[RUNandGun]

Does anyone know why it’s 2 books in one now? Is it like split owners or just a gimmick?

[Optional]

They just have two backend service providers.

Just to give you multiple options to keep you betting there.

[TheGuesser]

5dimes now has a similar setup. You can line shop within the same book.

[DISTROYA]

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[DISTROYA]

are they legitimate enough to warrant a deposit? SBR rating?
damn never mind...saw a D+...werent they one of the solid, big books?

[Optional]

are they legitimate enough to warrant a deposit? SBR rating?
damn never mind...saw a D+...werent they one of the solid, big books?

They used to be connected to the BetCRIS group. There was some problems during the split including a large balance that was unfairly confiscated. New management approach to those issues led to the big rating drop.

[DISTROYA]

that enough for me, thanks

[joey sangria]

More than 1 confiscated balance, at least 3 reported thru SBR. Any time a book needs to offer 150% bonus, they are in trouble!

[RUNandGun]

I am about to clear my bonus and withdraw some. Let everyone know how it goes.

[DISTROYA]

Thx...please do.

[djmikeemike]

I am now concerned. I have had an account with them for several years now. I do have some money in there and now very worried i will never see it and all ive done was deposits and never a withdrawal. Anyone currently have an account with them and can someone share a positive story about them(if any)??

[Optional]

I am now concerned. I have had an account with them for several years now. I do have some money in there and now very worried i will never see it and all ive done was deposits and never a withdrawal. Anyone currently have an account with them and can someone share a positive story about them(if any)??

Don't panic. Lots of people are still using them without problems.

[djmikeemike]

Thank You. I will stay calm.
BTW- What amount do you think is "too much" to where books will limit your wage amounts or just not pay you?

[captrobey]

Ok - so here we go. My situation.

I deposited $280 a couple weeks back or so. Got the 100% bonus. That was put into a separate area that is all by itself. So i have $280 in the cash area and $280 in the bonus area.

I was told it was $280 plus the $280 times 10 . But if your bonus amount goes over winning what that is you have to add that onto the rollover on the first bet. Mine was not so it was a rollover of $5600

I went in the cash area not even touching the bonus amount. I worked the $280 up through casino and sports betting $6600 . You can go in the casino with the cash NOT with the Bonus though.

So i call to see where i am with the bonus. The guy tells me the cash amount although it counts for the total of the rollover does NOT count towards making the rollover. And as long as bonus money is in there i cannot take anything out . So i said to him " So you are telling me you are counting the deposit plus the Bonus together towards the rollover but games i win with the cash amount do not count towards the rollover? He said Yes and f course i said that makes no sense i have NEVER seen a book do that .

So i then said Ok so basically if i just lose all my bonus money i can cash out. He says after a pause "Well yes technically yes but you should play that since you have it and not waste it. Of course i agreed but lets say i win $50000 on a longshot in the cash area i would rather just blow the Bonus so i can get the cash out.

So that was that conversation. Then after this i stupidly went into the cash area and got raped by the Casino losing you guessed it. Everything.

Now i was mad at myself and depressed. But i still had that $280 bonus money. I just took shots pretty much like i normally do . I hit a nice $900+ parlay. I did not even post these because i was away labor day and honestly was just mad i lost the $6700. Next thing you know i was sitting at $8000. All Sports betting. At this moment i did lose the last bet so right now i have stopped at $7000

So now the fun part comes in. What the hell will they say next. I put in for a cash out of $1500 over the weekend. I am still waiting and they have put in for a rollover review. I do not see how i could POSSIBLY not have reached the rollover starting at $280. But i am a bit scared because since then i was told by another person that the cash amount any bets you place 100% DO count towards the rollover. If that was told to me the first time i would have started cashing out the cash amount.

I do not know if they are just hoping i will play with what is in there like i did before and lose it all. But i am not touching this $7000 . If they try and say my rollover is not met or come up with some insane amount i will file a complaint with SBR and never play there again. If they do pay me which hopefully should be soon- i will definitely let everyone here know that too.

[tercja5]

one trick and do not pay money

[DISTROYA]

Hey Captro, nice to hear from you buddy...what is it with us and these books LMAO
Good luck, keep us posted. 100% cash Bonus is enticing, but seems like waaay too much risk and besides that the aggravation
you have to go through chasing these fools and trying to make sense of their policies and crookery.

[captrobey]

Hey Captro, nice to hear from you buddy...what is it with us and these books LMAO
Good luck, keep us posted. 100% cash Bonus is enticing, but seems like waaay too much risk and besides that the aggravation
you have to go through chasing these fools and trying to make sense of their policies and crookery.

It is funny because i did get $1500 before from them onto the card with pretty much no problem. But that was not with the bonus. I want to just try and stay at $7000 and see what they say. There should be no way after starting at $280 i should not have finished the rollover . But i keep thinking they will look for something to delay this . I hope not though. Hope all is going well with you too my friend.

[DISTROYA]

Worst case they ask for more rollover just lose a little juice and cancel a few wagers out in another book perhaps

[DwightShrute]

They used to be connected to the BetCRIS group. There was some problems during the split including a large balance that was unfairly confiscated. New management approach to those issues led to the big rating drop.

says who? you?

