Large Money Mia From Betfair Account

[englishmike]

he was taking longshots, as said no such thing as a -5000 horse

-5000 bets occur in every event Betfair takes bets on. When Tiger Woods is 2 shots ahead with one to play he's -5000. When a horse is leading by three lengths with 100 yards left he's -5000.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 50,000-1 on a dead cert from aston's account. Hacker's real account places a $1 bet at 50,000-1. Bet wins. Money in hacker's account. Hacker withdraws.

Extremely obvious though - i know betfair's software actually picks that up.

[tacomax]

-5000 bets occur in every event Betfair takes bets on. When Tiger Woods is 2 shots ahead with one to play he's -5000

But what are the odds of losing x3 -5000 bets in a row (well I know the odds, but you know what I mean).

Assuming that the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. It's a story exponentially more believable than SexyGamblerChick. Seeing the betting pattern at Betfair should pretty much clear this up.

[englishmike]

Hacker gains control of aston's account. Hacker offers 50,000-1 on a dead cert from aston's account. Hacker's real account places a $1 bet at 50,000-1. Bet wins. Money in hacker's account. Hacker withdraws.

In theory its possible and if that did happen he'll get his money back because it will be reflected in the data that someone offered to lay a horse at a false price. That said, the data will also show if they were bets that were struck at the same odds as everyone else who betted the same event. In your scenario the hacker would need to have access to all his information and another fake account. He'd also have to hope Betfair weren't alerted to the theft before he attempted to withdraw. How do you explain the hacker knowing the 3 digit security number o the back of his card?

[englishmike]

But what are the odds of losing x3 -5000 bets in a row (well I know the odds, but you know what I mean).

Assuming that the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. It's a story exponentially more believable than SexyGamblerChick. Seeing the betting pattern at Betfair should pretty much clear this up.

Agreed, but as I already pointed out, what's the difference between the OP making this up because HE lost the money and will try anything to get it back and the hacker story? In a scenario where someone ost money they later regretted, this is the only story that can be made up and that's his problem, there's no way of proving anything, given it was accesed from his I.P. with the correct password. That's not say I disbeleive him, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

[aston]

WTF

no mate I do not have enemys that would to do that fraud to me..

[aston]

Engish mike my punting history should make a difference I have not bet insane amount of $161,00 in less than 30 minutes and as for my credit card they did block it and flag the credit card because of odd activity .also Englishmike I am A PREMINUM Com% paying customer for betfair and for me to get to that level deserves skill and time

[tacomax]

Agreed, but as I already pointed out, what's the difference between the OP making this up because HE lost the money and will try anything to get it back and the hacker story?

I did say that if the OP is telling the truth, I believe him. In that case, the OP wouldn't be telling the truth.

Betting patterns from Betfair will make or break this. And I'm pretty sure that Betfair looked at all of this when the issus was raised.

Also offering to settle cents on the dollar before anyone investigates is a little fishy as well.

[aston]

Tacomax thank you very much for your support but betfair has not offered me anyhting yet tbh...but I hope to get my money back as the truth is on my side

[aston]

here is story about credit card at betfair http://www.yaps4u.net/mt_archives/20...redit_car.html

[APK]

aston,

Were you using your own computer at the time the bets were placed?
Is your computer connected to the internet through wifi?
Would it be possible to prove you were somewhere else at the time the bets were placed?

[noyb]

aston,
Would it be possible to prove you were somewhere else at the time the bets were placed?

even if he could, that wouldn't prove anything. i'm suprised though aston hasn't commented further about how his computer would have been hacked in all his further posts.
to be able obtain all the data needed for a hack his computer should be infested with all kinds of spyware. hacks don't happen out of the blue. this question was raised earlier by data but not really taken any further.

[APK]

even if he could, that wouldn't prove anything.

It could prove that it wasn't him that placed the bets.
Still not really Betfair's problem if somebody leaves the front door open and his credit card and password next to his computer.

[noyb]

Still not really Betfair's problem if somebody leaves the front door open and his credit card and password next to his computer.

exactly.

[wtf]

the main contention of aston is these wagers were grossly out of his betting patterns and should have been stopped pending verification by betfair.

[APK]

exactly.

If that's the case...

Weird story.

