UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier 2 (April 13, 2019)

**JIBBBY** · 04-12-19, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

If Gas is going to outwrestlw Adesanya it will have to be late in the fight IMO. Don’t think he will do it early. I just think that he has cultivated a game over time that isn’t built for a guy like Adesanya. In his current form he’s cardio, chin, 1-2 combo with power. Adesanya also has cardio. His chin is not as proven but it has no known issues, and his striking abilities and variety far exceed what Kelvin does. Not even close.

I really think those betting Gas on the premise that he will just outwrestle Adesanya bell to bell are buying false goods. His path to victory is KO IMO, and if Gas lands that left hand flush and Izzy eats it no issue, then it’s gonna be a long night for Kelvin and he better get some ice ready for his ribs and legs the next day.

I agree, test that cardio, grab and hold on to him and take him down late.. His best chance.. I highly doubt he is going to out speed or out point Adesanya..

Gas isn't a horrible boxer though, he does move his head.. He does have that granite chin though, can be hit but hard to drop...

**Sanity Check** · 04-12-19, 06:06 PM

“I got to spar with (Imadaev) at Xtreme Couture,” Griffin said in advance of their ESPN-televised meeting at UFC 236, which takes place Saturday at State Farm Arena in Atlanta, Ga. “When I got the name, I was like, ‘That’s that dude. I know that dude.’

“He’s an ass, man. He’s not a good guy.”

Griffin claims Imadaev had a reputation for trying to hurt sparring partners. Yet he agreed to go a few rounds with the undefeated Russian.

Griffin claims Imadaev’s aggression eventually wore thin on the higher-ups at the gym, and he was asked to leave. Griffin also claims Imadaev ruffled feathers at a 10th Planet Jiu-jitsu gym when he threw a flying knee in practice. He also claims Imadaev tried to fight retired light heavyweight Forrest Griffin at the UFC Performance Institute.

https://mmajunkie.com/2019/04/ufc-23...-zelim-imadaev

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**Shagdogy** · 04-12-19, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I agree, test that cardio, grab and hold on to him and take him down late.. His best chance.. I highly doubt he is going to out speed or out point Adesanya..

Gas isn't a horrible boxer though, he does move his head.. He does have that granite chin though, can be hit but hard to drop...

He moves his head... in that clip. But he doesn’t move that doughy body or lead leg of his all that much and Izzy isn’t coming with just punches.

**JIBBBY** · 04-12-19, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

He moves his head... in that clip. But he doesn’t move that doughy body or lead leg of his all that much and Izzy isn’t coming with just punches.

I agree... I probably should have waited for the UN decision prop if it ever comes out.. I may bet that again if it pops up at better odds.. Hit this a while ago..

$100.00

$164.00

Pending

4/13/19 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1111 Adesanya wins by 5 round decision +164* vs Not Adesanya by 5 round decision

**HurlSweatPants** · 04-12-19, 08:49 PM

On Turner ITD as well as under for plus money. I would be surprised if that fight made it to the 2nd.

Also went small on Belal, Millender is trash on the ground and he hasn't had enough time to fix that gaping hole despite being really athletic. Belal has dealt well with rangy guys and his wrestling is levels and levels above Millender. (hedged .25 on CM ITD and .5 DEC) I would really like to throw Belal in a parlay, was thinking he and Davis SU, still debating on that one.

I leaned KG, but decided I would rather enjoy the show and definitely staying away from the main unless Max somehow gets lower than the -155 range. If anyone is interested in wagering bet points on the KG fight, I'm game though.

**Shagdogy** · 04-12-19, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by HurlSweatPants

On Turner ITD as well as under for plus money. I would be surprised if that fight made it to the 2nd.

I agree... talked this one over with Hugo. Turner round 1 +240 isn’t a bad play.

**UncleChael** · 04-12-19, 11:16 PM

Israel gonna be sleeping tomorrow night courtesy of Kelvin Gastelum.

