UFC 175: Weidman vs. Machida (July 05, 2014)

[NunyaBidness]

The most frustrating thing about you, Jibby, is that you're unbelievably loud and vocal for a guy who has nothing to say.

You are unbelievably rude to Jibbers for no real reason.

It's not like he's arguing with people or saying he's up a billion units or something, he's just doing some level 1 thinking. His comments in this forum are on par with the best comments in all the other sub-groups.

I mean, it's not like he's arguing game theory with me while clearly having no understanding of it.

[Vaughany]

Lol

#TeamJibbehhh

[MD]

You are unbelievably rude to Jibbers for no real reason.

It's not like he's arguing with people or saying he's up a billion units or something, he's just doing some level 1 thinking. His comments in this forum are on par with the best comments in all the other sub-groups.

I mean, it's not like he's arguing game theory with me while clearly having no understanding of it.

Yeah, I know. I don't know what it is about the guy, but his posts just rub me the wrong way. He consistently manages to post things that I think are horribly off-base and have no merit whatsoever, and word-for-word he posts more than almost anyone else here. It numbs my mind sometimes.

Also, the guy claims that he gets paid to write for MMA sites, dude. C'maaaahn.

I mean, it's not like he's arguing game theory with me while clearly having no understanding of it.

Bit of an ironic time to bring that up, considering that you said after the Weidman/Silva fight that you'd take Silva -200 in a rematch because he was clearly winning until the stoppage. My technical knowledge must be rubbing off on you in the same way that your game theory knowledge is rubbing off on me.

[NunyaBidness]

Y
Bit of an ironic time to bring that up, considering that you said after the Weidman/Silva fight that you'd take Silva -200 in a rematch because he was clearly winning until the stoppage. My technical knowledge must be rubbing off on you in the same way that your game theory knowledge is rubbing off on me.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings, Dublin.

FWIW, I'm on Machida, still not sold on Weidman as the greatest striker on earth. Plus, his cardio is possibly suspect.

[MD]

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings, Dublin.

FWIW, I'm on Machida, still not sold on Weidman as the greatest striker on earth. Plus, his cardio is possibly suspect.

I meant it in a good way. I'm certainly much more knowledgeable about game theory because of you than I was a couple of years ago, and there's nothing wrong with that; I've been wrong arguing game theory with you before, and you've been wrong arguing MMA with me before. If I never bothered arguing game theory with you and finding out where I'm being ineffective in my thinking, I wouldn't be growing.

I'm big on Weidman; I certainly don't think that he's the best striker on earth, he's certainly not Machida, but he wasn't Anderson, either. Weidman's strength on the feet doesn't come from a deep arsenal of techniques or a lifetime of experience, it comes from phenomenal fight IQ, ring presence and game planning. Jon Jones' effectiveness on the feet can be narrowed down to similar factors, though he obviously implements them differently.

[JIBBBY]

Hey, I have fun with you clowns on these threads.. I don't get offended easily either so no worries.. I'm forum battle savy..

I just want to break down fights to the basics which helps you pick winners, it's not rocket science.... You do your homework, you do it again. Watch the recent vid fights over again. Read the write ups. You figure out style match ups and go from there.. Figure out a fighters strengths and weaknesses.. Who's durable and who's not for the over and under round bets.. Cardio and not.. Etc..

I post link information on fights which seem fan friendly sure.. I personally go back to all the posts in these event threads and put it all together and then place my bets.. I think that helps me win bets. Hopefully you guys get something from it too and win..

I said this before - Really decided to join this sub forum community here to understand the betting side of MMA plays more then anything else.. Honest truth...

I feel I have always been able to pick em more then not, I'm not up a billion units, I absolutely do lose at times but not so often... I try to stay humble and friendly as always... Not my style to rip on people.. Good karma leads to good luck also as silly as that sounds..

