[DoubleRedDragon]

They haven't been open to communication for weeks. They closed the case about 3x pre-maturely before I even went to the forums with it. Literally stated that the case was closed, no more resources will be spent on it.

I have apologized profusely over and over and over to Cloudbet. I'm awaiting to hear a single word back. I will make another statement with the above advice as well via email, via their thread, and however else I might possibly be able to get through to them. I don't know what else I can do at this point.

And I definitely can't win the battle of shaming them or trying to force this to happen- I can't control anyone but myself. So I just have to keep apologizing which I whole-heartedly feel is right when I was the one being so careless to break rules.

Thank you.

[DoubleRedDragon]

You're right.

This is not a big offense.

But if you are going to take a shot at getting around the rule at a book that makes it clear it does not just look the other way, you need to be able to say to yourself "shucks, I got caught this time". And move on.

Dumping 25k all at once into a book you are rule breaking at is just madness. Unless you really dont care about, or need, that money.



Cloudbet obviously don't think it is a major offense either, given their claim that anyone who gets caught will be made whole if the player does not waste their time and resources and is open about it once discovered.

But don't forget you made it into a big problem for them. You should be talking to them 'cap in hand', not demanding. You did this all wrong from day one and continue it till now.

It's hard to help someone who has worked so hard against themselves.

Anyone who was a fan of cloudbet or bitcoin betting remembers seeing the headlines about the case where the guy was caught playing from USA and won 330BTC. We all saw how it was resolved: he was paid not only his deposit but his winnings.

In my case I'm not receiving my deposits or my winnings. Cloudbet has been eerily silent after my apologies. Please remember that my initial strategy was to be honest completely- I sent them my USA documents, expecting to get the balance back since I had just deposited it earlier that day. Then the sudden policy shift to confiscate all of it. Everyone remembers how past cases were solved at Cloudbet: amicably and not like this.

Listen, it doesn't excuse my absolute brash carelessness connecting from the USA. But please reconsider the wall of silence and allow for a mediation from SBR with a goodwill solution from Cloudbet- and profuse apologies and cleaning up my act with the antics. I want to get this resolved for the good of everyone please. I want to apologize more than you know, I shouldn't have done this.


I will take any portion of my deposits and apologize and co-operate in whatever way possible. I overreacted after hearing that the case was closed, and I owe a lot of people a lot of apologies after the way I tried to manipulate the case and the facts. I would appreciate any understanding and resolution on this matter and my hat is in hand for how sorry I am for how I have acted after hearing the bad news. Please re-consider and look at the case again. I appreciate anything you can do, Cloudbet, to help me out after my careless reckless behavior of breaking your terms of using your service.

[littlekona]

sure LOL you cant be trusted you probaby had many accunts with them and probably screwed them since they paid deposits back. As much as I am no Cloud Book Fan I side with them 100% here and you really should of gotten ZERO plus BLACKLISTED. Your the guy that gives honest players a bad name when issues arrise. GO AWAY!

[RedApples]

I will take any portion of my deposits and apologize and co-operate in whatever way possible. I overreacted after hearing that the case was closed, and I owe a lot of people a lot of apologies after the way I tried to manipulate the case and the facts. I would appreciate any understanding and resolution on this matter and my hat is in hand for how sorry I am for how I have acted after hearing the bad news. Please re-consider and look at the case again. I appreciate anything you can do, Cloudbet, to help me out after my careless reckless behavior of breaking your terms of using your service.

Your words mean absolutely nothing. You have unfairly defamed and slammed Cloudbet, then 'apologized' and back again like 5 times already. One day you're sorry for what you did, the next day they are never going to hear the end of it. You continually lie and distort the truth. You have zero integrity.

Just two days ago, you posted this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...65#msg55422865

After your entire lie got shown a couple days ago on Bitcointalk you stopped responding there, and took the issue here again as you seemed to be met with little opposition.

GO AWAY LYING FRAUD
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55418875#msg55 418875
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...28#msg55426528

[RedApples]

just amazed that SBR doesnt change/update post title and BAN this SCAMMER. Not a fan of Cloudbet BUT man this OP is just in LA LA LAND probably the biggest liar and scammer in SBR history

Truly remarkable.

[Optional]

Anyone who was a fan of cloudbet or bitcoin betting remembers seeing the headlines about the case where the guy was caught playing from USA and won 330BTC. We all saw how it was resolved: he was paid not only his deposit but his winnings.

