UFC on FX 8: Mighty Mouse vs Moraga (7-27-13)

[Vaughany]

lol Shogun is not Brian Cann!

[MD]

Because the general opinion seems to be that Chael is going to grind Shogun down from what i have seen. People even say he's gonna sub him, I suppose. Why go the extra length to be sarcastic and annoying? Just seems redundant.

Nothing sarcastic in what I said. Also, only one guy has brought up Chael subbing Shogun, and he's not exactly credible (no offence to him).
The general opinion is almost always going to be that if Shogun wins, it'll probably be by KO, and if Chael wins, it'll probably be by decision.

[mirinquads]

Sure, no point in adding the whole GSP bit though, and people I have seen on other forums are all convinced Shoguns is going to be put to the grindstone.

[Beelzebubzy]

Who thinks Chael subs shogun?
Chael via broken toe is more likely

[MD]

Sure, no point in adding the whole GSP bit though, and people I have seen on other forums are all convinced Shoguns is going to be put to the grindstone.

Most people I've seen think Weidman beating Silva was a fluke and Silva will crush him next time. This is why we can make money on MMA.

[DSSCA]

Masvidal hasnt knocked someone out since 2009. Im not saying he cant do it but i dont think cheisa has even been knocked out in competition.

Justin Lawrence dropped Chiesa with a body shot. Lawrence was too gassed and isnt the smartest fighter, so he didn't finish. Masvidal is much more accurate and WILL hit Chiesa. Also his TDD ain't to shabby. My prediction is that Chiesa will get tagged and rocked after getting stuffed on his lazy ass takedowns. It doesn't take much to put down Chiesa. He's extremely fragile on the feet.

[MD]

Justin Lawrence dropped Chiesa with a body shot. Lawrence was too gassed and isnt the smartest fighter, so he didn't finish. Masvidal is much more accurate and WILL hit Chiesa. Also his TDD ain't to shabby. My prediction is that Chiesa will get tagged and rocked after getting stuffed on his lazy ass takedowns. It doesn't take much to put down Chiesa. He's extremely fragile on the feet.

Based on what? That's an extremely big assumption to make based on getting dropped by a body shot.

[Thor4140]

Shogun can't stop me from taking him down let alone Sonnen. I like to see these two guys side by side (size difference since it is at 205)because i think if Shogun doesn't hit a leg lock he might be in for a long night like Nate the great was when he fought Sonnen

[DSSCA]

Based on what? That's an extremely big assumption to make based on getting dropped by a body shot.

Based on the fights that I have seen of his, he gets hit with shots that don't have much power behind them and he is visibly hurt. He appears to a very fragile fighter on his feet with terrible standup. He also was dropped by a body shot from a gassed opponent.

[DSSCA]

I'm pretty sure that nobody is gonna say Chiesa can take a shot...

[MD]

Based on the fights that I have seen of his, he gets hit with shots that don't have much power behind them and he is visibly hurt. He appears to a very fragile fighter on his feet with terrible standup. He also was dropped by a body shot from a gassed opponent.

Any examples?

[Grabaka]

I have Masvidal by Dec.

[DSSCA]

The entire Justin Lawrence fight.

[DSSCA]

I'll see if I can pull the fight up and re watch for examples. The way I remember it he was getting rocked the whole fight. Then again the fact I hate that guy may be clouding my judgement. Hahaha.

[MD]

The entire Justin Lawrence fight.

We've already established this one bro, I obviously meant other than that.

[mmaed]

Okay, i will, u stoopid son

If there is one person Shogun is going to do everything in his power not to get finished by, it would be Chael. And there is a far cry from subbing Brian Stann to subbing a highlevel black belt like Rua. Chael getting subbed is way way more likely. It could ofcourse happen, but i doubt it.

Actually lets talk about this fight, am I the only who thinks Rua can knockout Shael? I know Rua gasses, but he's the best damn gassed fighter in the business, and Chael off the roids doesn't have amazing cardio him self. He could get reversed and pounded out on the ground. Not sure how great Rua's reversals are, but he tries for them a bit as far as I remember.. Gonna watch the Gustaffson fight now.

At least spell stupid right you pinhead. Shogun can get submitted just like anyone else. Forrest did it after he gassed. Chael can put a high level workrate on him. Its possible shogun gasses.

[mmaed]

The entire Justin Lawrence fight.

Justin lawrence is a very good kickboxer.

[mmaed]

Nothing sarcastic in what I said. Also, only one guy has brought up Chael subbing Shogun, and he's not exactly credible (no offence to him).
The general opinion is almost always going to be that if Shogun wins, it'll probably be by KO, and if Chael wins, it'll probably be by decision.

Im not credible? Whats so crazy about it. Shogun gasses. Chael is a cardio machine. Chaels bjj really isnt that bad. Its conceivable that chaek could grind him out and sneak in a choke after shoguns reactions are dimmed from fatigue.

[MD]

Im not credible? Whats so crazy about it. Shogun gasses. Chael is a cardio machine. Chaels bjj really isnt that bad. Its conceivable that chaek could grind him out and sneak in a choke after shoguns reactions are dimmed from fatigue.

Not to me. It's nothing personal, I just don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to MMA when I read your posts. I think a lot of your thought processes are very wrong.

