UFC 220: Miocic Vs. Ngannou | 20.01.2018 (Boston, Massachusetts)

[Hugo de Naranja]

http://www.sunherald.com/sports/article160289394.html

He's a 1 round beast but I don't like how he slows down after the 1st. I know he throws the kitchen sink at guys and is in their face early throwing good combos but his work rate becomes very average very quick afterwards. His scrambling is actually pretty good IMO. Hard to judge against the talent he's fighting but I haven't saw him flat on his back yet and he's constantly fighting off all types of heel hooks and stuff without ending up on his back which is a good sign.

I disagree that Davis slows down after the first. He threw a TON of volume in that Arnett fight the whole way through. What makes you say he's a gasser?

[TPowell]

I disagree that Davis slows down after the first. He threw a TON of volume in that Arnett fight the whole way through. What makes you say he's a gasser?

He threw a lot of volume but those shots were definitely labored. Check this fight out. It was in April of last year at 155 pounds and his volume drops after a round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIRNqewJ-dk

[TPowell]

Regardless, its amazing that Bochniak is in the UFC at this point. He was beaten SOUNDLY in his last two by Jeremy Kennedy and Enrique Barzola. His short notice debut he actually performed decently until gassing and losing a 29-28 decision to Charles Rosa. I can absolutely say with 100% though that none of those 3 guys are at the level striking wise that Brandon Davis is. Barzola is a grinding style wrestler who never strikes with anyone and he still out-struck Bochniak. Kennedy is a better striker but still more of a throw volume, get you against the cage and grind on you/take you down type fighter. Rosa's standup is pretty terrible as well. Bochniak has attempted 8 TD's in 3 UFC fights and only landed a couple (none resulting in any top time really). Hard for me to see how Davis loses this fight to be honest. Maybe he find a choke?

[Hugo de Naranja]

He threw a lot of volume but those shots were definitely labored. Check this fight out. It was in April of last year at 155 pounds and his volume drops after a round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIRNqewJ-dk

Ok cool I'll look into it. Thanks!

[Hugo de Naranja]

Hate to break it to ya but Moyle is out of the Moroz fight and they are not planning to find a replacement.

[TPowell]

Hate to break it to ya but Moyle is out of the Moroz fight and they are not planning to find a replacement.

I saw that. Posted on Twitter I LOVED that fight. Moroz was going to piece her up on the feet and win an easy boring decision and cash 3-4 plays for me

[Hugo de Naranja]

I saw that. Posted on Twitter I LOVED that fight. Moroz was going to piece her up on the feet and win an easy boring decision and cash 3-4 plays for me

I hate it when that happens.

[Sanity Check]

He was training for a Titan FC fight when he got called up.

Volkan Oezdemir training for a titan FC fight is a completely different training camp than Volkan Oezdemir training to fight seriously in the UFC. The UFC does this thing where they always pretend everyone fighting is 100%. They did it to Nate Diaz the first time he fought Conor. They said "Nate is in excellent shape he was training for a triathalon".

There's no way Volkan was anywhere near 100% when he fought OSP on 1-2 weeks notice. You can see it in the way he fights, he looks completely different.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Volkan Oezdemir training for a titan FC fight is a completely different training camp than Volkan Oezdemir training to fight seriously in the UFC. The UFC does this thing where they always pretend everyone fighting is 100%. They did it to Nate Diaz the first time he fought Conor. They said "Nate is in excellent shape he was training for a triathalon".

There's no way Volkan was anywhere near 100% when he fought OSP on 1-2 weeks notice. You can see it in the way he fights, he looks completely different.

How do you explain him getting taken down over and over again by regional fighters in Bellator?

[JIBBBY]

Hate to break it to ya but Moyle is out of the Moroz fight and they are not planning to find a replacement.

You gotta almost expect one fighter to drop out on an entire UFC card these days.. Let's just hope no one else get's ruined at weigh ins and another fight is cancelled....

