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  • arpeggiomeister
    SBR MVP
    • 05-23-08
    • 1015

    #1
    Pendulum Cycle Theory: MLB chase experiment
    After a successful run in the NBA I wanted to try the Pendulum
    Cycle Theory on the MLB.

    As if chasing systems were not
    controversial enough I did something in the NBA which got everyone's
    underwear in a bunch. I developed a chase system where I was betting
    both sides of a game. I called this the “Dual Martingale”. I
    was heckled pretty severely for it. One guy told me it was the
    dumbest idea ever posted on SBR and accused me of being on drugs.
    LOL

    The idea was interesting but was proven to be inefficient
    so I switched to a Grand Martingale. I will attempt the same thing
    here. I do not have a source of backlogs for MLB odds so I could not
    back test this.

    What I plan on doing is to track the worst
    team in the MLB ESPN power rankings and chase them using a Grand
    Martingale system. The system will need to be very deep. I am not
    going to establish a set number of tiers because I do not know what
    the average losing streaks are, but even the worst teams win games.
    This is an experiment and as such I do not recommend that anyone put
    real money on this. I am simply testing an idea.




    I am also interested in checking out the totals because I believe
    they should operated in similar to spreads in the NFL and NBA.





    This is just a hobby to me and I am fairly busy. Please forgive
    me if I do not update this everyday. I will do my best.
  • arpeggiomeister
    SBR MVP
    • 05-23-08
    • 1015

    #2
    The Houston Astros are at the bottom of the ESPN Power Rankings. We will start our first chase with them. They are +136 so we will bet $7.35 to win $10. Again, this is a paper trade. The chase system sill need to be very large and I may find during course of these experiments that it is necessary to reduce the $10 unit to something smaller. We will see how it unfolds.
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    • arpeggiomeister
      SBR MVP
      • 05-23-08
      • 1015

      #3
      I am going to chase the totals on the #1 ranked team as well to see what happens. Currently the #1 is the Cardinals on ESPN. The total is 6.5 for -110. We will bet $11 to win 10 on the over.
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      • thekoreanmang
        SBR MVP
        • 03-17-14
        • 1422

        #4
        For what it's worth, I've seen multiple cappers (both touts and amateurs) choose HOU today.
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        • arpeggiomeister
          SBR MVP
          • 05-23-08
          • 1015

          #5
          Houston loses, Cardinals hit the over. ESPN has new rankings and the Tigers are now on top so I will switch to them for the totals.
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          • arpeggiomeister
            SBR MVP
            • 05-23-08
            • 1015

            #6
            Todays games: Houston +154 - risk $17.76 to win $27.35. This would win back the $7.35 we lost plus $20. (We are attempting to win $10 for each bet placed in a Grand Martingale) Detroit over 6.5 $12.50 to win $10
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            • arpeggiomeister
              SBR MVP
              • 05-23-08
              • 1015

              #7
              The Cubs have dropped to the bottom in the power rankings but I will not switch until that chase is completed.
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              • arpeggiomeister
                SBR MVP
                • 05-23-08
                • 1015

                #8
                Houston loses and DET goes under. Hou is +170 today. We will place $32.42 on them to win $55.11. We will bet DET on the over -120 for $39 to win $32.50.
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                • arpeggiomeister
                  SBR MVP
                  • 05-23-08
                  • 1015

                  #9
                  I am wondering if it would not make sense to create a chase system with parlays on heavy favorites. This would follow the Pendulum Cycle Theory closer because the teams are expected to win. The odds just changed on me as I was checking this out, but we will try a 3rd chase with this idea in mind. TOR -200 and WAS -200. $8 to win $10.
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                  • arpeggiomeister
                    SBR MVP
                    • 05-23-08
                    • 1015

                    #10
                    The parlay wins, the over bet wins, Astros lose.
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                    • arpeggiomeister
                      SBR MVP
                      • 05-23-08
                      • 1015

                      #11
                      Today's bets





                      Houston +185 $52.72 to win $97.53





                      Detroit has the day off





                      Parlay: WAS and TOR again Both are -225 on Betdsi. $9.20 to win
                      $10
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                      • arpeggiomeister
                        SBR MVP
                        • 05-23-08
                        • 1015

                        #12
                        Houston wins. Cubs are now ranked #30 so I will switch to them for the next chase. My parlay lost so I will give chase with another.
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                        • arpeggiomeister
                          SBR MVP
                          • 05-23-08
                          • 1015

                          #13
                          Today's games.