I also like that this forum is into charities as well in order to become a pro.. I'm certainly not a pro gambler yet and won't go pro until I feel I'm that.... This is not my main income even though I hope it will be one day.. So I'll always listen to what you guy have to say, including you MD...

Thanks fellas

Back to the fight please...

[NunyaBidness]

I also like that this forum is into charities as well in order to become a pro.. I'm certainly not a pro gambler yet and won't go pro until I feel I'm that....

This forum is also into brutal racism and homophobia.

Also, pro membership has nothing to do with whether or not you're a pro at sportsbetting. The 'pros' here who run their own point sportsbooks and what not have got to be the biggest brokeasses on earth. I mean, I'm not too proud to take the free pizza and shit, but the effort these guys put into to win pennies is pretty ridiculous.

[MD]

Hey, I have fun with you clowns on these threads.. I don't get offended easily either so no worries.. I'm forum battle savy..

I just want to break down fights to the basics which helps you pick winners, it's not rocket science.... You do your homework, you do it again. Watch the recent vid fights over again. Read the write ups. You figure out style match ups and go from there.. Figure out a fighters strengths and weaknesses.. Who's durable and who's not for the over and under round bets.. Cardio and not.. Etc..

I post link information on fights which seem fan friendly sure.. I personally go back to all the posts in these event threads and put it all together and then place my bets.. I think that helps me win bets. Hopefully you guys get something from it too and win..

I said this before - Really decided to join this sub forum community here to understand the betting side of MMA plays more then anything else.. Honest truth...

I feel I have always been able to pick em more then not, I'm not up a billion units, I absolutely do lose at times but not so often... I try to stay humble and friendly as always... Not my style to rip on people.. Good karma leads to good luck also as silly as that sounds..

I also like that this forum is into charities as well in order to become a pro.. I'm certainly not a pro gambler yet and won't go pro until I feel I'm that.... This is not my main income even though I hope it will be one day.. So I'll always listen to what you guy have to say, including you MD...

Thanks fellas

Back to the fight please...

For what it's worth, the only reason you annoy me so much is because I like you and thus I often find myself reading your posts without even thinking about it.

There are some guys here who I think are really smart but know fuuck-all about MMA, and I avoid reading 90% of their posts without issue.

Also, going SBR pro isn't an indicator of being an actual "pro" in gambling, it's just a method through which you can actually get some use out of your betpoints. It's worth something like $300 a year in EV (Nunya's number, not mine, and I might be misquoting it), so it's definitely worth your time, especially considering that you can become a pro for free if you deposit through a sponsored sportsbook link.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Last I checked, they took away the sportsbook registration for pro status deal...

[MD]

Last I checked, they took away the sportsbook registration for pro status deal...

It's different now depending on if you're from the US or not, right?

I remember reading something about US posters being grandfathered into SBR pro status.

[Beelzebubzy]

It's different now depending on if you're from the US or not, right?

I remember reading something about US posters being grandfathered into SBR pro status.

I wasn't. I was a pro due to giving 5dimes some cash
Then they took my membership away and I had to give them points

[JIBBBY]

I'm really starting to lean towards Machida at this new lower weight class.. I'm just not confident Weidman can figure out his style and match his speed.. Weidman at only 11-0 is a bad man though.. Machida has so many more fights under his belt also... Machida is a REAL seasoned veteran with alot of tricks and angles that may just effect Weidman..

Weidman isn't coming in as an underdog this time around either as he's certainly expected to win.. Wonder how that might effect his mind set? This is for the UFC title too, and if you think Machida won't be prepared and ready you're crazy!!! Winning the title and defending it twice against the same guy is one thing but defending it against a guy like Machida who's surely hungry for the title at his age just might be alot more difficult..

This fight really has me intrigued!!!!! Judging is always a concern also if it goes the distance which I think it will..