In my case I'm not receiving my deposits or my winnings. Cloudbet has been eerily silent after my apologies. Please remember that my initial strategy was to be honest completely- I sent them my USA documents, expecting to get the balance back since I had just deposited it earlier that day. Then the sudden policy shift to confiscate all of it. Everyone remembers how past cases were solved at Cloudbet: amicably and not like this.

Listen, it doesn't excuse my absolute brash carelessness connecting from the USA. But please reconsider the wall of silence and allow for a mediation from SBR with a goodwill solution from Cloudbet- and profuse apologies and cleaning up my act with the antics. I want to get this resolved for the good of everyone please. I want to apologize more than you know, I shouldn't have done this.


I will take any portion of my deposits and apologize and co-operate in whatever way possible. I overreacted after hearing that the case was closed, and I owe a lot of people a lot of apologies after the way I tried to manipulate the case and the facts. I would appreciate any understanding and resolution on this matter and my hat is in hand for how sorry I am for how I have acted after hearing the bad news. Please re-consider and look at the case again. I appreciate anything you can do, Cloudbet, to help me out after my careless reckless behavior of breaking your terms of using your service.

If you have withdrawn more than you deposited from the account, Cloudbet are not going to pay more no matter how open and honest you are now. Even in their statement they say that is all they will do. They would have to love you to do more than that now. And they don't.

It really is over now I am afraid.

[DoubleRedDragon]

I've included some highlights of key incongruencies from a case from 2 years ago until now. NO idea why they decide not to pay account balances all of a sudden when they clearly state this is something they "always do" with cooperation, even though right off the bat they were trying to deny me any cashouts. If a book takes action from you for 11 weeks while losing, processing deposits and cashouts, then decides on the 12th week to ban you only after you deposit a large amount and then evaporate the balance- that is basically what happened here, so with these highlighted points I believe my case is stronger than ever to receive back my deposits into the account.

I believe the higher-ups haven't looked at the mis-grade error on their part which caused the negative btc balance and I think once this is cleared up it should be clear as day to rule in favor of paying the account balance- I have confidence that Cloudbet will accept my offer to co-operate to come to a resolution and expediate the process.


Thank you to you all for following this case and your continued support of paying player balances when no malicious intent or abuse has incurred and full cooperation in clearing up any falsities and whatever else is needed to come to a full resolution for both parties. Please get back in touch with me asap Cloudbet. I have not heard from you in quite some time and there are a lot of new facts presented, thank you ever so kindly. Please see below highlighted points from one of the past cases which sets a precedent for my case. No idea why account balances are not being paid after this very sincere post by Cloudbet.


Again, Cloudbet, your silence for the past weeks is deafening. I am awaiting mutual amicable communication on the matter to resolve this immediately. Thank you.

How would it be over when this is how it was solved in the past.

Account balance is awarded to the player connecting from the USA> Note the edit marks- it says sincerely that htey always settle up the account balance with the player connecting from the USA. Nothing in there does it state that they wait for an account to deposit back any amount up to the amount they were in the profit, and are then entitled to allow that account to wager until they go to withdraw then confiscate the account balance.

Cloudbet needs to stop sending these anonymous shill accounts after me and actually respond officially and answer for why they suddenly changed their policy and felt the need to confiscate my account balance.

[Optional]

I stand corrected. They do say entire account balance quite clearly there.

I still think you are just torturing yourself now though.

[DoubleRedDragon]

I really am. Trying to start working on other things but I should have accepted the possibility of losing it from day one.

[jacksonstreet]

I really am. Trying to start working on other things but I should have accepted the possibility of losing it from day one.

Look man. We are similar. I'm broke too. I was stiffed $15k by a bitcoin exchange that I thought I was owed. That was a large amount of $ for me. I spent over a year emailing them every day trying to get my money. Sometimes they would respond and tell me they were reviewing. They never sent me a dime, and CloudBet isn't going to budge. I wasted a significant chunk of my life on the matter - and it just consumed me. Looks like the same is going to happen to you. Just leave it be - take a break from the computer - go outside, read a book, etc. Try to improve yourself and get a job better than cashier. Neither of us should be gambling.....easier said than done, I know.

[jacksonstreet]

Unless SBR or OSGA stands up and write an article/rules in your favor, there's no way you are getting a dime from them.

[RedApples]

How would it be over when this is how it was solved in the past.