                          Underdog chase: Cubs +135 for $7.40 to win $10





                          O/U chase: Detroit Over -110 $11 to win $10





                          Parlay chase: Tex -230 and Sfo -170 $15.02 to win $19.21





                          I have been trying yet another experiment which is an offshoot of
                          something I did in the NFL that I call a parlay matrix. I do have
                          real money on this albeit not a lot. What I am doing is finding the
                          heaviest favorite on the roster. I prefer -200 or better. I then
                          parlay the underdog to both the over and the under. I then take the
                          favorite on the -1.5 spread. I balance everything out so that I make
                          a small profit if any one of these scenarios hit. The only way to
                          lose is if the favorite team wins by only one run. I realize that
                          this happens quite often in baseball, especially if a game goes into
                          extra innings. I am counting on the idea that a team that is favored
                          that heavily will beat their opponent by 2 runs or more most of the
                          time. I did this with Washington last night and it worked. I am
                          doing it again tonight.





                          The return on this bet is tiny so it does not lend itself well to
                          typical chase systems. I have put in a bankroll of $210 and I try to
                          keep the bets under $20. If I lose I will give chase with a matrix
                          totaling close to $200. If I lose 2 times in a row my account is
                          blown so this is very risky. That is why I am not funding it with a
                          lot of money. My goal is to see if I can squeeze 38% ROI out of a
                          season. If I can manage this then I can integrate this with the
                          strategies I have going on the NFL and NBA and compound profits into
                          a 100% ROI per year. This style of bet has a very high probability
                          of covering but also a high risk of ruin so I will have to see how
                          this plays out. If the heavy dogs can manage to stay within one run
                          more often then what I am thinking then this experiment is doomed to
                          fail.





                          Today's Parlay Matrix:






                          HOU +190 and Over 8 -105 Risking $4 to win $18.65

                          HOU +190 and Under -115 Risking $4 to win $17.69

                          TEX -1.5 -110 Risking $11 to win $10





                          Risking a total of $19. If any of these scenarios play out I win
                          a minimum of $2. If the Ranger win by 1 run I lose. I must rack up
                          about 38 wins to hit my 38% target. There are 162 games in the
                          regular season and 30 teams. That should give me 2,430 games to
                          choose from. I should be able to find 40 to 50 games that fit my
                          criteria out of that.
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                          • arpeggiomeister
                            SBR MVP
                            • 05-23-08
                            • 1015

                            #14
                            Ouch!!! I expected this might happen, but not so soon. Rangers win by 1 run. I will see what the games look like tomorrow and see if I want to follow through with the chase or back off and do that one on paper. I will probably see it through but I am definitely shaken by this result. If I could mitigate the risk of ruin I still like the idea but at this point it looks like the risk outweighs the rewards.
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                            • arpeggiomeister
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-23-08
                              • 1015

                              #15
                              Cubs win. Detroit over loses. Giants and Texans win parlay.
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                              • arpeggiomeister
                                SBR MVP
                                • 05-23-08
                                • 1015

                                #16
                                I decided to grit my teeth and go ahead with the parlay matrix
                                chase. This experiment could be done before it begins. If I survive
                                today's bet I may paper trade this and switch to the heavy favorite
                                parlay chase but I wanted to see this through and not have any
                                excuses.









                                Today's plays





                                Underdog Chase: CHI +205 $4.88 to win $10





                                O/U Chase: DET O6.5 +105 $29.52 to win $31





                                Parlay Chase: STL -235 and LAA -160 $7.60 to win $10





                                Parlay Matrix Chase:






                                CHI +205 O7 EV $40 to win $204

                                CHI +205 U7 -120 $40 to win $183.26

                                STL -1.5 -110 $118 to win $107.27
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                                • arpeggiomeister
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 05-23-08
                                  • 1015

                                  #17
                                  The Parlay Matrix covered. Cubs lose, DET over wins, Angels lose. My internet is down at the moment and I am at McDonald's trying to update this. I will be on the Cubs +200 again today for the underdog chase. I will be on Detriot over 6.5 EV risking $10. I am on STL and TEX for the parlay. I am doing the Parlay Matrix on CHI and STL. CHI +200/O7.5 for $4 to win $20.60. CHI +200/U7.5 $4 to win $17.60 and STL -1.5 -110 $11 to win $10. I do not have time to calculate the Cubs chase or the parlay chase at the moment but since these are papertrades I figured it would be acceptable to update the amounts later. This is grand martingale and my goal is to win $10 with each bet on these chases so the parameters are set. I am updating this now so I can get the plays out before the games start. After my scare with the parlay matrix I am switching my real money trial to the heavy favorite parlay chase. I am risking $1.57 to win $2. Since I started this as a chase to win $10 per bet in a grand martingale I will have to calculate for the papertrade. I will update as soon as my internet is available and I have access to a calculator. I am pressed for time at the moment so I can not do it now. My apologies
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                                  • arpeggiomeister
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 05-23-08
                                    • 1015

