BetRevolution Scam: Sportsbook winnings confiscated for Syndicate Betting

[DJ Dalamar]

But, what rules were broken?

These are independent guys who approach sportsbetting the same way. Thus, they were independently making similar bets.

Didn't they admit to being connected after first lieing about it? To me it's like card counting it's not illegal but you know your not suppose to do it. In the old days if you got caught doing it they sent you a message not to try it in their joint again.

Again not taking sides just saying I understand. If you don't do this you run the risk of being another BI if you do you get a lot of bad press despite a great rep right before all this.

[Wilfred]

wilfred, if you and i both like the bulls tonight, and we both bet the max at heritage sports, are we conspiring to increase the limits? or are we just two players that have an opinion on a game and bet it at the same place?

now change the situation: if you and i both bet the max on the bulls, and we both bet at heritage, but i send you one PM a month, are we conspiring to increase the limits? or are we just two players that have an opinion on a game and bet it at the same place?

Well when that happens on every single bet and at the Same time I think something is up.

[Peregrine Stoop]

Didn't they admit to being connected after first lieing about it?

They admit to being connected in that they both are on the twoplustwo sports betting forums and interacted on there. They are slightly more connected than you and I now are.

My issue with this is BetRev's stats are not impressive at all. They are just profiling winners and lumping them together.

Why haven't they released Behnke's same plays as Peeig? What are they hiding? I'm sure we'd see that the same plays are stuff anyone sharp would be hitting.

If they released the actual bets, we'd just see independent players picking off the same lines.

If the two to four were working together as BetRev alleges, why are they so different in the number of bets placed????

Doesn't it seem quite odd for it to be a syndicate where account B only bets 20% of the volume of account A? For $500 and $250 limits?!!!

BetRev's story doesn't add up. They're just profiling and stealing from winners. Instead of using the winner's information to fix their weak spots, they are targeting the players. Their new risk management team must have come from BI.

[daringly]

It BetRevolution thought these players were acting in concert, the remedy was to void wagers at the time they were made. If they had a strong case (and they do not -- they have not clearly proven these players were acting in concert to circumvent limits), they might even be justified in voiding wagers for one game after the event.

Taking balances months later is simple theft. If they don't have a decent trader to keep their lines in-market, they need to deal fewer markets, or hire better traders. If this theft is not corrected, they should be a D- or F rated book.

[erickvivar]

So, lets be clear, if they show the bets and they happened to be on same lines and not close to game time, etc, etc, they will be good to go?

If the guys involved agree to do that in public, Im sure BREV will take the offer. Lets hear it. Bishop do you want them to do it? put it up publicly and let the dice roll.

[Trident]

From what I can see no reason what so ever these players shouldn't be paid in full.

I have played at BR off and on and was pleasently surprised but after seeing how all of this transpired I won't be sending them any of my hard earned money again.

[Sledge187]

Lecubs, its not you and some other guy. It is at least 3 guys, and not one game or two, or three, we are talking about 90+ games where you managed to contact your friend on the spot and agreed to place the wager within minutes of each other. Why would you be doing that?

Im not expecting you to get it right away, but then why would you be putting 200+ identical wagers to your newly found friends, which off course you happen to deny you know them, because you were lovers on the past or some stuff like that.

I know you didnt read BREVs response and their statistics, you are more of a one liner kind of guy.

You dont like your kind to be caught doing their "honest" playing, or "trying to make money". I get you. Troll around.

LOL! You have no credibility considering you get paid from an off shore book. What book do you work/scam for so I know where not to put my money at?

[jrmartin.mig]

So let me get this straight, some of you are actually arguing that these guys should not be paid?

What if one of my fraternity brothers from college happens to be a good baseball capper? He gives me a couple tips, and they hit, so naturally I want a couple more. Next thing you know I am following is tips religiously because he spends six hours a day capping and I work a full-time job. You're saying my balance should be confiscated?

God forbid someone on SBR ever catches fire and goes on a tear. What if 25 people follow the SEER Next football season and he kills it. Since we are all on SBR, chances are we are all using the same book. You idiots are saying that because we all took our cues from one person and he posted his lines 15 minutes before the game that we are a syndicate and all of our accounts should be confiscated.

Sometimes I feel dumber for having been on this forum.

[nasdaq]

erickvivar,

are you a BetRev representative ?
It seems to be so...

[tto827]

Some of you guys sure are dense.

Just cause Erickviviar is trying to back the books side to get a fair opinion doesn't mean he works for the book. How many shills do you think these companies have? Anytime someone defends a book they are automatically a shill.... great assumption morons.

