SBR Golden Shoe Tournament: Knockout Stages Rules & Pairings

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  • EaglesPhan36
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-06-06
    • 71662

    #1
    SBR Golden Shoe Tournament: Knockout Stages Rules & Pairings
    RULES FOR THE KO STAGES

    1. All lines will be used courtesy of Pinnacle Sports. I will post them the night prior to the scheduled matches. Leagues will include Argentina Primera, England Premier, France Ligue 1, Germany Bundesliga, Italy Serie-A, Spain Primera, Europa League & Champions League. There are no limits on what lines you may choose. Anything available from -1000 to +1000 will be open. I will list all Asian Handicap lines, Moneylines, Draws & Totals for scheduled matches.

    **ALSO, STILL DO NOT EDIT YOUR PICKS AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED THEM. IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL A PICK AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED IT, SIMPLY MAKE A NEW POST TO CANCEL THAT PLAY. ANY POST THAT IS EDITED WILL NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD YOUR TOTAL.

    **ONCE A SQUASH HAS BEEN PLAYED ON A PICK, THAT PICK IS LOCKED IN AND CANNOT BE AVOIDED/CANCELLED. YOU MAY ONLY CANCEL PLAYS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CHOSEN AS SQUASHES AND/OR THE MATCH HAS NOT STARTED.

    2. Each player will be allowed a MAXIMUM once again of 21 plays. There is no minimum number of picks, so no penalties for not picking a certain number of picks. ALL PICKS WILL ONCE AGAIN GOES AS FOLLOW, WHEN BETTING FAVORITES (-110, -120, etc) ... YOU WAGER "TO WIN" ONE UNIT, MEANING YOU ARE BETTING 1.10 TO WIN 1 UNIT OR 1.20 TO WIN ONE UNIT. WHEN BETTING UNDERDOGS, YOU ARE "RISKING ONE UNIT" AS IN WHEN A PRICE IS +145, YOU ARE RISKING ONE UNIT TO WIN 1.45. Players may play any line they choose, be it the same or different as their opponent. IF A PLAYER DOES NOT MAKE A SELECTION AT ALL IN THE ROUND, HIS OPPONENT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE AWARDED THE WIN FOR THE ROUND.

    3. Each round, each player will be given two SQUASHES to use. What's this? Once your opponent has selected a pick, you have the opportunity to use a SQUASH as an opportunity to make one of their picks a play for 3 times the normal one unit betting size. In other words, you can make 2 of your opponent's picks - "best bets" for them. The opportunity here is that if you look at one of their picks and believe it to be a loser, then you put the SQUASH on it as a chance to SQUASH your opponent and saddle them with a three unit loss. It is your choice whether or not to use these SQUASHES as it can help you or hurt you, much like the best bets of the Group Stages. If you choose to use one, simply post which pick of your opponent's you want to squash.

    4. To give the KO stages a "two leg feel" like a home/away sort of vibe ...

    *In the Round of 16, the #1 seeded player in each match-up calls their shot on Saturdays. What does this mean? This player gets to pick the two leagues he feels he has an advantage in or likes the lines better, whatever & that will be the ONLY leagues allowed for picks in that match-up for SATURDAY. On SUNDAY, the #2 seed gets the same opportunity to pick two leagues that they want and all picks that day must come ONLY from those two leagues. The only leagues allowed are those listed in Rule #1 in this post. The player seedings were determined by finishing order in the Group Stages. It is your choice if you want to use this option or not. You may choose to not call your shot which leaves all leagues per Rule #1 open to selection for picks on that day.

    The "shot" or leagues a participant wants to play on those days MUST BE selected on FRIDAY by 11pm ET for the SATURDAY match-ups and by 11pm ET on SATURDAY for the SUNDAY match-ups. If a player chooses not to call his shot by this deadline or misses the deadline, then all leagues available per Rule #1 will be open for selection of picks on that day.

    5. All grading this round will be done by EaglesPhan36. I invite you to track your play and your opponent's plays as a way to double check my math and your own.