                                    #18
                                    CHI would be $12.44. This game lost. Detroit over loses. The parlay chase on STL and TEX wins. To continue a Grand Martingale I would need to bet $27.60. The parlay matrix succeeded. I am left with a slight paradox in that my paper trade experiments are based on $10 units but when I started the Parlay Matrix experiment I was using $210 so my units are only $2 because I did not want to risk more. I am interested in ROI primarily. If it works I can feed it with more money. My objective is to combine NFL, NBA, and MLB results into 100% ROI. My target for the NFL and NBA was 26%. At the end of my experiments in these sports I fell below my target, just under 20% for the NFL, and 22% in the NBA. To reach my goal of 100% I need to hit about 40% in the MLB. due to the sheer volume of games in the MLB I am well on target to hit that. Starting with $200 or $200,000 becomes irrelevant to me because if I can maintain this rate I can compound tiny amounts of money into enormous amounts. If you were to double $200 10 times you get $204,800. If my experiments are successful then I will back them with several thousand dollars over time. I plan to make 6 figures in 6 years or less.
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                                    • arpeggiomeister
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 05-23-08
                                      • 1015

                                      #19
                                      There are no plays today. Cubs and DET Tigers are not playing and there is no team on the boards for -200 or more. The most important thing to do when playing a strategy is not to force a bet when nothing meets your criteria.
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                                      • arpeggiomeister
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 05-23-08
                                        • 1015

                                        #20
                                        The Yankees/Cubs game was cancelled today so there is no play on
                                        the underdog chase.

                                        There has been changes is in the power
                                        rankings to both the #1 and #30 spots. I will finish the chases with
                                        the Cubs and Tigers and switch to the new teams afterwards.





                                        The parlay matrix is a little different today. Instead of leaning
                                        on the underdog with +200 or more I parlayed the -1.5 spread with the
                                        total. Same basic concept just reversed.





                                        Underdog chase
                                        O/U chase

                                        04/15/14
                                        NP






                                        DET
                                        08

                                        $36.00




                                        Parlay chase

                                        04/15/14
                                        WAS
                                        -173 KC -155

                                        $6.27








                                        Parlay matrix

                                        04/15/14
                                        SDP
                                        -1.5/O7 -105

                                        $4.00
                                        - $17.48




                                        SDP
                                        -1.5/U7 -115

                                        $4
                                        - $16.57




                                        COL
                                        +116

                                        $10
                                        - $11.60

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                                        • mcdonae101
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-02-14
                                          • 3646

                                          #21
                                          This is really interesting, more so than the nba system since there r more games here
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                                          • Capper1124
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-23-13
                                            • 1914

                                            #22
                                            God stuff. Very interesting
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                                            • arpeggiomeister
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-23-08
                                              • 1015

                                              #23
                                              Thank you for your interest gentlemen. The reason there are more games is because I am fishing for a way to make this theory work in a game that does not have point spreads. It is a bit of a different animal. That is why I am trying so many different things. My goal is singular in nature. I am looking to be able to make 100% ROI a year. My initial goal was to get 26% ROI in the NFL, NBA, and MLB. The NBA experiment helped me fine tune both the NFL and NBA. The ROI fell short at 19.9% and 22% respectively. Those ROIs will be very consistent due to the nature of these chase systems. In order to hit my goal I need to hit roughly 40% ROI in MLB. I think this is feasible due to the sheer volume of games. If I can nail this down I can compound $2,000 into $128,000 in 6 years. If I can not hit 40%ROI in the MLB it will take longer.
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                                              • arpeggiomeister
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 05-23-08
                                                • 1015

                                                #24
                                                We had some games postponed due to weather. For the record I
                                                am on NYY game 1. Detroit just has one game so that should be
                                                straight forward. Here are today's bets:





                                                Underdog and O/U chase

                                                04/16/14
                                                Cubs
                                                +175

                                                $27.04



                                                DET
                                                O8

                                                $36.00







                                                Parlay Chase

                                                04/16/14
                                                NYY
                                                -210 DET -147

                                                $17.75




                                                Parlay Matrix

                                                04/16/14
                                                Cubs
                                                +175/O7.5 -110

                                                $4
                                                - $17




                                                Cubs
                                                +175/U7.5 -110

                                                $4
                                                - $17




                                                NYY
                                                -1.5 -105

                                                $10.50
                                                - $10

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                                                • arpeggiomeister
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-23-08
                                                  • 1015

                                                  #25
                                                  Only bet that covers is the Parlay Matrix. There will be no
                                                  Parlay matrix todays as nothing fits my criteria. Cubs are off.





