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Originally Posted by forsberg21
We don't have a collapsing economy. Their economy is doing better than you think.
Better than I think??? Are you for real??? Did you hear the news of the insurance companies and banks that went completely bankrupt??? Lehman Brothers and its BILLIONS of DOLLARS disappeared overnight. The millions and millions of lost jobs and near bankruptcy of Chrysler and GM sure show how the American economy is rebounding. But you're right, while the US will post a NEGATIVE GDP growth rate this year, China's economy will expand by 5+ % this year alone. Oh, and the OECD said that Canada will escape the recession quicker than any other developed country in the world. But you're right, the US economy is doing better than most people think.
USA will be fine, recession is already over. Can't just look at who did worse in the bad times. Have to also look at who is doing better in the good times (USA).
=== This sounds like another opinion to be that is based on no facts whatsoever. "USA will be fine, recession is already over". The experts don't even know if the recession is over yet. If you want to talk about the worser times, look at what the US lost during the recession. The bank system was gutted with many multi billion dollar banks declaring bankruptcy. Chrysler and GM showed truly how vulnerable they are to superior foreign competition. Hummer and Saturn were forced to sell their brands with Hummer being sold to a Chinese businessman. If you want to know the truth about who truly is doing better in the "good times", the GDP growth across Canada and the US has historically been very similar. If Canada is doing well, so is the US, and vice versa. However, the fact is that this financial crisis ruined the American economy while it only slightly shrank Canada's. ===
We don't have higher crime and murder rates. True
We never had a president with a sub 70 IQ. Chretien
Ok, Chretien or Bush, who's your choice? That wasn't the question.
=== Ok are you even comparing Chretien to Bush? You can't be serious. Bush was the laughing stock of the world by the time he finished his presidency. Who's dumber, Bush, or the people who elected him? Just like Hugo Chavez recently said during a meeting of world leaders, "This place no longer smells like sulfur (hell)".
We don't have the obese people the US has. We don't have the babes the U.S. has.
Babes??? Are you for real? I'm living here right now and to tell you the truth, there's not much of a difference. If you even want to talk about babes, neither countries should even be mentioned with having great babes. Eastern Europe is so far ahead of us you wouldn't even comprehend it unless you actually saw how lucky the guys are in those countries for yourself. This is a Canada vs USA comparison, son. They have more babes by virtue of their larger population. That's why they also have more fatasses. I don't mind seeing more fatasses if it means I also get to see more babes.
=== This only makes sense if you look at all 300+ million Americans at the very same time, versus seeing 30+ million Canadians all at the same time. Sounds pretty ridiculous, doesn't it. Unless your two eyes can see the entire population all at once, this is one of the silliest arguments I've come across. The density of the population is what matters.
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We don't have the crumbling education system the US has. Yes, we do.
If you ever spoke with the "typical" American, you'd see that he has absolutely no common sense whatsoever. These people know very little about what's going on in this world it's embarrassing. If you think that Canada's education system is crumbling, at least we have common sense. I get the same impression talking to Canadians. Rural people in Canada are just like the rural morons in the USA, though less religious. I think it is sad how ignorant Americans are with regards to the rest of the world, too, but maybe it makes sense. When you're a small country like Canada you're always looking outside at other countries. When you are the shit like the USA, you are the center of attention so it makes sense to make more introspection.
=== Ok, on rural population you may be correct, but even the urban population in the US has no idea what is going on in the world. You have politicians in the US who don't even know the names of the Prime Minister and President of Canada and Mexico, both of the US's neighbours (for those who don't know who the US's neigbhours are). I don't know if you're accurate in saying Canada is a "small" country. As one of the most developed countries in the world, Canada does have a degree of influence on the way the world operates. Just look at where your oil is coming from.
That's right. Canada is your number 1 source of oil. Talk about irrelevance, right? What would happen if we just shut off the giant pipeline??? When you say that the US is the "shit", I see where you are coming from, but your ignorance and arrogance is well acknowledged. Shouldn't a country that is so "great" know something about the world it proclaims it governs? And again, the US is in the news for all the wrong reasons. The US has a pretty bad image and reputation around the world for involving itself in issues it shouldn't get involved in. Simply stated, the world doesn't really like the US. I've lived in Europe for 2 years and I can say that the Europeans don't like you as much as you think they like you. And no, I didn't live in Russia. Oh, and that episode in Copenhagen last week just shows how much the world loves you. Chicago as the city who hosts the 2016 games? Eliminated in the first round. Just goes to show how much the world has embraced Obama the saviour.
We don't have the Chinese buying up trillions and trillions of dollars worth of everything we own. Instead we have trillions and trillions of Chinese coming here. I'd rather they just owned our shit and stayed in China.