I'm looking at who Weidman has fought in the UFC to date.. Alot of cans today, old guys, or under developed fighters really.. Weidman went 3 rounds with D. Maia years ago when Maia was still developing his stand up.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Chris-Weidman-42804

I convinced myself I'm now on Machida.. Shogun dropped him with aggression at a higher weight class but I don't think Weidman fights that aggressive.. Still really hate betting against undefeated fighters with more then 10 pro fights and with more then half of those wins being in the UFC!!!

[Lick496]

anyone know how chris' knee is?

[MD]

anyone know how chris' knee is?

Better than it was in the Anderson fights, probably.

He had both of his knees scoped in the same day (which is unusual), and was sprinting around soon after. The meniscus was out of place and snapping against his knee; it occasionally caused his knee to completely lock up and cease functioning, which could be catastrophic in a fight. Other than the huge issue with any surgery (inflammation), I really don't think it will have any sort of negative effect on him.

[Lick496]

thanks.

Why are there hardly any props for this card out? Usually i think they would have more than just a couple for that main event by now.

[JIBBBY]

Any of you guys think Uriah Hall is extremely overrated like I do?

Thinking if Thiago Santas has enough to beat him?.. I will be working on this fight tonight.. I'm thinking this could be a live dog anyways.. Need to read and see more on Thiago Santos (recent info) before I run my mouth though... Just fishing right now as we slowly inch closer to fight time...

[Ron_Paul_2012]

I meant it in a good way. I'm certainly much more knowledgeable about game theory because of you than I was a couple of years ago, and there's nothing wrong with that; I've been wrong arguing game theory with you before, and you've been wrong arguing MMA with me before. If I never bothered arguing game theory with you and finding out where I'm being ineffective in my thinking, I wouldn't be growing.

I'm big on Weidman; I certainly don't think that he's the best striker on earth, he's certainly not Machida, but he wasn't Anderson, either. Weidman's strength on the feet doesn't come from a deep arsenal of techniques or a lifetime of experience, it comes from phenomenal fight IQ, ring presence and game planning. Jon Jones' effectiveness on the feet can be narrowed down to similar factors, though he obviously implements them differently.

I have 17 units on Weidman. This fight will not be as close as people think.

[NunyaBidness]

I have 17 units on Weidman. This fight will not be as close as people think.

I don't expect it to be close, I expect one to stop the other.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

I don't expect it to be close, I expect one to stop the other.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

I don't expect it to be close, I expect one to stop the other.

You believe Machida will catch Weidman coming in on him. You may be correct. I've been wrong before. I suppose there is a reason why the odds are somewhat close.

[MD]

I don't expect it to be close, I expect one to stop the other.

Odds of Machida stopping Weidman are <10%, IMO. I think the majority of his wins are decisions here; Weidman is probably the best defensive striker Machida's ever fought, he's incredibly difficult to hit, and is much better at creating openings while staying safe than Mousasi is, which was his downfall in that fight.

[JIBBBY]

Odds of Machida stopping Weidman are <10%, IMO. I think the majority of his wins are decisions here.

He's finished some fights in hurry and went the distance with other.s. Same with Weidman.. It's a crap shoot... I'm personally thinking they will both fight cautious and not be reckless in a title fight myself for a few rounds atleast...

I'm trying to cap this Uriah Hall fight now and reading in..

You guys are nuts to load up on Weidman.. Ron and MD...

Just look at the level of talent Machida has faced over the years and compare it to Weidman.. It's night and day.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lyoto-Machida-7513

I'm not gonna load up on Machida but I will play him for a few units as the underdog.. I'm moving on from this fight at this point.. Made up my mind.. Wish ya all luck anyways...

[MD]

He's finished some fights in hurry and went the distance with other.s. Same with Weidman.. It's a crap shoot... I'm personally thinking they will both fight cautious and not be reckless in a title fight myself for a few rounds atleast...

I'm trying to cap this Uriah Hall fight now and reading in..

You guys are nuts to load up on Weidman.. Ron and MD...