**turbozed** · 04-12-19, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Sanity Check

Derek Brunson got the better of the wrestling when he fought Yoel Romero. Yoel out-wrestled Chris Weidman.

Israel Adesanya might not have fought a Derek Brunson in top form in terms of his wrestling/grappling game.

But it is possible "Izzy" has already faced a guy who can wrestle better than Kelvin Gastelum.

Gastelum hasn't officially landed a TD in the MW division. The last fight he landed a TD was against Magny. He landed 2 and Magny landed 6. This was at WW.

Even if Gastelum may be a better technical grappler than guys like Brunson, Tavares, or even Vettori (who was also on the juice) he's certainly not as big or powerful as those guys. Gastelum might be able to get it done with grappling, but Gastelum will have to do something he hasn't done in years and was only successful doing sporadically in a lower weight class (where the difference is 15 lbs not 10).

**JIBBBY** · 04-13-19, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by HurlSweatPants

On Turner ITD as well as under for plus money. I would be surprised if that fight made it to the 2nd.

Also went small on Belal, Millender is trash on the ground and he hasn't had enough time to fix that gaping hole despite being really athletic. Belal has dealt well with rangy guys and his wrestling is levels and levels above Millender. (hedged .25 on CM ITD and .5 DEC) I would really like to throw Belal in a parlay, was thinking he and Davis SU, still debating on that one.

I leaned KG, but decided I would rather enjoy the show and definitely staying away from the main unless Max somehow gets lower than the -155 range. If anyone is interested in wagering bet points on the KG fight, I'm game though.

I got him by KO... He usually wins by KO if he is to win.. I'm trying it at plus odds with no hedge.. Not enough value to hedge the other way..https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jalin-Turner-158269

$100.00

$139.00

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4/13/19 9:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1533 Turner wins by TKO/KO +139* vs Any other result

**firekillex** · 04-13-19, 01:09 AM

anybody see that Israel Anthony Johnson sparring footage

**JIBBBY** · 04-13-19, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by firekillex

anybody see that Israel Anthony Johnson sparring footage

Didn't AJ retire like 5 years ago? Bigger dude too.. Is he still training and sparring? I thought he was race car driving or something today?

Link it up Fire....

Well you made me search just now.. This is what I came up with - 285 pounds of AJ.. lol...

285-pound Anthony Johnson wants UFC heavyweight comeback against Jon Jones

https://www.mmamania.com/2018/11/6/18068194/285-pound-anthony-johnson-wants-ufc-heavyweight-comeback-jon-jones-mma

Former Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) light heavyweight title contender, Anthony Johnson, weighs 285 pounds and wants to fight Jon Jones at heavyweight.

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

He moves his head... in that clip. But he doesn’t move that doughy body or lead leg of his all that much and Izzy isn’t coming with just punches.

Also he got both outstruck and outgrappled by Weidman

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

I agree... I probably should have waited for the UN decision prop if it ever comes out.. I may bet that again if it pops up at better odds.. Hit this a while ago..

$100.00

$164.00

Pending

4/13/19 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1111 Adesanya wins by 5 round decision +164* vs Not Adesanya by 5 round decision

It's out and currently (+195) on Dimes

**firekillex** · 04-13-19, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Didn't AJ retire like 5 years ago? Bigger dude too.. Is he still training and sparring? I thought he was race car driving or something today?

Link it up Fire....

Well you made me search just now.. This is what I came up with - 285 pounds of AJ.. lol...

https://www.mmamania.com/2018/11/6/1...-jon-jones-mma

randomly seen it on instagram a video from a few years back before Israel was even in the UFC
looked like he was toying with AJ tbh, they werent going super hard though , tbh this kind of sparring is better for israel since obviously hes much more technical and AJ cant throw super ko bombs ... just came out though since Jon jones was saying hed make Israel his bitchh

**JIBBBY** · 04-13-19, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

It's out and currently (+195) on Dimes

Thanks Hugo, I see it now... In again for another benny.. Hope it sticks!!!