[Cuse4tw]

its just so simple.


pay them

then

boot them.




betrev showing why you stay away from the magic kingdoms

[Sledge187]

Some of you guys sure are dense.

Just cause Erickviviar is trying to back the books side to get a fair opinion doesn't mean he works for the book. How many shills do you think these companies have? Anytime someone defends a book they are automatically a shill.... great assumption morons.

Dear Stupid, You realize he does work for a book right? He mentions this in a previous post not in this thread plus he doesn't deny it either.

[tto827]

Dear Stupid, You realize he does work for a book right? He mentions this in a previous post not in this thread plus he doesn't deny it either.

Didn't see that, and if its the case, great, the dart-throwers got one right this time. They'll still be wrong 90%+.

What good would denying it do? Would a true shill come out and say they are a shill, sort of defeats the purpose does it not?

[shari91]

So let me get this straight, some of you are actually arguing that these guys should not be paid?

God forbid someone on SBR ever catches fire and goes on a tear. What if 25 people follow the SEER Next football season and he kills it. Since we are all on SBR, chances are we are all using the same book. You idiots are saying that because we all took our cues from one person and he posted his lines 15 minutes before the game that we are a syndicate and all of our accounts should be confiscated.

Sometimes I feel dumber for having been on this forum.

This is exactly what I was thinking too. Quite a few guys in my tennis thread joined 365 just to grab the same lines I did on dogs. And the guys in Service Plays who follow someone like RAS are all placing bets at the same time. They have to or the line RAS got will be gone. There are even groups of guys from the Think Tank who send out emails with plays and you have about 3 minutes to grab them before games/halfs start. Everyone's considered in a syndicate now???

[Sledge187]

Didn't see that, and if its the case, great, the dart-throwers got one right this time. They'll still be wrong 90%+.

What good would denying it do? Would a true shill come out and say they are a shill, sort of defeats the purpose does it not?

Pay the mans their monies.

[Jayvegas420]

So, if Sledge & I talk about a particular game on here & come to the same conclusion & then make our bets at BR we are now a syndicate?
We aren't chopping our profits between each other like a corporation nor, are we both betting the max wager to try to find a way around the house maximums, we just like the way each other thinks when it comes to handicapping.
So, in the eyes of a book like BR we can't do this, in spite of the fact that BR will allow us to bet & bet over & over again while never having the intention to pay either of us?
This just sounds like a place I don't want Sledge & I to bet at.
I'm a little slow.
Maybe I'm missing something.

[tto827]

Pay the mans their monies.

I agree they should be paid and booted. Just wanted to point out that not everyone who supports a book is a shill or has an agenda.

[Sledge187]

I agree they should be paid and booted. Just wanted to point out that not everyone who supports a book is a shill or has an agenda.

I love BetDSI and back in the day I use to love Vip.com but in this case the book is clearly running a scam. If they kicked the players but paid them in full then I would have no problem with it. That said unless they pay them then, I and several others in this community will continue to bash this this book.

[touchback]

Syndicate betting and bearding is very very very hard to prove now... in the past we checked IPs but now with smart phones and proxy and swapped IPs proxies regularly it is almost impossible now unless the Nit Wit used a static IP from his house or some other stupid thing. So what to do.... Bet Rev, you better prove your case or be called a no pay and this is going to be hard to prove since it is one of the things I do. Good Luck... I would pay em, or settle for less that all agree too and then close their accounts.

[jazy989]

Why would anybody keep that kind of $ there. I get nervous having 1 grand there. Just like Tony said about betislands

[trytrytry]

ITs SAFE to now say that the new company name is BET POLLUTION not bet revolution..Shame on them... get out fast.

[DJ Dalamar]

You guys are making it sound like it was just a couple of plays. (If what they say is true) it was 87% over a period of time, within minuets of each other, after several payouts and then they lied when asked about it.

That said I probably pay em and just penetrate with em while I did it. (Slow pay make em jump through hoops ect) But it for sure seems to be more then a couple guys sharing plays.

[SportsbookReview]

It makes no difference if these were two friends tweeting plays and betting them or 40 tout subscribers (a la Bet Royal case) that blindly follow their man. BetRevolution's actions here are theft.

That being said, I think BetRevolution cares about the public perception of their brand, although they were seriously irresponsible in releasing personal information of their players, and I hope the case managers involved have the freedom to do an about-face here. It's never too late to do the right thing and we're continuing to try to make that point to them.

[jrmartin.mig]

You guys are making it sound like it was just a couple of plays. (If what they say is true) it was 87% over a period of time, within minuets of each other, after several payouts and then they lied when asked about it.