                                                  O/U Chase

                                                  DET
                                                  O7.5

                                                  $72.38




                                                  Parlay Chase

                                                  04/17/14
                                                  TB
                                                  -172 DET -155

                                                  $33.73
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                                                  • crackerjack
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-01-06
                                                    • 3366

                                                    #26
                                                    Interesting...subscribed
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                                                    • arpeggiomeister
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 05-23-08
                                                      • 1015

                                                      #27
                                                      Detroit over covers. Parlay chase loses, moves to tier 4. I am
                                                      on my 4th tier with the Cubs as well who are actually
                                                      slightly favored. I grabbed them at -105 and as I was writing this
                                                      they moved to -106. It is still too early for the spreads so I will
                                                      update the Parlay Matrix play a little later. We have not one, but
                                                      two strong candidates.






                                                      The LA Dodgers have moved to #1 on ESPN so I am using them for the
                                                      new over/under chase. I am still trying to score a win with the Cubs
                                                      before I can move to the next underdog. Perhaps where they are
                                                      slightly favored today they can actually score a win. :P





                                                      Here are the plays for today:





                                                      underdog chase

                                                      Cubs
                                                      -105

                                                      $88.58




                                                      O/U chase

                                                      LAD
                                                      O7


                                                      $10.50




                                                      Parlay Chase

                                                      LAD
                                                      -200 OAK -210

                                                      $80.50
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                                                      • arpeggiomeister
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-23-08
                                                        • 1015

                                                        #28
                                                        Okay, here is the Parlay Matrix play









                                                        HOU
                                                        +180/O7 -110

                                                        $4
                                                        – 17.38

                                                        HOU
                                                        +180/U7 -110

                                                        $4
                                                        - $17.38

                                                        OAK
                                                        -1.5 -110

                                                        $11
                                                        - $10

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                                                        • arpeggiomeister
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 05-23-08
                                                          • 1015

                                                          #29
                                                          The copy and paste looks a little weird. It is supposed to be $4 to win $17.38 on both Houston parlays. It puts the amount underneath. Weird. I hope the regular parlay chase wins today. I have real money on it albeit not that much, but the chase is starting to get deep so it could start threatening my bankroll if I do not score a win soon. I have at least 3 tiers left, but it makes me nervous to see a chase go beyond 4 tiers.
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                                                          • arpeggiomeister
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 05-23-08
                                                            • 1015

                                                            #30
                                                            The only winner was again the parlay matrix. We are on the 5th
                                                            tier with the parlay chase and the underdog chase. That is getting
                                                            pretty deep. I was expecting this from the underdog but I really
                                                            hope the parlay chase pans out pretty soon






                                                            I have calculated for $10 units but I may switch after this chase
                                                            concludes because I am playing these for real with a tiny bankroll.
                                                            It is the ROI that is important and that can be easily calculated at
                                                            the end of the experiment no matter what size the bankroll is. I
                                                            started this week with roughly $220 and if the parlay chase loses
                                                            today I will be down to $157. I have got maybe 2 tiers left. I do
                                                            not think I can squeeze 3 out of it unless I put more money in.
                                                            These are experiments and I do not feel I have enough confidence in
                                                            these ideas to risk more at this point.





                                                            Today's plays are





                                                            Underdog Chase

                                                            Cubs
                                                            +130


                                                            $140.72





                                                            O/U Chase

                                                            LAD
                                                            O7.5


                                                            $29.05





                                                            Parlay Chase

                                                            LAD
                                                            -210 OAK -220


                                                            $164.10





                                                            Parlay Matrix





                                                            HOU
                                                            +180/O7.5 +105


                                                            $3.75
                                                            - $17.77


                                                            HOU
                                                            +180/U7.5 -125


                                                            $4.25
                                                            - $17.17


                                                            OAK
                                                            -1.5 -EV


                                                            $10.00
                                                            - $10.00


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                                                            • arpeggiomeister
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-23-08
                                                              • 1015

                                                              #31
                                                              We had a total role reversal. On my previous update everything
                                                              but the Parlay Matrix lost. Today's update everything but the Parlay
                                                              Matrix won. This will test the Parlay Matrix strategy for if it
                                                              loses twice in a row it blows up the bankroll. Pretty dangerous
                                                              which is why I stopped backing it and switched to the parlay chase.
                                                              So far it has been performing very well so I will keep doing it to
                                                              see if it can survive to 40% ROI. That is my target exit point for
                                                              all of these experiments in the MLB.

