Future Fights Thread

[Demonata]

edson barboza -140
justin gaethje +120

hmmmm line is pretty solid imo, very hard fight to gauge , could see it going either way
regardless if Gaethje wins i think hell take a lot of damage in the process

Might be a good bet to just bet for a finish and cheer for both?

[Hugo de Naranja]

Might be a good bet to just bet for a finish and cheer for both?

I'd estimate Won't Go Distance will be (-400) to (-500) so probably not a ton of value there.

[Demonata]

I'd estimate Won't Go Distance will be (-400) to (-500) so probably not a ton of value there.

Damn. I dont think i ever bet anything other than moneyline so I have no idea.might be good parlay filler though

[LandonBang]

edson barboza -140
justin gaethje +120

hmmmm line is pretty solid imo, very hard fight to gauge , could see it going either way
regardless if Gaethje wins i think hell take a lot of damage in the process

I like barboza in this one

[firekillex]

bj penn fighting again LOLLLLLLL

[HurlSweatPants]

bj penn fighting again LOLLLLLLL

Sad. Against Guida too which is even more LOL.

[firekillex]

Sad. Against Guida too which is even more LOL.

6 losses in a row and hasnt got a win since 2010..... this is just sad to watch at this point
really really hope he hangs it up after losing to Guida

[HurlSweatPants]

6 losses in a row and hasnt got a win since 2010..... this is just sad to watch at this point
really really hope he hangs it up after losing to Guida

I guess the one silver lining in this whole thing is that Hall must've not messed his knee as bad as it looked.

Went from 15-5-1 career record, to going 1-8-1 in his last 10 fights, and as you said, hasn't won in almost a decade. At this point I think any new fan of MMA will look at his record and not realize he was a GOAT for a stretch. Dana stopped Chuck from fighting in the UFC, should've done the same here after the Yair fight IMO.

[PaperTrail07]

Diego Sanchez just finished his first fight in OVER A DECADE LOL......meaning 1 thing....he got his ass kicked or won decisions for 10 years and kept on coming...LOL insanity IMO.....

I guess the one silver lining in this whole thing is that Hall must've not messed his knee as bad as it looked.

Went from 15-5-1 career record, to going 1-8-1 in his last 10 fights, and as you said, hasn't won in almost a decade. At this point I think any new fan of MMA will look at his record and not realize he was a GOAT for a stretch. Dana stopped Chuck from fighting in the UFC, should've done the same here after the Yair fight IMO.

[Demonata]

Fading bj penm is good money nowadays.

[Hugo de Naranja]

I guess the one silver lining in this whole thing is that Hall must've not messed his knee as bad as it looked.

Went from 15-5-1 career record, to going 1-8-1 in his last 10 fights, and as you said, hasn't won in almost a decade. At this point I think any new fan of MMA will look at his record and not realize he was a GOAT for a stretch. Dana stopped Chuck from fighting in the UFC, should've done the same here after the Yair fight IMO.

I am newer to MMA than some on the forum but I think B.J. Penn is the most overrated fighter in MMA history by a wide margin.

[firekillex]

tbh Bj Penn was the best 155 of his Era by far imo , he had the natural skills and that only took him so far in his generation
its like Matt Hughes if he came into this generation of 170 he would get demolished

Bj had the best balance ive ever seen , was actually super athletic for his build , long reach, crisp boxing and an amazing ground game he was one of the first guys that could truly mix it up and he had an iron chin with a fighters mentality .. Definitely not overrated IMO just waited around much too long and it tarnished his legacy and he was blessed to be so gifted naturally but it was his downfall because he didnt always have the work ethic / game plans to win fights

[bjpenn85]

I am newer to MMA than some on the forum but I think B.J. Penn is the most overrated fighter in MMA history by a wide margin.