Account balance is awarded to the player connecting from the USA> Note the edit marks- it says sincerely that htey always settle up the account balance with the player connecting from the USA. Nothing in there does it state that they wait for an account to deposit back any amount up to the amount they were in the profit, and are then entitled to allow that account to wager until they go to withdraw then confiscate the account balance.

Cloudbet needs to stop sending these anonymous shill accounts after me and actually respond officially and answer for why they suddenly changed their policy and felt the need to confiscate my account balance.

And lol @ you taking what Cloudbet said completely out of context. They didn't say that you can have multiple accounts, circumvent their policies, send in false documents, and then they will work with you.

What they said is actually the complete opposite. If you are forthright with them and merely got caught playing from the USA the first time, and you were cooperative, then they will work things out with you. You did none of that. You cannot now after having not done it, and abused the situation, decide you now want to. Not that it matters anyways because you circumvented anyways. Certainly there are circumstances where a player is caught playing from the USA where things CANNOT be worked out. This is one of these cases.

Go away liar. No one is reading your psychotic rants. Everyone knows by now how unfair you are and you're just trying to distort facts and paint an unfair picture. Cloudbet shouldn't be bullied or forced into responding to you. They've already responded to you multiple times and you continued to fabricate documents, lie, and smear them in every which way. Enough is enough. They have no further obligation to work with you. You actually have an obligation to shut up and go away.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Look man. We are similar. I'm broke too. I was stiffed $15k by a bitcoin exchange that I thought I was owed. That was a large amount of $ for me. I spent over a year emailing them every day trying to get my money. Sometimes they would respond and tell me they were reviewing. They never sent me a dime, and CloudBet isn't going to budge. I wasted a significant chunk of my life on the matter - and it just consumed me. Looks like the same is going to happen to you. Just leave it be - take a break from the computer - go outside, read a book, etc. Try to improve yourself and get a job better than cashier. Neither of us should be gambling.....easier said than done, I know.

Thank you so much for sharing that. I'm sorry to hear about that- yeah it seems that the bitcoin industry brings a bunch of seedy companies that previously may have had a harder time doing these things should it have been outside of the cryptocurrency world.

Regardless, they ruled in favor of returning account balances in the past. Let's see what they have to say. I'm not going to give up- but I will definitely not try and battle in any way Cloudbet or try and go against them because no. 1 it's my fault taht I broke TOS and #2 the battle can't be won. They are a company, I'm an individual who broke ToS, and the damage it could have on my psyche and my life is far too great. I didn't put the effort into becoming a better person and individual just to throw it all away to battle a company like Cloudbet and try and shame them into giving me back my deposits.

I will be spending more time trying to piece back together my life after this debacle. However I still think after reviewing their past policies for ruling on cases, the higher ups should come to a conclusion that is fair to the player, not just the sportsbook and licensing companies. However I refuse to take on much more stress or respnsibility in this whole debacle and would like to mostly move on with my life and start working on more productive things rather than this destructive case.
There are many injustices in this world- and there are battles that are not worth fighting at times. This battle may be one that is not worth fighting. However I can come to Cloudbet hat in hand ever so apologetically and please asking to return the money I sent them. At the same time I realize that there is always going to be damage on both sides, and when it's an individual battling a company or corporation, it's generally the individual who suffers the greatest. I don't want to be that individual- I want to try and move on starting now. But the ball is still in their court to come out with an official statement regarding the past precedent of facts. I'm just not going to continue to put my heart and soul into this case- there are battles elsewhere that are so much more important than this for my life. It's only money.
I appreciate your support more than you know. Thank you for your words.

[themike78]

Lol. This guy just won't give up.

[themike78]

Thank you so much for sharing that. I'm sorry to hear about that- yeah it seems that the bitcoin industry brings a bunch of seedy companies that previously may have had a harder time doing these things should it have been outside of the cryptocurrency world.

Regardless, they ruled in favor of returning account balances in the past. Let's see what they have to say. I'm not going to give up- but I will definitely not try and battle in any way Cloudbet or try and go against them because no. 1 it's my fault taht I broke TOS and #2 the battle can't be won. They are a company, I'm an individual who broke ToS, and the damage it could have on my psyche and my life is far too great. I didn't put the effort into becoming a better person and individual just to throw it all away to battle a company like Cloudbet and try and shame them into giving me back my deposits.