    6. The winners of the Knockout Stage matches is determined by the number of units won in the match-up. In case of a tie, WIN-LOSS record for the match-up is the first tie breaker. The 2nd tie breaker will be UNITS EARNED throughout the entire tournament (includes Group Stages). If another tie breaker is needed, there will be a
    there will be a ONE MATCH playoff between competitors on the next available wagering day. Each competitor will be required to make two selections on that day from the lines provided with each wager considered a BEST BET for 2 units, either risking 2 on underdogs or "to win" 2 units on favorites. In that case, players MUST PLAY different lines than their opponents.

    7. Winners of the Round of 16 will be paired up for the Quarterfinals in a randomly generated bracket that will then be used through the Championship Match-up.
    Last edited by EaglesPhan36; 12-08-09, 01:08 PM.
  • EaglesPhan36
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 12-06-06
    • 71662

    #2
    GROUP A
    #1: EaglesPhan36 18-13-1 (+5.65 units)
    #2: Smogs 16-30 (-18.21 units)

    GROUP B
    #1: JamesBrown 16-14 (+3.91 units)
    #2: Phillth 11-19 (-6.50 units)

    GROUP C

    #1: mats9863 18-11-1 (+8.18 units)
    #2: Will C 21-15-3 (+8.07 units)

    GROUP D
    #1: TurkzZ 18-19-2 (+0.03)
    #2: aca 18-12-2 (+3.40)

    GROUP E
    #1: mew6789 28-22-3 (+4.38)
    #2: Karayilan9 16-20-2 (-6.67)

    GROUP F
    #1: jw 21-21-3 (+4.40)
    #2: BL 14-23-1 (-17.52)

    GROUP G
    #1: tbill11 15-13-2 (+4.31 units)
    #2: bigdog3580 16-17 (+0.04 units)

    GROUP H
    #1: svenodds 25-17 (+16.26 units)
    #2: Ayn 25-9 (+17.315 units)

    To keep it random, I am matching up the #1 vs. #2 in each group, going with A vs. H, B vs. G, C vs. F, D vs. E.


    ROUND OF 16 KO STAGES MATCHES

    #1 EaglesPhan36 vs. #2 Ayn

    #1 svenodds vs. #2 Smogs

    #1 JamesBrown vs. #2 bigdog3580

    #1 tbill11 vs. #2 Phillth

    #1 mats9863 vs. #2 BL

    #1 jw vs. #2 Will C

    #1 TurkzZ vs. #2 Karayilan9

    #1 mew6789 vs. #2 aca
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    • EaglesPhan36
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 12-06-06
      • 71662

      #3
      I will be posting a thread for each match-up to make the picks easy to find. I will be posting those & Champions League/Argentina match lines for tomorrow here in just a few minutes.
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      • jw
        SBR MVP
        • 10-25-09
        • 3999

        #4
        Hey EP ...

        1. Do we no longer have our own 2pt "BEST BET" plays? The only thing that can increase our one point plays is if an opponent uses "squash" on our selection .. and that turns our one point into a 3 point .... is this correct?

        (I assume a play of -200 if squashed and game lost turns into a -6pt play is this correct?)

        2. One a play has been "squashed" I assume that it can no longer be cancelled.
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        • Karayilan9
          Restricted User
          • 01-10-09
          • 3742

          #5
          EaglesPhan do I have to be against "TurkzZ"? can we be moved, we know each other and discuss our plays, its not really fair on everybody else as we wouldn't mind whoever got through to the next stage.
          Last edited by Karayilan9; 12-07-09, 10:31 PM.
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          • EaglesPhan36
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 12-06-06
            • 71662

            #6
            Sorry Kara, I was just randomly matching groups up and that's how it showed. I know it may effect public plays, etc. - but I think that's how things should be paired up just as they will be in the next round - randomly to protect from any calls of favoritism. I too would rather see that match-up at a later time, but think about Champions League, etc. - sometimes the big boys play each other early!

            jw - yes the SQUASHES are taking place of the best bets in these rounds. You are correct. If your opponent picks -200 and you "SQUASH" that play, he would lose 6 units on the play if it lost and win three units if correct. If the play was for say +200, he'd lose three if he lost the play and win +6 if the play won.
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            • mihaita666
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-13-09
              • 8596