Ok, it doesn't matter what "you'd rather". The fact is that the China owns over $2 trillion in US Treasury Bills. The US is in such a deficit that the numbers would truly scare the living daylights out of Americans if they could ever comprehend how bad a situation they are in. And if I owned $2 trillion in T-bills, should the USA be scared? What difference does it make if USA owes me $2 tn or owes China $2 tn? China does not act like a loan shark that demands everything be paid or else. The t-bills have an expiry date and only then must the debt be repaid. China can't just bankrupt the USA by wanting a lump sum payment.
=== The US should be scared that the Chinese have them by the balls for a total of $2 trillion. Do you understand why? Because that money has to repaid one day. Interest is being paid on that money as I write this. The more money the US keeps issuing in Treasury Bills, the more worthless their own money becomes. And now I'll show you why the Chinese have the power here. If China all of a sudden wanted to royally screw the US, they could sell all those Treasury Bills on the open market. With all those extra US dollars out there, what do you think happens to the value of the US dollar? It plummets. China's power over the US is well beyond the comprehension of most Americans. What do they tell you in the media over there in the US? That everything is going well, that the recession isn't as bad as it seems, that health care is really an evil thing, or that the next generation of Chinese people will be eating your lunches and dinners.
We don't have the right to not have a national health care plan. Americans aren't taxed through the teeth for it.
Taxed through their teeth? Check out the tax rates in New York state if you're making a pretty much. It's very similar to what we have in Canada. But of course, we do have healthcare. If you compare taxes to other nations with health care plans, Canada's taxes are actually very low. Although the Scandinavian countries do have excellent health care systems, their highest earning citizens are taxes as high as 60%. You don't see that in Canada. No point discussing the health care issue again. Canada more equitable, but less efficient. Why do you think Belinda Stronach went to the US for breast cancer treatment instead of staying in Canada? Probably because she didn't like the idea of 6-12 month waitlists for key surgeries. That's why I laugh at anyone who says they like the Canadian health care system cause you can just walk in the door, get treatment, and leave and that's it. Walk-in clinics are fukking nothing compared to the true delivery of health care (which are surgeries, extended treatment/therapies, drugs).
=== Ok, this one is the funniest of them all. Let me ask you a question. How much money do you think this Ms. Stronach was paid by the Republicans to say all this? Do you really believe this is true? Do you believe every single thing the media says to be 100% fact. Politicians have lied in the past, they are clearly doing it again here. I'm sure Ms. Stronach's bank account grew as big as the belt size of a burger eating Yank after that one aired in the States. Did you guys really believe what she was saying? Man, you guys really are gullible. Here's a fact. My father had to get hip replacement surgery. From the point of all the testing and diagnosis to the day of the surgery, he had to wait a total of 1 month. And do you know how much he paid. $0. How much would that same surgery have costed in the US without health insurance? I'd rather not know. Do you know how many Americans DIE, yes DIE, each year because they don't have health insurance. The answer, which was discovered by a Harvard University study, pegged the figure at 50,000. Why do Americans think a national health care system is such a bad idea. Did you know that the US is the ONLY developed country in the world without a national health care plan? Did you know that the best countries to live in - the socialist ones - all have excellent national health care systems? Why doesn't health care work in the US? Because Americans Americans want to make a profit on it, they do not care about the well being of their neighbours. They equate health care to profit. That is why the system will never work.
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And if there was ever any doubt, the Human Development Report released annually be the United Nations ranks the best countries to live in. Have a look for yourself: This is what prompted the whole discussion. I already said that yeah I'd rather live in a randomly chosen spot in Canada than a randomly chosen spot in the USA, but if I ever moved to the USA it'd obviously be because I prefer it for some reason, and I wouldn't choose to live with Chi Archie in Garfield, Chicago.
=== From my experiences, my take on the States is that it's more hype that anything else. You think that you are God's gift to the world. Americans will tell you that their country is the best, but can't tell you why. They have a false sense of confidence. I just can't wait to get out of here and setup shop back in Canada or Europe. As long as the Americans I come across in my everyday life keep displaying such a tone of ignorance and arrogance towards the rest of the world, I'll do everything in my power to inform those of what type of country America really is.Comment -
No turkey in your belly to feel the importance?Originally posted by mathdotcom
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Could not read whole thing but liked the bit about.... what if Canada shut off oil supply to USA? lol
What if USA closed its borders to us or pointed its guns at us?
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sickler, another thanksgiving alone
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What if the US closed their borders? Well they've already started that but requiring Canadians to present passports at the border. And how did we reply? We did the same, we do have balls you know.
