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**Stefanakos** · 04-04-19, 02:48 PM

I am reading this post and I can't help but thinking...is it possible that they simply took our money, mine and probably hundreds of others, and they just continue doing their thing?
Bookie is still working, people are placing deposits, they have ratings on this and other websites, and that's it. Like nothing happened.

I would understand that website died, they disappeared and penetrate it, it happens.
But like this...no harm for them, nothing. Nobody is doing anything.

Is it possible, is it really possible that this will end like this?? They took thousand guys...maybe millions. And nothing??? Really?

penetrate this world man.

**harald** · 04-04-19, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Stefanakos

I am reading this post and I can't help but thinking...is it possible that they simply took our money, mine and probably hundreds of others, and they just continue doing their thing?
Bookie is still working, people are placing deposits, they have ratings on this and other websites, and that's it. Like nothing happened.

I would understand that website died, they disappeared and penetrate it, it happens.
But like this...no harm for them, nothing. Nobody is doing anything.

Is it possible, is it really possible that this will end like this?? They took thousand guys...maybe millions. And nothing??? Really?

penetrate this world man.

I am thinking in the same way. How is this possible, Betcruise just did not like to pay to bettors and decided to keep their money, but they can happily continue just like nothing has happened. They surely get some new customers all the time and of course, no need to pay anything. And yes no harm, no consequences, nothing. For them it is just to take everything they get and steal as much as people deposit.
Maybe they five years from now is still stealing money with rather good rating in most places.

If you Betcruise you could believe it is a rather good book and not a book that steal your money.

**Stefanakos** · 04-04-19, 03:17 PM

Hahaha it's funny when you think about it.
Some people rob a bank, they do time for that, but this gentleman? No sir. He is still operating.

**lonnie55** · 04-04-19, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Stefanakos

I am reading this post and I can't help but thinking...is it possible that they simply took our money, mine and probably hundreds of others, and they just continue doing their thing?
Bookie is still working, people are placing deposits, they have ratings on this and other websites, and that's it. Like nothing happened.

I would understand that website died, they disappeared and penetrate it, it happens.
But like this...no harm for them, nothing. Nobody is doing anything.

Is it possible, is it really possible that this will end like this?? They took thousand guys...maybe millions. And nothing??? Really?

penetrate this world man.

The typical scheme is to shut down the site at some point and to launch a new site a few days/weeks later and repeat the whole procedure

**harald** · 04-04-19, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by lonnie55

The typical scheme is to shut down the site at some point and to launch a new site a few days/weeks later and repeat the whole procedure

Yes, but with rather good ratings (not only here), new customers and no risk for any punishment there is no need for that so quickly.

**lonnie55** · 04-04-19, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by harald

Yes, but with rather good ratings (not only here), new customers and no risk for any punishment there is no need for that so quickly.

Maybe they get an initial C rating like BetCruise did 9 years ago (and hold it to date)

**harald** · 04-04-19, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by lonnie55

Maybe they get an initial C rating like BetCruise did 9 years ago (and hold it to date)

Probably. C rating can be everything from rather reliable to absolutely non paying books.

**lonnie55** · 04-04-19, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by harald

Probably. C rating can be everything from rather reliable to absolutely non paying books.

C rating is like "we have no idea how we should rate this book so let's start in the middle of the range and let's see how things develop"

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-sites/betcruise/

It's weird that there are no reports since July, 2018

If you don't look into the forum but only see this page you might think "okay, there were some problems back in 2018 and 2017 (2 little cases each year) but since then everything seems to be alright and the rating is still okay so let's give them a try"

**Stefanakos** · 04-04-19, 05:11 PM

That's what I am trying to say.

They stole our money, and everything seems normal.

And one more thing. It is becoming annoying how we accept those things as normal lately. If you go to a store, pay for something and they just take your money and don't give you that ''something'', what would happen? Well I am sure something would, but he wouldn't just walk away. And here? They don't only walk away, but you have guys (and here as well) saying ''why are you surprised, you should buy only at ''Walmart'' (or bet at one of about 10 most famous bookies).'' Oh really? Now robberies are normal thing?? Well I'must have dreamed my whole life until now if this is now normal.

**KittiP** · 04-04-19, 11:01 PM

Yes, it's much easier to steal money from people from behind a computer screen, in person its a different story.
But you have to understand that this is simply just the reality of it right now.
Once you put your money in their hands and put your trust in them, once they have it, it's just simply human nature for them to take your money and use any irrational reasoning to justify taking your money.
Most of the time they will be so wound up in their justifications, that they won't bat an eyelid.

It's not only players that are getting scammed, the bookies are obviously getting a bad deal by multi-accounters, arbers, bonus abusers etc.
They could justify stealing a normal players funds by saying 'we got done by x' and you could be x too.

I don't think it's fair reasoning, but its easy to see both sides.

**harald** · 04-05-19, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by KittiP

Yes, it's much easier to steal money from people from behind a computer screen, in person its a different story.
But you have to understand that this is simply just the reality of it right now.
Once you put your money in their hands and put your trust in them, once they have it, it's just simply human nature for them to take your money and use any irrational reasoning to justify taking your money.
Most of the time they will be so wound up in their justifications, that they won't bat an eyelid.

It's not only players that are getting scammed, the bookies are obviously getting a bad deal by multi-accounters, arbers, bonus abusers etc.
They could justify stealing a normal players funds by saying 'we got done by x' and you could be x too.

I don't think it's fair reasoning, but its easy to see both sides.

This is the reality. But to stop things like this it is important that companies like Betcruise get a bad reputation. If a potential new customer google the name Betcruise there should appear warnings that you never see your money again if you use them.
Now there are no real warnings, the potential customer have to go to these threads to notice that Betcruise will steal his money. Even at the page of the ratings is nowhere information that they do not pay, just some report from july 2018, no reports that they 2019 absolutely not pay at all. There should be reports that Betcruise do not pay at all and that you lose you money with 99,99999999999999999% risk.

Multi-accounters and so on problems do not justify companies like Betcruise to steal everyones money even if it is a problem for companies that limits winning players or players betting with such a pattern that they might win.

**Adham Yassin** · 04-07-19, 07:18 AM

I have not got any money from them yet. I just log in to my account to see what happened with my pending withdrawal. I found that I do not have a waiting withdrawal anymore. That means, they simply stole my money.

**harald** · 04-07-19, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Adham Yassin

I have not got any money from them yet. I just log in to my account to see what happened with my pending withdrawal. I found that I do not have a waiting withdrawal anymore. That means, they simply stole my money.

Of course this is not a good thing, still I think the difference between this and having a withdrawal pending at Betcruise is minimal, the outcome will be the same; you will get no money.