[DwightShrute]

Ok - so here we go. My situation.

I deposited $280 a couple weeks back or so. Got the 100% bonus. That was put into a separate area that is all by itself. So i have $280 in the cash area and $280 in the bonus area.

I was told it was $280 plus the $280 times 10 . But if your bonus amount goes over winning what that is you have to add that onto the rollover on the first bet. Mine was not so it was a rollover of $5600

I went in the cash area not even touching the bonus amount. I worked the $280 up through casino and sports betting $6600 . You can go in the casino with the cash NOT with the Bonus though.

So i call to see where i am with the bonus. The guy tells me the cash amount although it counts for the total of the rollover does NOT count towards making the rollover. And as long as bonus money is in there i cannot take anything out . So i said to him " So you are telling me you are counting the deposit plus the Bonus together towards the rollover but games i win with the cash amount do not count towards the rollover? He said Yes and f course i said that makes no sense i have NEVER seen a book do that .

So i then said Ok so basically if i just lose all my bonus money i can cash out. He says after a pause "Well yes technically yes but you should play that since you have it and not waste it. Of course i agreed but lets say i win $50000 on a longshot in the cash area i would rather just blow the Bonus so i can get the cash out.

So that was that conversation. Then after this i stupidly went into the cash area and got raped by the Casino losing you guessed it. Everything.

Now i was mad at myself and depressed. But i still had that $280 bonus money. I just took shots pretty much like i normally do . I hit a nice $900+ parlay. I did not even post these because i was away labor day and honestly was just mad i lost the $6700. Next thing you know i was sitting at $8000. All Sports betting. At this moment i did lose the last bet so right now i have stopped at $7000

So now the fun part comes in. What the hell will they say next. I put in for a cash out of $1500 over the weekend. I am still waiting and they have put in for a rollover review. I do not see how i could POSSIBLY not have reached the rollover starting at $280. But i am a bit scared because since then i was told by another person that the cash amount any bets you place 100% DO count towards the rollover. If that was told to me the first time i would have started cashing out the cash amount.

I do not know if they are just hoping i will play with what is in there like i did before and lose it all. But i am not touching this $7000 . If they try and say my rollover is not met or come up with some insane amount i will file a complaint with SBR and never play there again. If they do pay me which hopefully should be soon- i will definitely let everyone here know that too.

280 deposit + 280 bonus x10

560 x 10 = 5600 in sports bets

Both cash and bonus wagers count towards the rollover. Win or lose. The lower amount between the risk and win counts towards the rollover.

Because its not a freeplay, winnings stay in the bonus account until the rollover has been met. The bonus account is treated like cash. You get the risk amount and winnings if you win.

In your example ... the first 280 in wagers from the bonus account, if the winnings are equal to or lower than 280, the 5600 rollover is steadfast. If the winnings from the first 280 in wagers from the bonus account exceed the given bonus, then the rollover will be calculated on the higher number.

Once you complete the rollover, and if you have money in the bonus account, you can transfer that balance into the cash account. All converted bonuses require a 1X rollover.

That's how it works. Strategize how you feel best.

[ronald]

I cannot comment on their existing bonus structure, rollover calculations, etc.

However, I can say that this week I was paid via Bitcoin within a few hours of requesting a payout (I did not take a bonus).

[captrobey]

280 deposit + 280 bonus x10

560 x 10 = 5600 in sports bets

Both cash and bonus wagers count towards the rollover. Win or lose. The lower amount between the risk and win counts towards the rollover.

Because its not a freeplay, winnings stay in the bonus account until the rollover has been met. The bonus account is treated like cash. You get the risk amount and winnings if you win.

In your example ... the first 280 in wagers from the bonus account, if the winnings are equal to or lower than 280, the 5600 rollover is steadfast. If the winnings from the first 280 in wagers from the bonus account exceed the given bonus, then the rollover will be calculated on the higher number.

Once you complete the rollover, and if you have money in the bonus account, you can transfer that balance into the cash account. All converted bonuses require a 1X rollover.

That's how it works. Strategize how you feel best.

Hey Dwight have not chatted with you in a bit hope you have been doing well. I think then we are on the same page here . Originally the first guy told me the cash amount did not count towards the rollover . He was wrong just like you said. So really even without the cash amount i was at $8000 all straight bets the only one that was not was a Parlay for $900 + . So even without the cash amount i still would have done the rollover of $5600 .

And if you add the fact that like you say the cash amount counts too it definitely will be over the $5600. Because i made a couple bets there too half of the $6699 were from sport bets. So why this is taking so long to tell me i have reached the rollover is beyond me. My first bet was not over the $280 either so there would be no additional rollover there .

But as of right now i still have the $7000 sitting in there and still have not heard anything about my cash out or my rollover. Orinally i was told the cashout would be processed sometime this past monday. Then 24-48 hours to get a rollover request . So i should have gotten something by now but i will give it until tomorrow .

