight that he can survive on the ground against legit black belts. I wouldn't even bet on Roberts as the dog.

[Beelzebubzy]

What does everyone here think of Lentz/Oliviera?

[scofflaw]

Lines are opening up now. I think Moorecraft @ +200 is amazing

[sirchadwick1]

Lines are opening up now. I think Moorecraft @ +200 is amazing

I'm with you. Think that Mitrione should win but can't pass up that value on Morecraft.

[Beelzebubzy]

you just shifted the line to -190 Mitrione, enjoy your arb

[sirchadwick1]

you just shifted the line to -190 Mitrione, enjoy your arb

I won't be arbing. Got 2u on Morecraft at +205. I think this is about a 60/40 fight in favor of Meathead and that's his gastank that gives him the advantage. If Morecraft fight smart and doesn't blow his load early, he's got a good shot.

[scofflaw]

Well the lines are calming down a bit now. Morecraft dropped like a stone. Got him straight up @ +170 and in a parlay 1 minute later @ +150 with Story (+120), Howard, Kongo.

[Nick The Greek]

Still waiting on Bodog to get their lines up. I hope Morecraft opens +205, and Story opens +140 like they did on 5D.

[Kaladarus]

Still waiting on Bodog to get their lines up. I hope Morecraft opens +205, and Story opens +140 like they did on 5D.

That would be nice, but it's very unlikely.

[urge2kill]

Well the lines are calming down a bit now. Morecraft dropped like a stone. Got him straight up @ +170 and in a parlay 1 minute later @ +150 with Story (+120), Howard, Kongo.

how many minutes later did morecreaft hit +220?

[scofflaw]

how many minutes later did morecreaft hit +220?

Ouch. Yeah I caught that too. I think the line should be way closer to EV than it is. Morecraft is a monster. Too bad I already put everything I wanted on him @ +170

[NickBaragona]

Did anyone here get Story at +140? Is there any type of service that will notify me when these lines go up? It sucks, I could have had him at -110, and then as i was putting the bet in, it changed to -130.

[Nick The Greek]

Did anyone here get Story at +140? Is there any type of service that will notify me when these lines go up? It sucks, I could have had him at -110, and then as i was putting the bet in, it changed to -130.

Bestfightodds lets you sign-up for e-mail alerts.

[NickBaragona]

Do they alert only when a line changes, or when new lines are up? Cuz man...Story at +140 would have been sweet.

[illmatick]

I can't believe Morecraft jumped back over +200. I played him at +180 and +210.

I capped mitrione around -170 in this fight.