              #7
              ep, i think that rules should be a bit modified for the next tourney...i have some things in mind, and all im thinking of is upgrading your ideas, and develop new ones....but overall, its fine...
              Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
              2010-2011 season (soccer) :
              144-95-11
              NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
              17-12-1


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              • EaglesPhan36
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 12-06-06
                • 71662

                #8
                That would be great. This was the test run really, so I would expect we can come up with better ideas next time.
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                • mihaita666
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 09-13-09
                  • 8596

                  #9
                  good, ill think about some rulz, and when the next contest will be about to start ill let u know what was on my mind
                  Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
                  2010-2011 season (soccer) :
                  144-95-11
                  NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
                  17-12-1


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                  • TWEETS
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-22-08
                    • 2114

                    #10
                    We need to beat on SBR to get a World Cup Contest setup actually on SBRpicks to save everyone the time of grading plays. They've got 6 months to get it working.
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                    • EaglesPhan36
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 12-06-06
                      • 71662

                      #11
                      Guys participating in this round, I added this as per the last round ...

                      ALSO, STILL DO NOT EDIT YOUR PICKS AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED THEM. IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL A PICK AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED IT, SIMPLY MAKE A NEW POST TO CANCEL THAT PLAY. ANY POST THAT IS EDITED WILL NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD YOUR TOTAL.


                      I think that just makes it easier on everyone so that if someone does go back and change something, no one has to wonder what the reason was or worry about whether or not it counts - just don't edit posts, make new ones if you need to cancel picks that were already made.
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                      • EaglesPhan36
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 12-06-06
                        • 71662

                        #12
                        Also, just as you did with a "best bet" last round, if you want to use your SQUASH - simply Post which play by your opponent you want to SQUASH.
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                        • EaglesPhan36
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 12-06-06
                          • 71662

                          #13
                          Please take note also that I am going to begin paying the prizes round-by-round, so each KO Stage participant will receive their 10 SBR points today!
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                          • aca
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-20-06
                            • 2111

                            #14
                            Originally posted by EaglesPhan36
                            ALSO, STILL DO NOT EDIT YOUR PICKS AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED THEM. IF YOU WANT TO CANCEL A PICK AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED IT, SIMPLY MAKE A NEW POST TO CANCEL THAT PLAY. ANY POST THAT IS EDITED WILL NOT BE COUNTED TOWARD YOUR TOTAL.
                            I don't like CANCEL posibility! What about someone use SQUASH and after other Cancel that play because that?

                            Could you cancel play when you take bet at sportbook?

                            I dont know what is point of this rule!

                            No minimum play is weird too!
                            Someone absent could be winner very easy behind regular player!

                            Thanks and all The Best!
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                            • BL
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-11-09
                              • 4070

                              #15
                              same question here. Can we cancel a bet after the opponent made it a SQUASH ?
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                              • EaglesPhan36
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 12-06-06
                                • 71662

                                #16
                                Let me add two things and it will show in the Rules in each thread and here.

                                NO. YOU CANNOT CANCEL A PLAY AFTER SOMEONE HAS CHOSEN TO SQUASH IT. YOU MAY ONLY CANCEL A PLAY IF IT HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED FOR A SQUASH AND THE MATCH HAS NOT BEGUN.

                                IF ANYONE NO SHOWS, THEIR OPPONENT WILL AUTOMATICALLY MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ROUND.

                                I think it's fair for the last part because this is a crucial stage where making no plays should not be rewarded. But I also have said I think this point on should involve a fair amount of strategy and I believe that is what having no minimum plays will do. Hope that makes sense!
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                                • mihaita666
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 09-13-09
                                  • 8596

                                  #17
                                  agree with the last ideea
                                  Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
                                  2010-2011 season (soccer) :
                                  144-95-11
                                  NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
                                  17-12-1


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                                  • TurkzZ
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-07-09
                                    • 4095

                                    #18
                                    putting me with Kara? common, for the good of the torni we should be kept seperate until at least the semis or at least quaters. now one of us is just going to no show otherwise it will create competiton and effect the plays we make
                                    Forward points to Karayilan, i am unable to receive SBR points
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                                    • EaglesPhan36
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 12-06-06
                                      • 71662