In that era, Bj was the best. Losing to machida at light heavweight, whos taking that fight first of all? Arguably beating GSP, while being one weight class lower, double champ, beating matt hughes. You will need to understand what this equate in todays era, for it to make sense. Hes not overrated, but he sure does a fine job tarnishing his legacy. There is also something special with BJ penns way of communicating, or his presence is maybe a better word, that triggered the public, a bit like american psycho. I think we all felt BJ was a little bit crazy, but he was extremely passionate about fighting, he was from a wealthy family, but he just loved to fight, and so he did. And he was super talented. Withouth BJ penn, there wouldnt maybe have been a jon jones. Without led zeppelin, there wouldnt have been a tame impala. Overrated? Theres more wrong with the use of overrated about BJ than right.

[bjpenn85]

When that being said, Give me Guida wins in round 1 all day!!!

[HurlSweatPants]

I'll never forget the video of Penn jumping out of a hot tub like it was nothing.

Does bring up an interesting discussion of overrated "greats" or defending champions, his record definitely lends the argument now.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Great fighters beat multiple generations of opponents. I.e. GSP beat Hughes x2, Penn x2 as Gen 1, Alves and Diaz as Gen 2, and Condit and Hendricks as Gen 3. Jones beat Shogun and Rampage as Gen 1, Machida and TRT Belfort as Gen 2, and DC x2 and Gustafsson x2 as Gen 3.

Penn did well against guys like Matt Serra and Joe Stevenson but he never evolved. When the new generation of fighters came in, they all kicked his ass. Whether it was Gen 2 fighters like Diaz, Edgar, or MacDonald or Gen 3 fighters like Yair and Hall, BJ showed no evolution and did not keep pace with new talents like truly great fighters.

He will be lucky to finish his career as a .500 fighter.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Penn was solid in his prime (2004 - 2009) but knowing when to hang it up is a critical part of legacy as well.

[firekillex]

Great fighters beat multiple generations of opponents. I.e. GSP beat Hughes x2, Penn x2 as Gen 1, Alves and Diaz as Gen 2, and Condit and Hendricks as Gen 3. Jones beat Shogun and Rampage as Gen 1, Machida and TRT Belfort as Gen 2, and DC x2 and Gustafsson x2 as Gen 3.
Penn did well against guys like Matt Serra and Joe Stevenson but he never evolved. When the new generation of fighters came in, they all kicked his ass. Whether it was Gen 2 fighters like Diaz, Edgar, or MacDonald or Gen 3 fighters like Yair and Hall, BJ showed no evolution and did not keep pace with new talents like truly great fighters.

He will be lucky to finish his career as a .500 fighter.

thats the key word he never evolved , because he was so natural at fighting he thought he could just cruise by forever.. strictly MMA talent hes an all time great that just never had the commitment of all time greats like a GSP and also he was crazy and took fights that he should never have taken.. Talent wise hes better than a great like GSP but he didnt have that work ethic/ cherry picked opponents at the end of his career

definitely tarnished his legacy with all these fights when hes clearly past his prime though.. but IMO hes the 155 goat like GSP is he 170 goat.. basically ended his career like Chuck Liddell, sad to see especially when he doesnt need the money

[bjpenn85]

Great fighters beat multiple generations of opponents. I.e. GSP beat Hughes x2, Penn x2 as Gen 1, Alves and Diaz as Gen 2, and Condit and Hendricks as Gen 3. Jones beat Shogun and Rampage as Gen 1, Machida and TRT Belfort as Gen 2, and DC x2 and Gustafsson x2 as Gen 3.

Penn did well against guys like Matt Serra and Joe Stevenson but he never evolved. When the new generation of fighters came in, they all kicked his ass. Whether it was Gen 2 fighters like Diaz, Edgar, or MacDonald or Gen 3 fighters like Yair and Hall, BJ showed no evolution and did not keep pace with new talents like truly great fighters.

He will be lucky to finish his career as a .500 fighter.