[Thor4140]

Well my buddies kid got the call from the ufc to fight on this card against a kid from Peru and turned it down because he had to cut 26 pounds in ten days. There are a few other issues with him turning down the fight and people in his circle are not happy with him. Good lord. Finally make it and turn the fight down.

[Thor4140]

I agree Fire.. You are totally right.. Still I gotta throw MMA logic out the window with this dude Volkan.. He's on a 5 fight win streak, only lost one fight in his MMA career.. He's fighting confident right now. DC is 39, just got his bell rung.. I'm giving Volkan the nod in this one. I just can't pull myself to bet against Volkan anymore..

If this was the DC of 5 years ago I'd be on DC.. I'm big on age when it comes to fading MMA fighters especially when they face big punchers with KO power.. Those chins start to go.. Sure DC took Rumbles best punch but can he take punches when he's a bit gassed out and getting hit with multiple punches now at 39.. I don't think he can..

He may have demons when he steps in the cage again after that head kick he took from JJ also... You lose that mental invincibility when getting KO'd like that.. Just ask Rhonda Rousey...

jibby please lets not compare and overrated Ronda Rousey to a killer named DC. The only slipping i have seen from DC is when he cursed on air and they had to bleep it. This guy is gonna get worked

[TPowell]

Well my buddies kid got the call from the ufc to fight on this card against a kid from Peru and turned it down because he had to cut 26 pounds in ten days. There are a few other issues with him turning down the fight and people in his circle are not happy with him. Good lord. Finally make it and turn the fight down.

So he was going to have to fight Barzola? Bessette is a decently known name. Surprised he didn't get the first call honestly.

[JIBBBY]

Well my buddies kid got the call from the ufc to fight on this card against a kid from Peru and turned it down because he had to cut 26 pounds in ten days. There are a few other issues with him turning down the fight and people in his circle are not happy with him. Good lord. Finally make it and turn the fight down.

How old is he Thor?

Sounds like he wasn't in fighting shape and not serious about his MMA future..

I think when you are on the brink of making the UFC you gotta stay in prime shape and be ready to go for your weight division at short notice call up.. You gotta know you will be facing a very good fighter also in the UFC and this might be your only shot to make a real go at the sport.... That is if you wanna make a good living off it anyways..

Hard to get up and train violently every day in this sport, gotta make it a life style and like it... Needless to say you also need to keep a strict diet and the weight down..

[Thor4140]

So he was going to have to fight Barzola? Bessette is a decently known name. Surprised he didn't get the first call honestly.

is his first name Enrique

[TPowell]

is his first name Enrique

Yep Enrique Barzola

[TPowell]

He probably could have came in and missed weight by 3-4 pounds and lost and still got another shot in the UFC though

[Thor4140]

How old is he Thor?

Sounds like he wasn't in fighting shape and not serious about his MMA future..

I think when you are on the brink of making the UFC you gotta stay in prime shape and be ready to go for your weight division at short notice call up.. You gotta know you will be facing a very good fighter also in the UFC and this might be your only shot to make a real go at the sport.... That is if you wanna make a good living off it anyways..

Hard to get up and train violently every day in this sport, gotta make it a life style and like it... Needless to say you also need to keep a strict diet and the weight down..

He is 26. His management team told him to stay ready. He just fought late December. Holidays were to much i guess. The other kid was a brown belt. He could have beat him without training we think. I rteally don't now what to say. His dad is furious.

[Thor4140]

He probably could have came in and missed weight by 3-4 pounds and lost and still got another shot in the UFC though

I told his dad to tell them to fight at a catch weight like 150. Im really disappointed with him hopefully he didn't fuk this up.

[TPowell]

I told his dad to tell them to fight at a catch weight like 150. Im really disappointed with him hopefully he didn't fuk this up.