$100.00

$195.00

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4/13/19 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1147 Adesanya wins by 5 rd unanimous decision +195* vs Any other result

I am hedging with this though now... Gas could get this late is what I'm thinking if he by chance is able to ground Adesanya by rocking him with a punch or taking him down late. I could see Adesanya giving up the back and then neck.. Doubt there is a pound out..

$50.00

$255.00

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4/13/19 11:59pm MMA Props Fighting 1135 Gastelum wins by submission +510* vs Any other result

**Shagdogy** · 04-13-19, 05:14 AM

I could justify plays on Salmon, Griffin, and Belal but I’m making a strong commitment to not betting favorites unless I think there’s a lot of value in the line so I’m laying off all those. Only two plays for me so far:

Adesanya -175, 4u
Turner rd 1 +240, 0.5u

I made a deal with Hugo that if the Turner bet cashes I will roll it over to Holloway.

**slikec** · 04-13-19, 05:52 AM

I made for me a bit to high bet on Adesanya.

So if anyone wanna bet betpoints i offer -170 odds on Adesanya, max win total 2k(so bet 3,4k to win 2k total).

Offer is open for 10more hours(i am for Europe so i always watch fights in mornings when i will transfer if i lose).

**Enfuego** · 04-13-19, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I could justify plays on Salmon, Griffin, and Belal but I’m making a strong commitment to not betting favorites unless I think there’s a lot of value in the line so I’m laying off all those. Only two plays for me so far:

Adesanya -175, 4u
Turner rd 1 +240, 0.5u

I made a deal with Hugo that if the Turner bet cashes I will roll it over to Holloway.

Why not just bet Turner at -130?

**Shagdogy** · 04-13-19, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Enfuego

Why not just bet Turner at -130?

All of his wins are in round 1. Frevola is very hittable and was stopped rd 1 vs Reyes and almost stopped rd 1 vs Vannata. Turner has cardio questions and there’s a good chance he doesn’t win at all if he doesn’t win in round 1. I can bet 0.5 to win 1.2 rather than risking 1.5 to win the same. We’ll see how it goes. Small play.

**turbozed** · 04-13-19, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I could justify plays on Salmon, Griffin, and Belal but I’m making a strong commitment to not betting favorites unless I think there’s a lot of value in the line so I’m laying off all those. Only two plays for me so far:

Adesanya -175, 4u
Turner rd 1 +240, 0.5u

I made a deal with Hugo that if the Turner bet cashes I will roll it over to Holloway.

Glad you're on board with Adesanya Shagy. This will make it a consensus play for you me and Hugo. I'm also about 4 units deep.

Might just tail that Turner bet.

**JIBBBY** · 04-13-19, 10:13 AM

This is how I'm playing the card.. Good luck fellas..

$100-$150 a pop bets as usual...

1)Costa Straight
2)Mueller Dec
3)Jackson Dec
4)Mahammad Dec
5)Salmon Straight
6)Imadaev ITD
7)Reis Straight
8)Turner ITD
9)OSP ITD
10)Grant Straight
11)Roundtree Straight
12)Adasyana Dec/ Hedge Gas Sub
13) Max Holloway KO/ Hedge DP by Sub

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 04-13-19, 10:25 AM

FYI, youwager has the main event NOT going the distance at +175...pretty sure it's a bad line but I put some on it anyhow

**Demonata** · 04-13-19, 10:40 AM

I think there will be a finish in main and co main events. It's annoying that at the casino I'm going to in wendover you can only parlay the main card. Makes no sense to me me.

**Sanity Check** · 04-13-19, 11:33 AM

Headline: UFC fighter Luke Rockhold pays zero attention to MMA and is less informed on who should get the next title shot than aliens living in caves on mars. Confirmed.