I will be spending more time trying to piece back together my life after this debacle. However I still think after reviewing their past policies for ruling on cases, the higher ups should come to a conclusion that is fair to the player, not just the sportsbook and licensing companies. However I refuse to take on much more stress or respnsibility in this whole debacle and would like to mostly move on with my life and start working on more productive things rather than this destructive case.
There are many injustices in this world- and there are battles that are not worth fighting at times. This battle may be one that is not worth fighting. However I can come to Cloudbet hat in hand ever so apologetically and please asking to return the money I sent them. At the same time I realize that there is always going to be damage on both sides, and when it's an individual battling a company or corporation, it's generally the individual who suffers the greatest. I don't want to be that individual- I want to try and move on starting now. But the ball is still in their court to come out with an official statement regarding the past precedent of facts. I'm just not going to continue to put my heart and soul into this case- there are battles elsewhere that are so much more important than this for my life. It's only money.
I appreciate your support more than you know. Thank you for your words.

Injustice? You cheated, lied, and scammed. You probably shout be put in jail and ordered to pay cloudebet restitution.

[DoubleRedDragon]

For VPN'ing in from the states and then lying about my location I deserve jail time? What is wrong with you?

For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others. If you want the proof PM me.

[RedApples]

For VPN'ing in from the states and then lying about my location I deserve jail time? What is wrong with you?

For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others. If you want the proof PM me.

LOL. I honestly have not in my life seen a more dishonest and disingenuous person. You take the cake for the biggest liar. I've been around a lot of sick people. In this very thread in the past 2 days you've said:

"Please remember that my initial strategy was to be honest completely- I sent them my USA documents" - Yet that isn't true. You were just stupid. You already said you did it because that's the only piece of information you had. You weren't honest about anything.

You are now apologizing to Cloudbet profusely while at the same time saying:
"Seems like silencing victims and people speaking out isn't anything new to Cloudbet and Curacao eGaming Licensed anonymous cryptocurrency money laundering companies committing fraud using documents acquired through extortion from big gamblers just like Cloudbet."
"Curacao egaming needs to be investigated along with Cloudbet as a whole. *Not about my case but about their criminal doings behind the scenes."

This within just the last few hours:
"Cloudbet needs to stop sending these anonymous shill accounts after me and actually respond officially and answer for why they suddenly changed their policy and felt the need to confiscate my account balance."

But maybe the most important of all,
"I'm a losing desperate gambler trying to say anything to get my money back after breaking ToS"

--

You're a lying cheat and a fraud. Go away. Nothing you say has any merit or integrity behind it. The previous posters saying that you are whats wrong with the community and give the rest of us a bad name is spot on. I wouldn't in a million years trust you for anything.

The part about us being co-owners of Cloudbet is patently untrue fabricated psychotic nonsense. I hope SBR will step in and take the accusations seriously at this point. You can't just say anything you want to discredit people.

[DoubleRedDragon]

I just can't bear to take the attacks any more. It's not worth $15,000, and it's not worth $1,000,000.

I live my life in a wholesome way. I'm not what you say I am. This has to stop.

[DoubleRedDragon]

i simply can't take the personal attacks around here any more and have been beaten into submission.

EDIT: i look forward to chatting sports with you guys. I can't handle the crap any more and personal attacks.

I'm not a bad person, I just did a stupid stupid thing and mis-handled it from start to finish. I'm sorry!

[RedApples]

I just can't bear to take the attacks any more. It's not worth $15,000, and it's not worth $1,000,000.

I live my life in a wholesome way. I'm not what you say I am. This has to stop.

You really are though. They are your words. They aren't taken out of context. You are literally taking everything out of context and discrediting and smearing everyone. You admit to it. The next minute you play a different role and personality. No one is attacking you. You are attacking everyone. People need to defend themselves against you when you aggressively lie and make up stories to malign them, and the only way to do so is using your words to show who you are and what you are doing. You've been a liar and a cheat this entire time and when it's pointed out, instead of looking yourself in the mirror you blame others.

Your words, maybe rethink it:

"I'm a losing desperate gambler trying to say anything to get my money back after breaking ToS"

[Optional]

The part about us being co-owners of Cloudbet is patently untrue fabricated psychotic nonsense. I hope SBR will step in and take the accusations seriously at this point. You can't just say anything you want to discredit people.[/COLOR]

I don't know what to say. No way I can be sure. But I figured no one really thinks that is true.