Hopefully not. Could have at least said he was sick/injured

[Thor4140]

Yep Enrique Barzola

That must be him. His dad never gets the whole name right. I told his dad this is a card u would want to be on. A huge heavyweight fight always attacks big numbers and to me this is one of the biggest in UFC history

[Thor4140]

Hopefully not. Could have at least said he was sick/injured

honestly his dad and me have no idea what was said unless he didn't give a quick answer and they went to someone else. Him and his dad have a love hate relationship. Not sure they are even talking now. This isn't a dumb kid either. He has a college degree

[turbozed]

Well the only women's mma fight on this card has been cancelled due to Moyle injury.

I think this year I'll be looking out for upcoming Invicta events to cap earlier instead of after the lines come out. Anyone interested in doing this with me? I know it's painful watching WMMA tape but think there's a big edge in WMMA. (1) Easier to find bargains; (2) not as much variance so less need to hedge; (3) easier to figure out what they are doing since lower level technique.

[Sanity Check]

How do you explain him getting taken down over and over again by regional fighters in Bellator?

Volkan Oezdemir fighting in bellator, being paid maybe $2,500 per fight doesn't give him the funds to hire a good wrestling coach or bring in olympic level wrestlers for training. Its also not worth it from a cost effective perspective. Volkan could probably murder everyone on belllators regional scene without training 100%. He might get away with winning his fights putting 50% effort into a training camp. That's the path of least resistance, a lot of MMA fighters only put the effort and money into their training camps they think they'll need to win their fights.

Its not a thing where everyone trains for every fight as if it were a title fight. There are a lot of MMA fighters who are inconsistent. They'll hire coaches and train seriously in one fight and they'll look great. Then in the next, they'll try to find ways to cut corners so that they can reduce the cost of their training camps and they'll look terrible. Its a real factor.

[Demonata]

Volkan Oezdemir fighting in bellator, being paid maybe $2,500 per fight doesn't give him the funds to hire a good wrestling coach or bring in olympic level wrestlers for training. Its also not worth it from a cost effective perspective. Volkan could probably murder everyone on belllators regional scene without training 100%. He might get away with winning his fights putting 50% effort into a training camp. That's the path of least resistance, a lot of MMA fighters only put the effort and money into their training camps they think they'll need to win their fights.

Its not a thing where everyone trains for every fight as if it were a title fight. There are a lot of MMA fighters who are inconsistent. They'll hire coaches and train seriously in one fight and they'll look great. Then in the next, they'll try to find ways to cut corners so that they can reduce the cost of their training camps and they'll look terrible. Its a real factor.

I think they train hard for every fight considering they are lucky to get 2 to 3 fights a year anyway. Also it's not like ufc fighters make tons if money. The one's that dont last dont train hard.

[Sanity Check]

I think they train hard for every fight.

They only train as hard as they need to beat their opponent.

If you want an example, look at Andre Soukhamthath. He looks a lot better fighting in the UFC, than he did when he was fighting in bellator being paid $2,500 per fight.

When fighters from smaller promotions make it into the UFC, they step up their training and put more into their preparation. There's no reason to put 100% into a camp, and murder yourself in training when bellator is paying you less than $10,000 per fight.

[RussianMike]

I'm not trolling. I've got Stipe big here. I think Ngannou is a good fighter but the hype train is out of control.

I'm betting against the hype as well, but gonna parlay him with over 1.5 at plus money as well. Don't think Stipe can KO him early, Ngannou seems to have good guard up even when stalking dudes around octagon like wild prey. Haven't seen him drop his hand yet, which is a pretty common slip most bigger fighters tend to do every now and then. When considering Stipe gonna come out cautious, maybe Ngannou will as well, careful of takedown. Don't do 5 dimes, so not sure what the prop odds are for Stipe KO, but Stipe at +160 parlayed with over at +130 (Will. Hill) pays +500 seems like a more prudent, safer bet to me. Can see Stipe winning by decision. Maybe if he can hold top control for a few rounds. LOL. Just the idea of 5 fuckin rounds in a cage with that beast making me sweat.