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**G Trooper** · 04-13-19, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Max has a way better chin and crisper striking. Don't get me wrong, I love Dustin Poirier but this is Max's fight.

Wanna say thanks to everyone who contributes here. This is the best forum I’ve followed in any sport, period. I read everything and say next to nothing so it’s only right i pop in time to time to show appreciation for what all you guys do. I’ve gave my thanks before but in particular, Hugo, you have made me lots of monies over the last couple years and easily one of the most skilled cappers I’ve come across in plenty years of lurking. I find it crazy that the board is unanimous on Max tonight. It’s scary as hell going against you guys but in my eyes Dustin has shown nothing but improvement lately. As fire pointed out, kicks shouldn’t be a factor and if that’s the case there is no way I can wrap my head around max being a 2-1 chalk against elite competition like Dustin. I hope you guys play it small and absolutely murder the rest of the card. It just feels like it’s Poirier’s time. Shock the world my dude ! Doesn’t matter how we get there let’s all just end up in the green when it’s said and done.. good luck to everyone tonight !

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I could justify plays on Salmon, Griffin, and Belal but I’m making a strong commitment to not betting favorites unless I think there’s a lot of value in the line so I’m laying off all those. Only two plays for me so far:

Adesanya -175, 4u
Turner rd 1 +240, 0.5u

I made a deal with Hugo that if the Turner bet cashes I will roll it over to Holloway.

Let's get it Shaggy!

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

This is how I'm playing the card.. Good luck fellas..

$100-$150 a pop bets as usual...

1)Costa Straight
2)Mueller Dec
3)Jackson Dec
4)Mahammad Dec
5)Salmon Straight
6)Imadaev ITD
7)Reis Straight
8)Turner ITD
9)OSP ITD
10)Grant Straight
11)Roundtree Straight
12)Adasyana Dec/ Hedge Gas Sub
13) Max Holloway KO/ Hedge DP by Sub

Best of luck sir!

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 03:06 PM

UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier II Picks:
Brandon Davis Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Poliana Botelho Round 1 TKO (Body Kick and Punches)
Montel Jackson Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Belal Muhammad Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Boston Salmon Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Zelim Imadaev Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Alexandre Pantoja Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Jalin Turner Round 1 KO (Punches)
Ovince Saint Preux Round 1 Technical Submission (Von Flue Choke)
Alan Jouban Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Eryk Anders Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Israel Adesanya Unanimous Decision (50-45 x3)
Max Holloway Round 3 TKO (Punches)

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 03:08 PM

UFC 236: Holloway vs. Poirier II

Fight Pass Prelims:

Fight #1: Davis vs. Costa (DEBUT)
Davis Decision (+240) .5u
Davis Round 3 (+1050) .25u

Fight #2: Botelho vs. Mueller
Botelho Round 1 (+450) .5u

Fight #3: Jackson vs. Soukhamthath
Jackson Decision (+175) 1u

Fight #4: Muhammad vs. Millender
Muhammad (-135) 1.35u to win 1u
Muhammad Submission (+515) .75u
Muhammad Round 3 (+1475) .25u

Hedge:
Millender ITD (+382) .5u

ESPN Prelims:

Fight #5: Salmon (DEBUT) vs. Taha
Salmon (-130) 1.3u to win 1u
Salmon -3.5 (+165) 1u

Fight #6: Imadaev (DEBUT) vs. Griffin
Imadaev Decision (+600) .5u

Fight #7: Pantoja vs. Reis
Pantoja (-185) 1.85u to win 1u
Pantoja ITD (+270) .5u

Fight #8: Turner vs. Frevola
Turner (-125) 2.5u to win 2u
Turner Round 1 (+250) 1u

Main Card:

Fight #9: Saint Preux vs. Krylov
Saint Preux+Krylov Won’t Start Round 3 (-175) 1.75u to win 1u
Saint Preux+Krylov Under 1.5 (-110) 1.1u to win 1u
Saint Preux ITD (+154) 1u
Saint Preux KO/TKO (+765) .5u