Pointing guns at each other? My friend, we don't live in those days anymore. The present and future state of the world is and will be governed by trade, not might. Like any patriotic Canadian, I'll defend my country, especially from those who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
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Which is exactly why Canada would be fukkin retarded to stop selling oil to the U.S.Originally posted by forsberg21
You would bankrupt Alberta which would do a lot more harm to Canada than to the U.S., who would not be happy about dealing more with Russians and diaperheads, but they would.Comment -
I never said it would be "fukkin retarded to stop selling oil to the U.S.". I was pointing out the fact that Canada has vast amounts of oil reserves, which represent power, and thus renders your statement of Canada being internationally irrelevant as completely insignificant.
I highly doubt that Alberta would go bankrupt. The US is not the oil nation in the world that buys oil you know. Man, what do they teach you at those schools???Comment -
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Sickler stop bumping threads with Bread and Fagmax. NO one here cares about those guys anymore except you.Comment -
Exactly, could not have said it better.Originally posted by lakerboyComment -
Bite me, I'll bump what I want.Originally posted by lakerboyComment -
Snowboarding Whistler/ Blackcomb mountains and the millions of tourists who gladly pay $40 forlift tickets
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attaboy!Originally posted by sicklerComment -
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sounds racist to me, since SBR went so PC !Originally posted by mathdotcom
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tim hortons, the maple leafs, lacrosse and not living in the united statesComment -
Bump for Lakerboy.
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Cunt.Originally posted by sicklerBump for Lakerboy.
I bumped it this morning.Comment -
The #1 thing Canadians have to be thankful for is that "We are not Americans"
The U.S. is going to hell in a handbasket. Massive debt and getting larger.
Not good for us Northern Neighbours but better than living there.
America is a great country, but that unfortunately is about to end.Comment -
thisOriginally posted by Mike HuntertzComment -
Canadians are thankful for Boxing Day, the one day of the year when you can line up outside hours before the stores open to get 50% off a tv.
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Thankful to not be American.Comment -
Not feeling very patriotic these days, Doug?Originally posted by Doug
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Since this is a gambling forum I'm thankful for being able to have accounts at Pinny and BetFair. (w/o using any dodgy IP tactics)
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Originally posted by forsberg21Originally posted by mathdotcom
, Mathy
US has become a shithole in some/a lot of parts, and I could say fuk the US no problem, but I just have to laugh at idiot Candian nationalism like this and the painfully obvious inferiority complex.
Canada doesn't hold 1/100th of the significance the US has had past and present. Most of everything you have/do is adapted/copied from the US: You watch US sports, US movies/shows; listen to US music; your pop culture comes from US; US businesses and investors dominate your economy; much of your goverment is based off the US's; and you even fight in the US's bullshit wars like Iraq.
I can't name one thing that Americans give two fuks about from Canada, not even Hockey.
And Canada goes down when the US goes down, you clowns. Militarily, economically, doesn't matter; you're fuked without the US.Comment -
BigSpoon, that is the perfect answer for a gambler. Pinny + moneybookers, a combo the yanks would kill for.Comment -
Sigh... another ignorant fool going on his "America is the greatest" rants when he's absolutely clueless with what goes on in the real world. Let's begin.Originally posted by Sunde91
, Mathy
US has become a shithole in some/a lot of parts, and I could say fuk the US no problem, but I just have to laugh at idiot Candian nationalism like this and the painfully obvious inferiority complex.
Canada doesn't hold 1/100th of the significance the US has had past and present. Most of everything you have/do is adapted/copied from the US: You watch US sports, US movies/shows; listen to US music; your pop culture comes from US; US businesses and investors dominate your economy; much of your goverment is based off the US's; and you even fight in the US's bullshit wars like Iraq.
I can't name one thing that Americans give two fuks about from Canada, not even Hockey.
And Canada goes down when the US goes down, you clowns. Militarily, economically, doesn't matter; you're fuked without the US.
1/100th the significance? What does that mean? Well maybe that's a good thing, because the US has become significant for all the wrong reasons. After the anti Christ was elected, and re-elected (after the vote rigging in Florida, which shouldn't happen in a democratic nation), the world grew hatred towards the USA. If you travel just about anywhere in the world, you'll notice that you'll get treated worse as soon as you tell somebody you're American. Look at what happened with the 2016 Olympics vote, Chicago out in the first round. Then more recently, US lost out to Qatar for the 2022 World Cup. Do you really think that Qatar could host a better World Cup than the US? Probably not, it was FIFA, which is heavily European based and biased, denied the US the right to host the World Cup. Then you have the recent financial crisis, which everyone knows began in the US. Maybe it's not so good being so "significant". At least Canada is "significant" for good things.
This "copying" thing is hilarious. "Most of everything you have/do is adapted/copied from the US". Alright, so when did you visit/live in Canada to witness this? Watching US sports, movies, music, that's true, but your ignorance thinks that that is the only thing that Canadians watch. Canadians have their own TV stations, own movies, own music (many artists which have made it big around the world, in fact, pound for pound, or per capita, I don't have the facts on this, but Canada must produce the most internationally successful artists). Have you ever actually been or lived in Canada before?