[RussianMike]

They only train as hard as they need to beat their opponent.

If you want an example, look at Andre Soukhamthath. He looks a lot better fighting in the UFC, than he did when he was fighting in bellator being paid $2,500 per fight.

When fighters from smaller promotions make it into the UFC, they step up their training and put more into their preparation. There's no reason to put 100% into a camp, and murder yourself in training when bellator is paying you less than $10,000 per fight.

Training hard and training better, smarter, with a better camp is two totally different things. Sure, when u got a job and other stresses on your plate, and your camping with dad holding the pads it's a different story, but trust me, when training for a fight, you still training hard as you can to win a fight. Unless they happen to be Melvin Guillard. Most stories about not training hard involve nightlife and /or cocaine. End of the day, nobody training for a fight wants to lose. If they are training, they are training hard. Maybe not smart or doing the wrong kinda training. But that is more about being with a good camp. Dudes coming up aren't training for the money. They are training to win a fight. It's the guys who have been around that see the business side of it more, but I'd guess even they aren't thinking about the money as much as winning the fight.

[RussianMike]

Volkan Oezdemir training for a titan FC fight is a completely different training camp than Volkan Oezdemir training to fight seriously in the UFC. The UFC does this thing where they always pretend everyone fighting is 100%. They did it to Nate Diaz the first time he fought Conor. They said "Nate is in excellent shape he was training for a triathalon".

There's no way Volkan was anywhere near 100% when he fought OSP on 1-2 weeks notice. You can see it in the way he fights, he looks completely different.

I just don't see him bringing anything different or better than Alexander Gustaffsson brought against DC. Long as Volkan been fighting, he still looks pretty raw. Tends to get outta control. Leads with his chin often.

[TPowell]

Well the only women's mma fight on this card has been cancelled due to Moyle injury.

I think this year I'll be looking out for upcoming Invicta events to cap earlier instead of after the lines come out. Anyone interested in doing this with me? I know it's painful watching WMMA tape but think there's a big edge in WMMA. (1) Easier to find bargains; (2) not as much variance so less need to hedge; (3) easier to figure out what they are doing since lower level technique.

Turbo, I'm in buddy. When is the first card? I'll keep a spreadsheet of our fighter breakdowns as well like I do with mine to make it easier the 2nd time around

[TPowell]

Almeida/Font essentially a pickem? I know Almeida brawls too much and Font is a very good technical striker but Almeida went toe to toe with Rivera who is probably better on the feet and looked pretty good. Font's last performance certainly soured me and I think he chokes when he steps up in competition.

[turbozed]

Turbo, I'm in buddy. When is the first card? I'll keep a spreadsheet of our fighter breakdowns as well like I do with mine to make it easier the 2nd time around

Looks like we'll have to wait another couple of months until the next one since Invicta 27 was just last weekend. Going to keep an eye out on future events and make a thread for each.

[Demonata]

Almeida/Font essentially a pickem? I know Almeida brawls too much and Font is a very good technical striker but Almeida went toe to toe with Rivera who is probably better on the feet and looked pretty good. Font's last performance certainly soured me and I think he chokes when he steps up in competition.

I think almeida wins by tko. I'm really confident. Almeida I thought would be more of a favorite than that line

[TPowell]

I think almeida wins by tko. I'm really confident. Almeida I thought would be more of a favorite than that line

He opened at -175 and got bet down QUICK. I think that line is correct. Down to -115 though and I think I'm going to take a couple unit stab

[Hugo de Naranja]

Almeida/Font essentially a pickem? I know Almeida brawls too much and Font is a very good technical striker but Almeida went toe to toe with Rivera who is probably better on the feet and looked pretty good. Font's last performance certainly soured me and I think he chokes when he steps up in competition.

Totally different style matchup and he was tuning Munhoz up on the feet before he got Guillotine'd. That's not to say Almeida isn't super dangerous, but I'm leaning Font to win this fight.