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  • rfr3sh
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-07-09
    • 10229

    #1
    Using Betfair to make picks
    So lets say you are looking at a smaller league game on BetFair but you notice there is a lot of money on a game relative to the other games and almost all the money is on one side, is that reason to make the play, or is it just square money?
  • AsRequested
    SBR High Roller
    • 09-22-09
    • 166

    #2
    I guess it depends on the reasons behind that as always. i'd take a look at that game, at the news and if this one team comes from a sick run of wins or the other team has lost 7 games in a row etc this might be 'square money'.
    if you cant find a reason why the mass would favor this team over the other team in this extent then... well maybe i'd still only bet small on it.
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    • nulldah
      SBR MVP
      • 01-27-10
      • 1473

      #3
      i'm not sure about major league like epl, etc.. but i wouldn't do it for sure at smaller league like turkish, russian, portugal.. usually the major teams that appeared at el or cl will get extremely low odds because of this heavy money n yet, they r not that superior, in my opinion.
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      • rfr3sh
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-07-09
        • 10229

        #4
        well ive made a parlay for fun of all the "smaller" league picks that I think fit the criteria i posted above.
        Also on a side note compared to all the other AFC games, Kawasaki and Melbourne had the most money but almost all of the money was on kawasaki.

        here is the parlay:
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        • mihaita666
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-13-09
          • 8596

          #5
          what were you downloading thorough utorrent ?
          Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
          2010-2011 season (soccer) :
          144-95-11
          NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
          17-12-1


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          • 905prodigy
            SBR High Roller
            • 11-08-09
            • 247

            #6
            Originally posted by mihaita666
            what were you downloading thorough utorrent ?
            lmao
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            • rfr3sh
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 11-07-09
              • 10229

              #7
              haha, nothing I think its just open
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              • rfr3sh
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 11-07-09
                • 10229

                #8
                Originally posted by rfr3sh
                well ive made a parlay for fun of all the "smaller" league picks that I think fit the criteria i posted above.
                Also on a side note compared to all the other AFC games, Kawasaki and Melbourne had the most money but almost all of the money was on kawasaki.

                here is the parlay:
                9/11

                Wish i wont 12 Grand from 1$

                maybe this could work though
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                • JOHON8
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 01-28-10
                  • 7712

                  #9
                  Holy crap you got 9 out of 11 right. Even the favorites were upset in those 9. The other 2 were off by 1 goal... I think we need to make a list like this as many times as we can and experiment on the teams in a different way in case 1 or more don't work.

                  did you just go around betfair looking at graphs and picking irregularities? If so we can help you save time by splitting leagues and putting our finds in a thread together.
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                  • mihaita666
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-13-09
                    • 8596

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 905prodigy
                    lmao
                    well, humanity without humor is boring, that's one of my living principles
                    Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
                    2010-2011 season (soccer) :
                    144-95-11
                    NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
                    17-12-1


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                    • Masu485
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-14-08
                      • 7700

                      #11
                      this could be the next big thing, but betfair's been around for a while. why has no one picked up on it yet?
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                      • rfr3sh
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 11-07-09
                        • 10229

                        #12
                        what I did was look at each league, and noticed the amount of money generally bet on each game.
                        Then with games where the number was significantly more, I looked if there was majority on the money on one side
                        However using common sense it is obvious that a game with a top team playing will have more money then two middle table teams playing each other, and all the money should be on the big favourite, so skip those ones and look for games like the ones I posted
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                        • xGrr
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 02-24-10
                          • 216

                          #13
                          i remember seen this before and it was failing because it was mainly square money but i do believe this included big leagues as well. I am curious to see how this will go in the next few days with only small leagues looked at.
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                          • rfr3sh
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 11-07-09
                            • 10229

                            #14
                            well you have to be smart about it, if you see Man U palying wolves it is expected all the money will be on them..but when you see a team at +210 with majority of the money it obviously isnt square money correct?
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                            • rfr3sh
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 11-07-09
                              • 10229

                              #15
                              I checked the money at about 3 AM est, I wont be able to check that late today, So at best I'll do it before bed, or if not in class tomorrow early morning
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                              • xGrr
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 02-24-10
                                • 216

                                #16
                                Today there was another thread where people said they might be a possible fix on the game of Vicenza v Crotone, 2 teams from Serie B and the reason behind it was because of the amount of money that was put in betfair for a draw (the draw pre game was 1.60 and the game had over 1.1 million matched). The game finished 0-2, now either the fix went wrong or maybe some guy with a lot of money was thinking a draw will happen or betfair maybe faked it, anyway it killed the odds and triggered a snowball having other people jump in.
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                                • rfr3sh
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-07-09
                                  • 10229

                                  #17
                                  Yeah I noticed that today aswell, but We were not allowed to bet on that after I had found it out anyways, plus dont you think the mob is smarter then that?
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                                  • rfr3sh
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-07-09
                                    • 10229

                                    #18
                                    so far this is what I have found for tomorrow,
                                    I think for games in the afternoon the money will start coming in later tonight so we will pay attention to those
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                                    • rfr3sh
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-07-09
                                      • 10229

                                      #19
                                      Really Liking AL-Saad
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                                      • Masu485
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 08-14-08
                                        • 7700

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by rfr3sh

                                        so far this is what I have found for tomorrow,
                                        I think for games in the afternoon the money will start coming in later tonight so we will pay attention to those
                                        could you say what leagues these are from?
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                                        • rfr3sh
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 11-07-09
                                          • 10229

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Masu485
                                          could you say what leagues these are from?
                                          Ya for sure sorry:

                                          AFC Champions League:
                                          Al-Saad SC +110
                                          Al Ittihad Jeddah +130


                                          Czech Republic Gambrinus Liga
                                          Ceske Budejovice +100

                                          Bulgaria A PFG
                                          Lokomotiv Mezdra +350

                                          Austria Bundesliga
                                          SV Ried +150

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                                          • Masu485
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 08-14-08
                                            • 7700

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by rfr3sh
                                            Ya for sure sorry:

                                            AFC Champions League:
                                            Al-Saad SC +110
                                            Al Ittihad Jeddah +130


                                            Czech Republic Gambrinus Liga
                                            Ceske Budejovice +100

                                            Bulgaria A PFG
                                            Lokomotiv Mezdra +350

                                            Austria Bundesliga
                                            SV Ried +150

                                            thanks, if i remember correctly al ittihad has an amazing commentator. i watch the highlights sometimes just to hear him. may tail you on these. thanks again!
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                                            • rfr3sh
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-07-09
                                              • 10229

                                              #23
                                              I wouldnt risk anything big on these as it was just a test with positive results on the first day I just did a round robin parlay with these 5 for a small wager
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                                              • TWEETS
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-22-08
                                                • 2114

                                                #24
                                                If a couple weeks of results come back like todays, it would seem to be smart to pull this each day and do some Round Robins.
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                                                • JOHON8
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 01-28-10
                                                  • 7712

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TWEETS
                                                  If a couple weeks of results come back like todays, it would seem to be smart to pull this each day and do some Round Robins.
                                                  exactly what I'm thinking.

                                                  If at least 70-90% of these picks are hitting then we should start doing roundrobins, because the odds of the games are very valuable. There is a lot of uncertainty, but we can start to get used to the patterns the more we experiment.

                                                  Also guys please be responsible about your betting. My advice i to keep it small, or not bet at all unless you yourself are certain about risking your money. After all this is a business that revolves around corruption.
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                                                  • rfr3sh
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 11-07-09
                                                    • 10229

                                                    #26
                                                    yup exactly just teting it now
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                                                    • rfr3sh
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 11-07-09
                                                      • 10229

                                                      #27
                                                      Look at

                                                      Total matched on this event: $773 Betting summary - Volume: $635 Last price matched: 4.30
                                                      82% of the money on this random team, I like it
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                                                      • Masu485
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 08-14-08
                                                        • 7700

                                                        #28
                                                        how do round robins work exactly?
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                                                        • JOHON8
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 01-28-10
                                                          • 7712

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Masu485
                                                          how do round robins work exactly?
                                                          1 example of many: you pick 4 teams and bet 6 doubles on them, meaning at least 2 have to win to get a return.
                                                          another example: you pick a 7 team parlay, but do a 5 fold (21 bets) so that if 1 or 2 lose you still get a return.

                                                          Go try it in the SBR picks page, there is a round robin option. Also google it you'll find easier explanations. Books have different options on round robins.

                                                          In my experience round robins are usually good if you have a bunch of picks that you really like to win, yet you don't want to do a full parlay in case you get unlucky and 1 or more lose.
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                                                          • Masu485
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 08-14-08
                                                            • 7700

                                                            #30
                                                            looking at the options at my book, it seems kind of complicated. i'm guessing i'll do RR with 2's? 3's?
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                                                            • TurkzZ
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 01-07-09
                                                              • 4095

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by mihaita666
                                                              well, humanity without humor is boring, that's one of my living principles
                                                              the force is strong with you master capper
                                                              Forward points to Karayilan, i am unable to receive SBR points
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                                                              • uva3021
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 03-01-07
                                                                • 537

                                                                #32
                                                                what about a play like Atalanta v Cagliari

                                                                Atalanta 1.83 ($268,000)

                                                                Cagliari 5 ($8000)
                                                                Draw 3.75 ($7000)

                                                                would atalanta just be a square bet? high volume on high favorite, but its absurd the percentage of bets on one side
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                                                                • Masu485
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 08-14-08
                                                                  • 7700

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by uva3021
                                                                  what about a play like Atalanta v Cagliari

                                                                  Atalanta 1.83 ($268,000)

                                                                  Cagliari 5 ($8000)
                                                                  Draw 3.75 ($7000)

                                                                  would atalanta just be a square bet? high volume on high favorite, but its absurd the percentage of bets on one side
                                                                  it looks like a good play even without any fixes.
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                                                                  • JOHON8
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 01-28-10
                                                                    • 7712

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by uva3021
                                                                    what about a play like Atalanta v Cagliari

                                                                    Atalanta 1.83 ($268,000)

                                                                    Cagliari 5 ($8000)
                                                                    Draw 3.75 ($7000)

                                                                    would atalanta just be a square bet? high volume on high favorite, but its absurd the percentage of bets on one side
                                                                    Atalanta is currently sitting in the relegation zone = desparate, and they actually beat Cagliari away from home, 0-1 on February 8th. But the last time they met Cagliari won 3-0 at home. The huge bet is still a mystery though since I have no idea how popular Atalanta is with the public, interesting to see how the game is played with these odds.
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                                                                    • loyd
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 02-16-10
                                                                      • 376

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JOHON8
                                                                      The huge bet is still a mystery though since I have no idea how popular Atalanta is with the public, interesting to see how the game is played with these odds.
                                                                      the 268,000 is the amount that was backed at 1.89 and is being laid at 1.83. 0.03 x 268.000 is $8040. the bettors offering that money want to secure a 0.03 point profit before even the match starts.
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