                                                              The #1 ranked team on
                                                              ESPN is currently the Dodgers. #30 is currently the Diamonbacks. I
                                                              will switch to Arizona for the underdog chase since the Cubs have
                                                              concluded their chase.





                                                              Today's plays:





                                                              underdog chase

                                                              ARI
                                                              +132


                                                              $7.58





                                                              O/U chase

                                                              LAD
                                                              O7.5



                                                              $10.50





                                                              Parlay chase

                                                              KC
                                                              -185 OAK -245


                                                              $1.71


                                                              parlay matrix
                                                              HOU
                                                              +205/O7.5 -115


                                                              $43
                                                              - $202.19


                                                              HOU
                                                              +205/U7.5 -105


                                                              $42
                                                              - $208.10


                                                              OAK
                                                              -1.5 -115


                                                              $130
                                                              - $113.04


                                                              Comment
                                                              • arpeggiomeister
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 05-23-08
                                                                • 1015

                                                                #32
                                                                Had to edit the parlay matrix multiple times to get the balance right. I used the full remaining balance to create the parlay matrix so if it wins it will advance the bankroll by several units. I did this because of this parlay matrix fails there is no coming back from it. We would need 117 wins in a row with no losses. That is not going to happen so it is better to hang it all on the line and hope for the best. Chasing is risky business and requires guts. I am putting it on the line and making no excuses. The bankroll was at $233.87 before the loss and currently stands at $215.87. If any of these legs hit the bankroll will go over $243. That is a minimum of a 5 unit jump. To hit the target of 40% ROI we need to reach $308. This strategy is risky as hell but I think it just might pull it off.
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                                                                • arpeggiomeister
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-23-08
                                                                  • 1015

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Parlay Matrix covers, all other bets lose. See you in the morning.
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                                                                  • arpeggiomeister
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 05-23-08
                                                                    • 1015

                                                                    #34
                                                                    We are on tier 2 for every bet except the Parlay Matrix today.





                                                                    Underdog chase

                                                                    ARI
                                                                    +108

                                                                    $25.53




                                                                    O/U chase

                                                                    LAD
                                                                    O7

                                                                    $33.55




                                                                    Parlay chase

                                                                    SEA
                                                                    -265 DET -195

                                                                    $5.27




                                                                    Parlay Matrix

                                                                    HOU
                                                                    +225/O6.5 -105

                                                                    $3.75
                                                                    - $20.04

                                                                    HOU
                                                                    +225/U6.5 -115

                                                                    $3.75
                                                                    - $19.04

                                                                    SEA
                                                                    -1.5 -115

                                                                    $11.50
                                                                    - $10.00

                                                                    Comment
                                                                    • arpeggiomeister
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 05-23-08
                                                                      • 1015

                                                                      #35
                                                                      The Parlay Matrix is the only one that covers. We did however get
                                                                      a push on the over bet. I am adding an additional $10 to keep the
                                                                      Grand Martingale going.






                                                                      The Astros/over covered in the Parlay Matrix which gave us a good
                                                                      sized boost. We picked up $4.79 instead of the target $2.00. If I
                                                                      weren't so lazy I would calculate the larger gains for the favorite
                                                                      team because it is most likely that they will cover these bets. That
                                                                      will be a project for when I have a little more time. Right now I
                                                                      have been aiming for $2 on the favorite and balancing the underdog
                                                                      parlays so that I profit if the underdog wins. It is very fuzzy
                                                                      logic with no well-defined parameters.

                                                                      Today's bets









                                                                      Underdog chase

                                                                      ARI
                                                                      +101

                                                                      $62.49




                                                                      O/U chase

                                                                      LAD
                                                                      O6.5

                                                                      $48.60




                                                                      Parlay chase

                                                                      DET
                                                                      -250 TB -205

                                                                      $12.00




                                                                      Parlay Matrix

                                                                      CHI
                                                                      WS +210/08 -115

                                                                      $3.75
                                                                      - $17.98

                                                                      CHI
                                                                      WS +210/U8 -105

                                                                      $3.75
                                                                      - $18.95

                                                                      DET
                                                                      -1.5 -115

                                                                      $11.50
                                                                      - $10

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