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bj penn fighting again LOLLLLLLLComment -
I guess the one silver lining in this whole thing is that Hall must've not messed his knee as bad as it looked.
Went from 15-5-1 career record, to going 1-8-1 in his last 10 fights, and as you said, hasn't won in almost a decade. At this point I think any new fan of MMA will look at his record and not realize he was a GOAT for a stretch. Dana stopped Chuck from fighting in the UFC, should've done the same here after the Yair fight IMO.Comment -
Fading bj penm is good money nowadays.Comment -
tbh Bj Penn was the best 155 of his Era by far imo , he had the natural skills and that only took him so far in his generation
its like Matt Hughes if he came into this generation of 170 he would get demolished
Bj had the best balance ive ever seen , was actually super athletic for his build , long reach, crisp boxing and an amazing ground game he was one of the first guys that could truly mix it up and he had an iron chin with a fighters mentality .. Definitely not overrated IMO just waited around much too long and it tarnished his legacy and he was blessed to be so gifted naturally but it was his downfall because he didnt always have the work ethic / game plans to win fightsComment -
In that era, Bj was the best. Losing to machida at light heavweight, whos taking that fight first of all? Arguably beating GSP, while being one weight class lower, double champ, beating matt hughes. You will need to understand what this equate in todays era, for it to make sense. Hes not overrated, but he sure does a fine job tarnishing his legacy. There is also something special with BJ penns way of communicating, or his presence is maybe a better word, that triggered the public, a bit like american psycho. I think we all felt BJ was a little bit crazy, but he was extremely passionate about fighting, he was from a wealthy family, but he just loved to fight, and so he did. And he was super talented. Withouth BJ penn, there wouldnt maybe have been a jon jones. Without led zeppelin, there wouldnt have been a tame impala. Overrated? Theres more wrong with the use of overrated about BJ than right.Comment -
When that being said, Give me Guida wins in round 1 all day!!!Comment -
I'll never forget the video of Penn jumping out of a hot tub like it was nothing.
Does bring up an interesting discussion of overrated "greats" or defending champions, his record definitely lends the argument now.Comment -
Great fighters beat multiple generations of opponents. I.e. GSP beat Hughes x2, Penn x2 as Gen 1, Alves and Diaz as Gen 2, and Condit and Hendricks as Gen 3. Jones beat Shogun and Rampage as Gen 1, Machida and TRT Belfort as Gen 2, and DC x2 and Gustafsson x2 as Gen 3.
Penn did well against guys like Matt Serra and Joe Stevenson but he never evolved. When the new generation of fighters came in, they all kicked his ass. Whether it was Gen 2 fighters like Diaz, Edgar, or MacDonald or Gen 3 fighters like Yair and Hall, BJ showed no evolution and did not keep pace with new talents like truly great fighters.
He will be lucky to finish his career as a .500 fighter.Comment -
Penn was solid in his prime (2004 - 2009) but knowing when to hang it up is a critical part of legacy as well.Comment -
thats the key word he never evolved , because he was so natural at fighting he thought he could just cruise by forever.. strictly MMA talent hes an all time great that just never had the commitment of all time greats like a GSP and also he was crazy and took fights that he should never have taken.. Talent wise hes better than a great like GSP but he didnt have that work ethic/ cherry picked opponents at the end of his career
definitely tarnished his legacy with all these fights when hes clearly past his prime though.. but IMO hes the 155 goat like GSP is he 170 goat.. basically ended his career like Chuck Liddell, sad to see especially when he doesnt need the moneyComment -
Yes, thats true, never evolved and threw away his talent and had a short surge of greatness. Within that timeframe he was on his way to be one of the greats. He also had that x-factor and starpower who make him possible perceived as better than he actually was. Not as great as GSP, silva and not any jon jones, but he should maybe me mentioned as a top 10 fighter of all times.Comment -
Definitely got to fade the old legends. Nowadays i fade bj penn anderson silva vitor belfort all the time no matter who they fight.Comment -
SBR Sportsbook has some free money IMO with this MMA futures prop
Kamaru Usman to be UFC champ at end of 2019 +200
Don't see who beats the guy. Covington won't. Probably another fight at end of year with either Till or Askren in which Usman should be favored as well. Then you got potential injuries and fight cancellations in there as a bonus.
Khabib -125 also attractive since he most likely fights only once this year (winner of Max and Dustin). So you're getting him -125 against either guy.Comment -
Any chance Khabib gets stripped?Comment -
GG/Lee fight is off after all. I put the curse on it.
Might be for the better, would really like to see him against Alexander so he can dominate him and bring him back down to earth.Comment -
Ragin Al v. Cowboy set for Ottawa May 4th! I'm liking Al ITD by KOComment -
Also reading that Dana is hard up on an Askren/Lawler rematch, wonder what the lines will look like this time out. Definitely don't see Askren opening as an almost 3-1 favorite despite winning.Comment -
tj dillashaw suspended 1 year
KNEW ITComment