I'm not saying that Chael submitting Shogun is impossible, just that it's extremely unlikely. Chael's looked pretty fragile recently, ever since the Bisping fight, and I don't have as much faith in his cardio as I used to.

[DSSCA]

I'll see if I can pull the fight up and re watch for examples. The way I remember it he was getting rocked the whole fight. Then again the fact I hate that guy may be clouding my judgement. Hahaha.

Alas, I wasn't able to DL the Kuivanen fight. I do remember however the small amount of shots landed by Anton did hurt Chiesa. Yes, we established the Lawrence fight, but I feel it is most important because he stood for quite some time in that fight and was exposed by a very raw yet talented fighter. C'mon MD, you know this dude is soft! At this time I do not have proper examples to support my claims counselor, yet I and as well as the court here today (most SBR Posters) conclude Chiesa is a fragile man. The defense rests and is drunk.

[DSSCA]

Im not credible? Whats so crazy about it. Shogun gasses. Chael is a cardio machine. Chaels bjj really isnt that bad. Its conceivable that chaek could grind him out and sneak in a choke after shoguns reactions are dimmed from fatigue.

Chael's BJJ isn't that bad? What does that mean? Does that mean it is in fact bad but just not THAT bad? A rear naked choke after raining down punches does not make your jiu jitsu even OK... Hell, I could knock down a BJJ black belt and while they are on the verge of going to sleep and have no motor skills, I could sink in a choke. Just because you grind someone out to exhaustion and submit them does not mean you have any kind of BJJ talent. Has Chael ever won or even placed in a BJJ tournament? Just sayin... I actually like you too bud, just bringing some things to your attention and I love discussion.

[DSSCA]

Also I have been drinking... Probably the most significant factor

[mirinquads]

Im not credible? Whats so crazy about it. Shogun gasses. Chael is a cardio machine. Chaels bjj really isnt that bad. Its conceivable that chaek could grind him out and sneak in a choke after shoguns reactions are dimmed from fatigue.

I disagree, actually Shael off roids with his high high pressure and output style, actually seem to not be able to sustain him self for a prolonged period. He was gassing in the second round of the Anderson Silva fight, and in the Bisping fight, even though he adjusted his pace. He is pretty wasteful in his movement. Of course him not having to cut as much weight would be an advantage in that department, but hes also going to be handling bigger men, which is going to take a toll on his cardio again.

Shogun might gas, but he's the best damn gassed fighter in the world. Could easily see him knocking a gassed chael out in the 4 or 5th round. Much better then I could see Chael getting the sub, which I frankly dont think would happen once out of a hundred fights.

The Masvidal tko could happen though, Masvidal has very high level striking, and is slick both on the feet and ground. I think hes too high level of a fighter to get overwhelmed by Jesus' size advantage, unlike Kuvianan, who was also eating Jesus up on the feet before he got stupid.

[mmaed]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I wasnt saying i think it is likely he will sub him. I just think its possible he could do it. I did t realize chael was off the trt. That will of course make it harder. If chael was on the juice and shogun wasnt in good shape i could see him getting shoguns back and pulling off a rear naked. Maybe it would be a 5-10 percent chance of it provided shogun was gassed. I have no intention of betting it. I only mentioned it because the thought crossed my mind and i generally post anything that pops into my head.

i agree masvidal should beat cheisa. Maybe he will tko him, i dont know. I think masvidal is a much better fighter than cheisa. Frankly i dont think cheisa is really that great. He seems like a lumbering one dimensional fighter. That said, he groundgame seems to be reasonably good. I think masvidal is a really terrible matchup for cheisa. He has a very good all around game. Ill probably watch some more tape on them both. Masvidal is probably worth a good sized play.

[Beelzebubzy]

Masvidal sound super confident against chiesa

[mirinquads]

Chiesa by sub at +500ish would be a decent hedge, dont know if that line is still there though. If he can grab the back in a scramble he's certainly scary.

[DSSCA]

Chiesa by sub at +500ish would be a decent hedge, dont know if that line is still there though. If he can grab the back in a scramble he's certainly scary.

I played fight ITD for that very reason.

[hobbesITD]

The best part about Shogun fighting Chael is he might get that leglock he's been working on for the past decade.

[mmaed]

Not to me. It's nothing personal, I just don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to MMA when I read your posts. I think a lot of your thought processes are very wrong.

I'm not saying that Chael submitting Shogun is impossible, just that it's extremely unlikely. Chael's looked pretty fragile recently, ever since the Bisping fight, and I don't have as much faith in his cardio as I used to.

Like what posts?

[gabe]

quit hatin on mmaed

[Noleafclover]

Itching for odds on one of these... think there will be a great line.

[Noleafclover]

Sat 7/27 1105 Ellenberger wins inside distance +350 Sat 7/27 1129 Ellenberger wins by TKO/KO +300

[rocky16]

Sat 7/27 1105 Ellenberger wins inside distance +350 Sat 7/27 1129 Ellenberger wins by TKO/KO +300

Pal, why post two losers? I don't get it.

[sideloaded]

Rocky where you been? Wifey take all your internetting time away?

[Beelzebubzy]

quit hatin on mmaed

Don't forget us small timers now gabe that your famous