As far as I know no one in this thread has a connection to Cloudbet, for what that is worth.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Man, I come from the poker world, where cheating is a serious serious serious accusation.

Please tell me how I cheat. I don't have time to scheme up cheating. I have time to stupidly VPN in from the states, without thinking- that's about it. I have so many other interests than this small little world of sports betting.

[DontTailMe]

For VPN'ing in from the states and then lying about my location I deserve jail time? What is wrong with you?

For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others. If you want the proof PM me.

What mike said might have been hyperbolic, but it's these silly accusations which have to stop. People around here know each other. I've warned you about this before. This type of talk is part of the reason why everyone in this thread can't stand you anymore. You complain about the damage the attacks are doing to your psyche, but you've brought this all upon yourself through this type of nonsense.

[RedApples]

I don't know what to say. No way I can be sure. But I figured no one really thinks that is true.

As far as I know no one in this thread has a connection to Cloudbet, for what that is worth.

Okay, I just thought if you actively accuse someone of being something to discredit them then you would need to be able to support the accusations. Not that anyone takes the guy seriously, but he is purporting this to be true and I'd appreciate it if he would either stop, or prove it. It is not fun for me to have someone making up stories about me in order to promote their scam.

I'm respectfully asking just to be treated as any other poster would be treated in this scenario. So if completely made up and fabricated accusations coming from an exposed liar in a means to 'fight back' against a poster are allowed, then I digress.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Just don't tell me i'm a bad person when I'm not. I made a mistake VPN'ing in and lying about it. You don't have to call me a scammer, cheater, and liar just to try and make me go away (which is working).

Now I really know how to run a book. Thanks for shedding light on all of it. Just shame the victims into submission.

My life (and reputation) is worth so much more than all of this crap. Sometimes you just have to settle out of court and take a loss like a boss. You guys are out of line though calling me these names. Don't appreciate that one bit and I respectfully tip my cap and allow you to win- but you will not call me a bad person or a cheater or scammer. Those are extremely bad words that I do not deserve in any respect of the words.

[DoubleRedDragon]

I'm also not a liar. This was extremely out of line for me. I live my life in an extremely honest way and I choose to do things in a legit fashion. I come from the crypto-currency community the past many years and have seen a lot of scams. I'm not even close to one of the people committing those scams. I would appreciate some respect.

[Optional]

Okay, I just thought if you actively accuse someone of being something to discredit them then you would need to be able to support the accusations. Not that anyone takes the guy seriously, but he is purporting this to be true and I'd appreciate it if he would either stop, or prove it. It is not fun for me to have someone making up stories about me in order to promote their scam.

I'm respectfully asking just to be treated as any other poster would be treated in this scenario. So if completely made up and fabricated accusations coming from an exposed liar in a means to 'fight back' against a poster are allowed, then I digress.

Go for it. No problem here.

I don't think anyone thinks you work for Cloudbet really though.

[DoubleRedDragon]

Go for it. No problem here.

I don't think anyone thinks you work for Cloudbet really though.

The guy made an account on bitcointalk just to defend Cloudbet vehemently and slander the crap out of me- and has many posts commenting on how to run a book.

Moving further beyond that- I don't have the mental or energetic capacity to keep up with all of the attacks. I have enough going on in life to not want to have to deal with this. I do not have the resources to fight this battle any further. It's unbelievable.

I'm not the bad person you guys are trying to paint. I VPN'd into a site I lost a lot of money to. I lied about my location to you guys here at SBR. I came clean because I couldn't take the personal attacks and holding it all in as a secret. I live an honest life, I don't cheat anyone, I don't scam anyone. I enjoy living a normal life fitting in with society and I would appreciate it if you would show me some respect.

I appreciate SBR for allowing me the platform and the resources to try and solve this. I appreciate Optional for the helpful advice, and again- I am sorry for lying. I really am. I feel awful about it. Again: half of the people dumb enough to be in my shoes getting into this situation in the first place would have done the same, even when out of character.

I refuse to be called the horrible names you have called me the entire thread. And so I have to back down. I just can't take the heat any more. It's not good for me. I can't win the battle.

[RedApples]

The guy made an account on bitcointalk just to defend Cloudbet vehemently and slander the crap out of me- and has many posts commenting on how to run a book.