[DwightShrute]

Hey Dwight have not chatted with you in a bit hope you have been doing well. I think then we are on the same page here . Originally the first guy told me the cash amount did not count towards the rollover . He was wrong just like you said. So really even without the cash amount i was at $8000 all straight bets the only one that was not was a Parlay for $900 + . So even without the cash amount i still would have done the rollover of $5600 .

And if you add the fact that like you say the cash amount counts too it definitely will be over the $5600. Because i made a couple bets there too half of the $6699 were from sport bets. So why this is taking so long to tell me i have reached the rollover is beyond me. My first bet was not over the $280 either so there would be no additional rollover there .

But as of right now i still have the $7000 sitting in there and still have not heard anything about my cash out or my rollover. Orinally i was told the cashout would be processed sometime this past monday. Then 24-48 hours to get a rollover request . So i should have gotten something by now but i will give it until tomorrow .

remember the lower amount counts for the rollover. Always in the book's favour. So if you bet 200 to win 100, 100 counts. If you wager 100 to win 600, 100 counts. Win or lose.

You will have an answer soon I am sure and they will explain if you need clarification. I have been betting there for almost 11 years now.

[captrobey]

remember the lower amount counts for the rollover. Always in the book's favour. So if you bet 200 to win 100, 100 counts. If you wager 100 to win 600, 100 counts. Win or lose.

You will have an answer soon I am sure and they will explain if you need clarification. I have been betting there for almost 11 years now.

Yes but most of the bets were -110 to -120 . The biggest i had on a straight bet was this

Retro Book - Straight

Football - 151 Florida Atlantic/Oklahoma over 70 -110 for Game. Florida Atlantic vrs Oklahoma Broadcast - FOX

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USD 3,720.00/3,381.82
Bonus

So right there is $3381 plus i had these 2 since

Retro Book - Straight

Baseball - 979 Boston Red Sox/Atlanta Braves over 9 -115 for Game
N. Eovaldi - R must Start T. Toussaint - R must Start . Boston Red Sox vrs Atlanta Braves Pitcher 1: N. Eovaldi - R,Pitcher 2: T. Toussaint - R

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USD 1,100.00/956.52
Bonus

Retro Book - Straight

Football - 219 Virginia Tech/Florida St over 55 -110 for Game. Virginia Tech vrs Florida St Broadcast - ESPN

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USD 1,000.00/909.09
Bonus

I mean right there is $5246 . And there were more bets before that including the $900 + parlay so there is $900 more. And this does not even count the ones at the cash area i did. I also asked them about baseball because i know some count half towards the rollover they told me it counts as full.

I have been betting there too a long time but was a bit worried after they went on their own. But they have paid me so far the $1500 awhile back so they did pay. And like you i guess we are considered VIPs betting there so long that is why i got the card. I am guessing you got that too .

[DwightShrute]

I mean right there is $5246 . And there were more bets before that including the $900 + parlay so there is $900 more. And this does not even count the ones at the cash area i did. I also asked them about baseball because i know some count half towards the rollover they told me it counts as full.

I have been betting there too a long time but was a bit worried after they went on their own. But they have paid me so far the $1500 awhile back so they did pay. And like you i guess we are considered VIPs betting there so long that is why i got the card. I am guessing you got that too .

Sounds like you are close and gonna get another payout shortly. Good job.

Yes, they always pay. Funny how they pay thousands of players millions of dollars every year and one guy complains and they go from A to D. Who in their right mind would believe it?

[captrobey]

Sounds like you are close and gonna get another payout shortly. Good job.

Yes, they always pay. Funny how they pay thousands of players millions of dollars every year and one guy complains and they go from A to D. Who in their right mind would believe it?

I do not think they are a D either. But the bonus area and the fact that they have told me totally different things did bother me. One of the reasons i got frustrated was he told me my cash amount did not count towards the rollover . So i had the $6699 sitting in the cash area and just $280 in the bonus. I actually was hoping i would have hit the roll or close to it but when i thought none of it counted i got frustrated and just went in the casino and lost it all. Then i went on the run with the bonus money and got to $8000 now at $7000 . I did that pretty much Over the labor day weekend at a hotel lol. It is my own fault i went in the casino though but then again if i would have got the correct info and knew the bets counted towards the roll i would have not lost it. But i did and it is what it is.

They need something in there that you can see what you need to complete the rollover. And a button that you can hit to convert your bonus to cash. Because if i call them up i just do not know what i am going to get.

[captrobey]

So i called to see where i was with the withdraw for the card that i put in last Saturday. She told me i do not have a card and they never put any money in it. I said that is not true you guys talked me into getting it because i am supposedly a VIP and you also put $1500 on it. So finally she found it and said they will check the rollover and will know by tomorrow where i am. So let us see what happens tomorrow. In the meantime i am going to run in traffic naked or something.

[HedgeHog]

I cannot comment on their existing bonus structure, rollover calculations, etc.

However, I can say that this week I was paid via Bitcoin within a few hours of requesting a payout (I did not take a bonus).

Likewise I was paid 4k btc next day. I also avoided the bonus (don't understand how it works anymore)