That said I probably pay em and just penetrate with em while I did it. (Slow pay make em jump through hoops ect) But it for sure seems to be more then a couple guys sharing plays.

Who gives a penetrate if it's 100% of the play's 100% of the time. And less they can prove that it's the same person making the bets then pay them their money.

And of coarse they got nervous and lied when the book called asking them questions. The book is actively looking for reasons not to pay them. If the book called up and started shooting questions at you questioning Your account Wouldn't you get nervous to?

[bobbywaves]

Why would anybody keep that kind of $ there. I get nervous having 1 grand there. Just like Tony said about betislands

Because BetRevs withdrawal methods suck, few options & low limits. Only thing that kept me from signing up.

[lecubs28]

It makes no difference if these were two friends tweeting plays and betting them or 40 tout subscribers (a la Bet Royal case) that blindly follow their man. BetRevolution's actions here are theft.

That being said, I think BetRevolution cares about the public perception of their brand, although they were seriously irresponsible in releasing personal information of their players, and I hope the case managers involved have the freedom to do an about-face here. It's never too late to do the right thing and we're continuing to try to make that point to them.

couldn't have said it better myself.

[The Bishop]

Bingo.

Question?

Has BetRev contacted you apologizing for posting your personal info?

No, that would take an ounce of class.

[The Bishop]

we are talking about 90+ games where you managed to contact your friend on the spot and agreed to place the wager within minutes of each other. Why would you be doing that?

You don't need to talk to anyone to see when a book hangs a rogue line or takes an opinion on a game, you just need to have about 15 tabs open in Firefox and bang away. Many people are doing the same thing without talking about it.

[The Bishop]

Bishop do you want them to do it? put it up publicly and let the dice roll.

I would love for BetRev to post my entire wagering history in the thread across the street. They have not done so.

If they do so, will you publicly post what scam book you work for?

[The Bishop]

Lecubs, its not you and some other guy. It is at least 3 guys, and not one game or two, or three, we are talking about 90+ games where you managed to contact your friend on the spot and agreed to place the wager within minutes of each other. Why would you be doing that?

Im not expecting you to get it right away, but then why would you be putting 200+ identical wagers to your newly found friends, which off course you happen to deny you know them, because you were lovers on the past or some stuff like that.

I know you didnt read BREVs response and their statistics, you are more of a one liner kind of guy.

You dont like your kind to be caught doing their "honest" playing, or "trying to make money". I get you. Troll around.

Why are you accepting their stats without seeing any evidence to back it up?

[Legions36]

I would love for BetRev to post my entire wagering history in the thread across the street. They have not done so.

If they do so, will you publicly post what scam book you work for?

Hey Bishop i understand your frustration. I wouldn't want any book taking money from people but what im confused about is why would they just pick u out of the group for no reason? Up until this point anyone that has used them has had nothing but good things to say about them including myself.
They also say that this is like 3 guys and all from SBR who r the other guys that they were saying were in on this?

[The Bishop]

Hey Bishop i understand your frustration. I wouldn't want any book taking money from people but what im confused about is why would they just pick u out of the group for no reason? Up until this point anyone that has used them has had nothing but good things to say about them including myself.
They also say that this is like 3 guys and all from SBR who r the other guys that they were saying were in on this?

I honestly have no idea. I am friendly online acquaintances with Peeig, but have no idea who the other 2 are. Perhaps they post at 2p2 or are other online friends of Peeig's but I do not know them.

[Legions36]

I honestly have no idea. I am friendly online acquaintances with Peeig, but have no idea who the other 2 are. Perhaps they post at 2p2 or are other online friends of Peeig's but I do not know them.

I see, well these guys seem pretty sure without a doubt that u were part of these guys. They also put together a pretty in depth report which is posted earlier in this thread about how they came to this. Were u able to read that? And is any of that true? Also SBR has said that from what was put out all 3 of the guys were close friends.

[jazy989]

I am taking out 822 monday.. they must have some info on u guys

[The Bishop]

They also put together a pretty in depth report which is posted earlier in this thread about how they came to this. Were u able to read that? And is any of that true?

The stats part? I don't believe it personally. Peeig has told me that he bet a lot of basketball and bought points on those bets. I've never made a single basketball (NBA or college hoops) bet there. That alone is going be enough of a divergence of bets to refute the stats.

Also SBR has said that from what was put out all 3 of the guys were close friends.

Like I said, I can't speak for the other 2 guys, but I'm not close friends with Peeig and don't know the other people.