Just look at the level of talent Machida has faced over the years and compare it to Weidman.. It's night and day.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lyoto-Machida-7513

I'm not gonna load up on Machida but I will play him for a few units as the underdog.. I'm moving on from this fight at this point.. Made up my mind.. Wish ya all luck anyways...

Unfortunately for wikicappers everywhere, that means next to nothing. Just ask Anderson Silva. Or, ask Lyoto, since he had faced the better competition when he fought Jones, too.

[JIBBBY]

Unfortunately for wikicappers everywhere, that means next to nothing. Just ask Anderson Silva. Or, ask Lyoto, since he had faced the better competition when he fought Jones, too.

Apples and Oranges MD.. Wikicappers or not... For the record - If you're gonna label me as one of those simple minded fan cappers like Nunya did in an above post then make it a sherdogcapper if you must.. That suits me better... Love sherdog fighter links and always will... I'll tell that on the mountain, loud and proud til I die!!!

Going with value in this fight pal and that happens to be on Machida!!!.. Let the chips fall where they may!!! Gonna wait til fight time when those odds probably reach +200 or more to place though...

I find myself liking alot of the dogs on this card unlike the last 2 UFC cards... Hmmm?

Oh and MD if you did load up on Weidman for your sake I hope you don't come up short.........

[snufflyjoe]

Im liking a few of the props available at my book. I think your off your betting on Machida or Struve .

Rousey by T/KO +450
Weidman by Sub +550
Mitrione SU +145
Mitrione in round 1 +375
Santos in round 1 +1100

[TheCalculator]

You are unbelievably rude to Jibbers for no real reason.
.

Coming from you that's saying something.

2011-2013 - you had a lock on cawksucker of the year.

You seem to be a calmer creature in your old days.

I think MD is trying his best to channel old school Nunya. He's failing though. Nobody on this form has yet to match your combination of: sharp insights mixed in with a$$hole arrogance.

[JIBBBY]

Coming from you that's saying something.

2011-2013 - you had a lock on cawksucker of the year.

You seem to be a calmer creature in your old days.

I think MD is trying his best to channel old school Nunya. He's failing though. Nobody on this form has yet to match your combination of: sharp insights mixed in with a$$hole arrogance.

All jokes aside - Both have God Complex's Calculator or are very insecure.... Read them both from the start when I first joined the forum.. One or the other silver spooned as well... Both not bad guys though... That's why both can't insult me no matter what they say.... Understand their kind....

Takes more then age to typically change that way of thinking and become humble.. More like a life threatening illness or a spiritual awakening.. Keeping it real...

I like them both regardless...

[TheCalculator]

I like the way you're thinking Jibby

[MarkWoodstick]

Attempting to cap a Kenny Robertson fight at 2 in the morning is forcing me to reassess my entire existence.

[Skel]

Attempting to cap a Kenny Robertson fight at 2 in the morning is forcing me to reassess my entire existence.

Strong first post

[Vaughany]

Attempting to cap a Kenny Robertson fight at 2 in the morning is forcing me to reassess my entire existence.

Hahaha strong start indeed

[Vaughany]

All jokes aside - Both have God Complex's Calculator or are very insecure.... Read them both from the start when I first joined the forum.. One or the other silver spooned as well... Both not bad guys though... That's why both can't insult me no matter what they say.... Understand their kind....

Takes more then age to typically change that way of thinking and become humble.. More like a life threatening illness or a spiritual awakening.. Keeping it real...

I like them both regardless...

Md moves lines tho...wouldnt you feel superior to everybody else

[Thor4140]

MD sounds more and more like the old Gabe when he talks about Jibber and Gabe now sounds like the old MD. Go figure

[MD]

MD sounds more and more like the old Gabe when he talks about Jibber and Gabe now sounds like the old MD. Go figure

That's low cuz. High-level trolling though, I'll give credit where credit is due.

[Beelzebubzy]

Am I the only one that thinks that if Wiedman gets this to the ground; it will be a cake walk.