Yes, thats true, never evolved and threw away his talent and had a short surge of greatness. Within that timeframe he was on his way to be one of the greats. He also had that x-factor and starpower who make him possible perceived as better than he actually was. Not as great as GSP, silva and not any jon jones, but he should maybe me mentioned as a top 10 fighter of all times.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Yes, thats true, never evolved and threw away his talent and had a short surge of greatness. Within that timeframe he was on his way to be one of the greats. He also had that x-factor and starpower who make him possible perceived as better than he actually was. Not as great as GSP, silva and not any jon jones, but he should maybe me mentioned as a top 10 fighter of all times.

Did have a lot of natural talent for sure. Gotta work hard to be the best though and his work ethic always lacked behind his talent.

[Demonata]

Definitely got to fade the old legends. Nowadays i fade bj penn anderson silva vitor belfort all the time no matter who they fight.

[turbozed]

SBR Sportsbook has some free money IMO with this MMA futures prop

Kamaru Usman to be UFC champ at end of 2019 +200

Don't see who beats the guy. Covington won't. Probably another fight at end of year with either Till or Askren in which Usman should be favored as well. Then you got potential injuries and fight cancellations in there as a bonus.

Khabib -125 also attractive since he most likely fights only once this year (winner of Max and Dustin). So you're getting him -125 against either guy.

[Hugo de Naranja]

SBR Sportsbook has some free money IMO with this MMA futures prop

Kamaru Usman to be UFC champ at end of 2019 +200

Don't see who beats the guy. Covington won't. Probably another fight at end of year with either Till or Askren in which Usman should be favored as well. Then you got potential injuries and fight cancellations in there as a bonus.

Khabib -125 also attractive since he most likely fights only once this year (winner of Max and Dustin). So you're getting him -125 against either guy.

Good calls

[Hugo de Naranja]

Any chance Khabib gets stripped?

[firekillex]

Any chance Khabib gets stripped?

saying he wont fight until his friends suspensions are off.... probably get booked vs the winner of Holloway Porier but if he gets hurt or anything pushes back he could get stripped

[PaperTrail07]

I remember that too lol.......IMO it shows what wear and tear and AGE does.....that's it...physically and mentally...

I'll never forget the video of Penn jumping out of a hot tub like it was nothing.

Does bring up an interesting discussion of overrated "greats" or defending champions, his record definitely lends the argument now.

[CasaBonita]

Any chance Khabib gets stripped?

I dont think so man, i think he also got only 1 fight left in his contract

[HurlSweatPants]

GG/Lee fight is off after all. I put the curse on it.

Might be for the better, would really like to see him against Alexander so he can dominate him and bring him back down to earth.

[PaperTrail07]

Personally....don't like the matchup anyways....give GG a bigger shot IMO....guys legit...

GG/Lee fight is off after all. I put the curse on it.

Might be for the better, would really like to see him against Alexander so he can dominate him and bring him back down to earth.

[HurlSweatPants]

Personally....don't like the matchup anyways....give GG a bigger shot IMO....guys legit...

Idk man, I didn't like the matchup either, but I am not sure he is going to get someone bigger than Lee, at least rankings wise.

[praisebuddha]

Ragin Al v. Cowboy set for Ottawa May 4th! I'm liking Al ITD by KO

[firekillex]

Ragin Al v. Cowboy set for Ottawa May 4th! I'm liking Al ITD by KO

damn thats a sweet fight.... makes me wanna go to that card almost
very exciting styles, could see either winning tbh Cowboy is a bit more skilled but Al has the toughness could see either guy winning

wonder where the odds will be

[HurlSweatPants]

Also reading that Dana is hard up on an Askren/Lawler rematch, wonder what the lines will look like this time out. Definitely don't see Askren opening as an almost 3-1 favorite despite winning.

[firekillex]

tj dillashaw suspended 1 year
KNEW IT

[JAKEPEAVY21]

damn thats a sweet fight.... makes me wanna go to that card almost
very exciting styles, could see either winning tbh Cowboy is a bit more skilled but Al has the toughness could see either guy winning

wonder where the odds will be

Al is going to take this one