Dude, just stop lying. You are guilty of literally everything that you are accusing others of. You've lied and attempted to extort and cheat Cloudbet. You were slandering ME on Bitcointalk, by quoting my posts here, stating that SBR posters were scumbag lowlifes and that I owned Cloudbet. I made an account to clear up the scam attempt you were waging versus Cloudbet, and to defend myself. That's why I made the account, and it's clear as day to read those things. You're a liar and a dishonest person so you continue to try to push this false narrative. I already addressed this in Bitcointalk a couple days ago, where you ran away from posting because of the mountain of evidence against you. Anyone can read that here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...28#msg55426528

[DoubleRedDragon]

Dude, I love SBR posters.. I don't know what you're talking about. I just can't really take the heat of the personal attacks, it's not worth anything in the world.

I'm also not a dishonest person.


The argument is over. People can just dig up the thread should they have any issues with Cloudbet in the future they will reference this one.

There are other facets of life where my interactions with people are much much much better. This is not one of them, and one that I do not care to experience on a daily basis. I don't read all of your posts because I don't need to hear it. I'm sorry man.

And I am sorry if I have offended anyone, including you, Red Apples or Cloudbet.

I have no idea why you have zero sympathy for my case. It's time to move on with my darn life so I can wake up tomorrow and have a fresh start. This is not worth paying with my life, mind, body, or spirit. Again- dishonest person? No. Someone who disagreed with a ruling and wanted to plead not guilty and do what it takes to defend that not guilty plea? Yes. Does that make me a dishonest person? I don't think so. It's a case. I lied, and I came clean mid-case. I'm sorry about that and I will never stop apologizing about lying about it. I thought I made it pretty obvious I was lying, but I think I'm done here (not at SBR of course but at this thread where I am putting a lot of mental energy to it on a daily basis)

[DoubleRedDragon]

By the way, #1 why is redapples allowed to post a link to bitcointalk?

#2, redapples is claiming he is the reason for reversing community support: when in fact I confessed on my own accord because of how not-dishonest of a person I am and how I can't keep up a story for the life of me. He's bragging that he got people to reverse negative feedback for Cloudbet on the bitcointalk forum when their feedback already looks like this:

[RedApples]

Dude, I love SBR posters.. I don't know what you're talking about.

Well, you deleted most of your posts, including all of them from Cloudbetscamsdotcom on Bitcointalk, so it is hard to show proof of you slandering SBR posters by constantly calling them scum of the earth, a waste of time, shills, working for Cloudbet. But there is a few key posts that prove it. 1 is the post in this very thread just a couple hours ago where you've said multiple people in this thread are Cloudbet shills and owners. Naming 3 posters and saying theres a few more. That's at least 6 of us in this very thread, and you making that statement today! For anyone just coming to the thread, Mike has been outed and CONFIRMED a part-owner of Cloudbet. Kona, Mike, RedApples, and a few others.. The other posts that will support my statement are:

[DoubleRedDragon]

My lips are sealed, I'm done talking. Just good luck with everything RedApples, and everyone else defending Cloudbet and the SBR posters I attacked for trying to get me banned from SBR. I'll be looking forward to reading your post histories for the years to come- but too bad I am putting zero more mental energy into this and you have to deal with the reputation management of your company which is already in shambles along with the economy. Just good luck... my work is done here.

I have said some things out of anger like "worst scum of the earth" so it goes both ways. I don't mean that, there's worse people, but not by much.

[jacksonstreet]

I can totally empathize with this guy. He didn't try to 'cheat' or 'scam' - at least not by my definition. Being a US citizen doesn't make you any more likely to beat Cloudbet. They only choose not to accept yankees because of legal reasons. He was simply trying to bet on sports - which we all love - using bitcoin. There are very few trusted bitcoin sites. Cloudbet is one one them. I wish I could play there. People who are in bad positions will often do anything to get out of that position. This guy has $ on the line, so naturally he lied because he thought if he told the truth it would be confiscated 100%. It's easy for wealthy people/those that don't live paycheck to paycheck to look down on this guy....I'm certainly not saying what he did was right, but it's understandable for someone in that position. I don't think it makes him a bad person. I think he's desperate.

DoubleDragon - I hope you get your funds back, but the fact that Cloudbet has stopped responding to you speaks volumes. You need SBR or OSGA to lobby on your behalf. Otherwise, you are just harming yourself by letting this consume you.

[DontTailMe]

My lips are sealed, I'm done talking.

How many times have we heard this before? I would love nothing more than for this thread to fall off the first page, but I'm not holding my breath.