[noyb]

If that's the case...

yeah, but that's why proving he was or was not at home does not change anything, it's just as irrelevant as the argument betfair should have stopped the bets, because they shouldn't, or the argument the bets were outside the normal betting pattern which could never be an argument for anything. betfair has the power to see where all the money on these bets went, only if something suspicious comes out of that this thread might get a followup

[aston]

I was not at home when the bets were placed and my computer does not have any virus tbh and the *credit card company did Block the credit credit card* and betfair in the past has blocked my account due to a odd high bet also betfair contacts me once my account has been empty to change the password...?! (which in case I did before I read there email) also my betting history over the 5 years does prove I do not punt $161,00 in 30 mintues and I do not lay 30 1 to 50-1 shots and betfair has to some level does prove this because I am preminium com paying customer and you cannot get that level by placing those type of punts that I have stated..as for connection I use my deskstpe which is connected direct and my labtop which is by router.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

....as for connection I use my deskstpe which is connected direct and my labtop which is by router.

Wireless?

[aston]

my desktop is not wireless but my labtop is wireless but both have been checked for virus and spyware and both computer are clean.

*Is there any other place I can contact besides here DRF SPORTINGLIFE or RACINGPOST WHICH I did contact yesterday)*

STILL WATING FOR BETFAIR REPLY OR UPDATE ON THE DISPUTE AS OVER THE PHONE YESTERDAY THEY SAID THEY WOULD SEND ME A EMAIL! !

[aston]

also I still cannot login into my betfair account

[wtf]

if you get a forensic test of your pc that will give you a lot of credibility and you can go to the mainstream UK press. they will run the story.

betfair will continue to ignore you.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

my desktop is not wireless but my labtop is wireless but both have been checked for virus and spyware and both computer are clean.

What type of wifi encryption are you using?

[englishmike]

HeeHaww: I can see why you would look down the encryption route but in that scenario wouldn't the person doing the hacking need to know where he lived or are you thinking about intercepting the informaton much further down the line? And wouldn't that person also have to have a fake account at Betfair to place bets against...unless it was someone who wanted to empty the account for sh1ts and giggles right?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Well yeah - but the question of the hacker's motivation doesn't really change regardless of how he got access. As I said above: why wouldn't he just dump chips via poker? From what we've heard, he just tried to empty the account for no reason.

If wireless snooping was used, it would have just been random wardriving, then snooping. This would yield the username/password, and the CVV if the deposit was made via the laptop.

[aston]

I have had a local computer company check my computer for virus by forensic test mate do you mean give it to he police? because when I file a complaint they did not ask for the computer??

[englishmike]

You need to report this to the UK police at Scotland Yard. Even if they don't take it seriously get a crime report number from them so it can be seen you made a complaint of theft.

[aston]

also please read the thread I have posted above and others I have found

http://www.yaps4u.net/mt_archives/20...redit_car.html

http://www.midasoracle.org/2007/12/07/there-are-a-bunch-of-bozos-at-betfair-in-the-anti-fraud-and-legal-departments-apparently/

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-consumer-issues/66965-fraud-betfair.html

[aston]

English mike I did fill out this form https://secure.met.police.uk/enquiries/index.php

[englishmike]

Thats a general enquiry form, if you enqired how to make a complaint then wait and see what happens, if you didn't just call them and report it.

I've read the links you've posted and i can honestly say I didn't realise they had these issues, although having said that, given the ammount of transactions they process in a year it's probably negligable but it does show fraud is possible.

[laconic]

English mike I did fill out this form https://secure.met.police.uk/enquiries/index.php

Try this too

https://online.met.police.uk/report.php

[aston]

English mike I did call them and the gave me a number which I have to give to my local police which I wil do today (also the UK police said the the canada police will make contact with interpol regarding this case)

[aston]

also I did fill out this form as well http://www.interpol.int/Public/contact.asp and wait and see for what happens

[aston]

More problems for betfair

http://pokerchaos.blogspot.com/2006/07/pokerchamps-betfair-scam.html

just proves Betfair no the best business practice

[englishmike]

English mike I did call them and the gave me a number which I have to give to my local police which I wil do today (also the UK police said the the canada police will make contact with interpol regarding this case)

if you feel you have a genuine case it's irrelevent what we say on here, the bottom line is you're claiming you've had $160K stolen and if that's the case it needs to be turned over to the police, whether that's interpol or Scotland yard or your local police in Canada. The sum involved will make them investigate it and it can't hurt your case because Betfair won't take any notice of SBR anyway, why would they, they're governed by IBAS.