                                      #19
                                      Again it was just random, I didn't plan it to be anything but that and I think it would be a bad message to try & avoid an "early" match-up just because it is two of the studs in the soccer forum. The seeding was based on Group Stages and this is how it worked out. No one knew how the groups would shake out. I'm trying to avoid any calls of favoritism or anything here & it's bound to happen at some point and whatever happens with "real" picks or "contest" picks because of a match-up is what happens. It was random chance to match-up those two groups and if Kara had won his last match-up, you would not have met, but it is what it is. Sorry guys.
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                                      • alka07
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 10-04-09
                                        • 441

                                        #20
                                        gl to everybody on theri plays
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                                        • EaglesPhan36
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 12-06-06
                                          • 71662

                                          #21
                                          Pairings for the Quarterfinals will be posted this evening after the final match-up in the Round of 16 is decided. Rules will remain the same for the QFs as for this past round.
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                                          • Smogs
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 12-31-08
                                            • 4173

                                            #22
                                            dam close with me and sven
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                                            • EaglesPhan36
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 12-06-06
                                              • 71662

                                              #23
                                              QUARTERFINAL MATCH-UPS
                                              1.Smogs vs. TurkzZ
                                              2.EaglesPhan36 vs. mats9863
                                              3.aca vs. Phillth
                                              4.JamesBrown vs. jw


                                              This will be the bracket through the Championship. So the winner of #1 takes on #2. Winner of #3 takes on #4. Then those winners take on each other in the Championship Match! Will have new threads for each QF match in a bit. Week runs again from MONDAY-SUNDAY. Same rules as Round of 16.


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                                              • EaglesPhan36
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 12-06-06
                                                • 71662

                                                #24
                                                SEMIFINAL MATCHUPS
                                                Smogs vs. EaglesPhan36
                                                Phillth vs. JamesBrown
                                                Guys with the winter breaks for the major leagues, I am proposing a start date for the semifinal round of January 4th and the round would run through Sunday, January 10th. Only England, Italy & Spain will be in action that week - so I leave it up to the majority of the four players left as to whether you would want to wait another week to have France & Germany available again OR we could add an additional league for the semifinal round.

                                                Australia, Portugal, Greece & Israel are some of the very few leagues that come back or continue playing through that part of the month. So Smogs, Phillth & JamesBrown speak your peace about this.

                                                Me personally, I am fine with using England, Italy & Spain only and would prefer not to wait another week. If we add one, I'd prefer Portugal or Greece probably.
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                                                • Phillth
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 04-09-09
                                                  • 1785

                                                  #25
                                                  Im down with Jan 4th and adding portugal.
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                                                  • EaglesPhan36
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 12-06-06
                                                    • 71662

                                                    #26
                                                    Also, semifinalists - you have been paid your 50 SBR points for making in this far. Congratulations. Remember, the overall Champion will get 125 additional points and the runner-up gets 75 as our last two prizes. Hope you guys have enjoyed this and hope we can have more of this with SBR taking control to make things smoother.
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                                                    • svenodds
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-12-09
                                                      • 1790

                                                      #27
                                                      soon i hope, greatwork EP
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                                                      • JamesBrown
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 04-07-08
                                                        • 3860

                                                        #28
                                                        Awesome job EP....I am good with Jan. 4.
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                                                        • Smogs
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 12-31-08
                                                          • 4173

                                                          #29
                                                          EP, you have been excellent, and this has been good fun, 4th Jan is fine with me
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                                                          • mihaita666
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-13-09
                                                            • 8596

                                                            #30
                                                            ep vs phlilth that's the final i see :P congrats guys for such a great contest :P
                                                            Soccer record (2010) : 244-160-24
                                                            2010-2011 season (soccer) :
                                                            144-95-11
                                                            NBA Record (2010-2011 season) :
                                                            17-12-1


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                                                            • EaglesPhan36
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 12-06-06
                                                              • 71662

                                                              #31
                                                              Alright, January 4th to start seems good with us all. Any thoughts on additional leagues outside of Phillth wanting Portugal? Part of me would almost like to keep it to the leagues we have had the whole time for consistency going into the finals, but I'll go with the majority here.
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