Fight #10: Jouban vs. Grant
No Bet

Fight #11: Anders vs. Rountree
Anders -3.5 (-125) 1.25u to win 1u
Anders+Rountree Won’t Start Round 2 (+175) 1u
Anders Submission (+1500) .25u

Hedge:
Rountree Round 1 (+425) .5u

Fight #12: Adesanya vs. Gastelum
Adesanya -3.5 (+137) 3u
Adesanya Decision (+225) 1u

Hedge:
Gastelum KO/TKO (+384) 1u

Fight #13: Holloway (C-FTW) vs. Poirier
Holloway -5.5 (-155) 3.1u to win 2u
Holloway Round 3 (+925) 1u
Holloway Round 4 (+1205) .5u
Holloway Round 5 (+1725) .25u
Holloway Unanimous Decision (+415) 1u
Holloway+Poirier Draw (+8500) .1u

Hedge:
Poirier Round 1 (+725) .5u

Straight Parlays:
Adesanya/Holloway (+110) 3u
Davis+Costa Over 1.5/Botelho (+158) 1u

Prop Parlays:
Saint Preux+Krylov WGD/Anders+Rountree WGD (+103) 1u
Saint Preux+Krylov WGD/Adesanya (+106) 1u

Full Card Props:
Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+171) .8u
Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+1181) .1u
Over 9.5 Fights Go Distance (+3500) .1u

Multi-Event Parlays:
Jones/Adesanya (-134) 2.68u to win 2u

**Hugo de Naranja** · 04-13-19, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by G Trooper

Wanna say thanks to everyone who contributes here. This is the best forum I’ve followed in any sport, period. I read everything and say next to nothing so it’s only right i pop in time to time to show appreciation for what all you guys do. I’ve gave my thanks before but in particular, Hugo, you have made me lots of monies over the last couple years and easily one of the most skilled cappers I’ve come across in plenty years of lurking. I find it crazy that the board is unanimous on Max tonight. It’s scary as hell going against you guys but in my eyes Dustin has shown nothing but improvement lately. As fire pointed out, kicks shouldn’t be a factor and if that’s the case there is no way I can wrap my head around max being a 2-1 chalk against elite competition like Dustin. I hope you guys play it small and absolutely murder the rest of the card. It just feels like it’s Poirier’s time. Shock the world my dude ! Doesn’t matter how we get there let’s all just end up in the green when it’s said and done.. good luck to everyone tonight !

Poirier is an excellent fighter. I can definitely understand someone being on him even though I've got the other side here.

**JIBBBY** · 04-13-19, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Best of luck sir!

Like wise Hugo, I see we are on the opposite side of a bunch of the fights..

I did find a bunch of these fights hard to cap when weighing in the odds so I'm taking a chance on a few.. Like Roundtree for example.. I'm just sold on Anders yet.

**Shagdogy** · 04-13-19, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by turbozed

Glad you're on board with Adesanya Shagy. This will make it a consensus play for you me and Hugo. I'm also about 4 units deep.

Might just tail that Turner bet.

Let’s go Turbo, hope this one’s good to us.

**Shagdogy** · 04-13-19, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Hugo de Naranja

Let's get it Shaggy!

Yeeeessir

**Shagdogy** · 04-13-19, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Shagdogy

I could justify plays on Salmon, Griffin, and Belal but I’m making a strong commitment to not betting favorites unless I think there’s a lot of value in the line so I’m laying off all those. Only two plays for me so far:

Adesanya -175, 4u
Turner rd 1 +240, 0.5u

I made a deal with Hugo that if the Turner bet cashes I will roll it over to Holloway.

Added:
Salmon+Jackson parlay -106, 1.06u

Had to. Have had a solid gut feel for Salmon all week and Jackson has a very favorable style matchup here.

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