The businesses/investors thing is a joke. While you write your complete and utter B.S., banks in Canada acquired 2 American banks this past week in multi billion dollar deals. And you do know that Canada supplies the US with more oil than Saudi Arabia, right? And that dependence on Canadian oil is climbing more and more everyday. You know that Blackberry that millions and millions of Americans use, right? I bet you didn't know where that came from. As for much of our government being "based" of the US's? Would you care to explain this? Canada's government is actually structured much different than the US's, but I'd like to hear your interpretation. Oh and Canada actually refused to participate in the Iraq War. "and you even fight in the US's bullshit wars like Iraq" If you want to nonsense like this, at least get your facts straight son. You come out here and make a statement is that completely, absolutely, 100% false. What does that say about the rest of what you've wrote here?
As for your "And Canada goes down when the US goes down, you clowns." Where did you get your economics degree from there Sunde? This couldn't be further from the truth. While American banks were writing down assets by the billions and going bankrupt, each and every single one of Canada's banks were recording billion dollar profits every quarter during the recession that was started by the US. Canada's banks, and entire economy for that matter, were structured in a way that let it escape from the recession the fastest out of the G8 countries. I have no idea what you're basing your quote on over there. While the US's economy was falling like a house of cards, Canada's economy - which is strong in natural resources that were continuously being sold to China during the recession, remained afloat.
I can keep going on and on about how much of a fool you are, but I'll limit it to this. Get your facts straight before you go on your ignorant rants. The US's time is over on the world stage. You do know that all those millions and millions of jobs that have gone to China aren't coming back, right? During your lifetime, you'll witness the progression of how the Chinese will become the new superpower, and it's because of lazy, ignorant, self entitled rednecks like you who are an utter disgrace to those who built your country. While you're watching the Jersey Shore, they were building a superpower. You're time's up son, every superpower comes and goes.
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You forgot a lot of stuff in your response to Sunde, but good job. You earned the points that I gave you.Comment -
Such a large wall of text, so little substance.Originally posted by forsberg21
Where exactly did I say America is the greatest? I said it's a ridiculous comparisson to Canada. But I mean if we're talking facts, I don't know what other country you would say is greater considering: #1 in GDP; top 10 in per capita GDP, higher than Canada; #1 military; most influential country; etc.
You're the one who's natioanlist zeal for Canada is absolutely laughable. I said I could care less for US, but have to laugh at Canadian zealots who show so much pride, thinking they're superior to US in some abstract, moral sense.
Love the leftist biased too. Bash Bush, great, but that was two years ago, and you never mention Obama. I wonder why? You're a leftist multiculturalist, does it pain you to see the "redneck" bigots of the US elect a minority before Marxist Canadians?
And yes, Canada would be just fine without the US. Only 65/79% of its imports/exports come from US, accounting for 60% of its GDP. Not to mention military dependence in the event of a War. I think Mexico could overtake you
No Canada in Iraq?
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And you must not know what an inferioirty complex is, or failed to be original by repeating what I called you. If anything, it's Americans with the superiority complex, Canadians with the inferioirty complex.
Be sure to write-up another great wall of text spouted with righteous indignation and layered with ad hominems (makes the inferioirty complex all the more obvious, doesn't it?).Comment -
"Such a large wall of text, so little substance." Yea, that's because your sub 80 IQ brain is not capable of digesting any of it.
In your first post, you were a drunken, rambling fool and now you are wannabe scholar with your "natioanlist zeal", "leftist multiculturalist", "Marxist Canadians", "pouted with righteous indignation and layered with ad hominems" phrases which you probably found on thesauraus.com and don't comprehend the meaning. Call me a "Marxist Canadian" all you want, I don't even know what you mean by that, and probably neither do you, you complete and utter fool.
The GDP per capita comparison, the US has a higher GDP per capita by a few percent, depending on which source you use. The difference isn't material. Your #1 military has actually indebted you to the tune of trillions of dollars in case you didn't notice. Your going to be paying back your Obama bailouts throughout the course of your entire lives. The US is drowning in debt in case you didn't notice. All of this wealth that you see in the US, well it's not real. It's artificial. It was created by your banks. It's backed by nothing tangible other than fictitious credits. And how on earth did American banks suck out all that money from the economy, and then were able to fool the American people into receiving hundreds of billions of their tax dollars through bailouts? You don't realize it, but your government has you by the balls and you allow it to happen. And what has Obama done exactly? He inherited a mess, fair enough, but he's done nothing. Anyways, I could go on and on here, and you know I could, but I'm just going to stop and move onto my next point.
Your next point about the Iraq War, I'm going to dismiss that first link because it's obviously written by some sort of anti-war maniac who distorts facts in support a point of view that isn't true. It's hilarious how that writer mentions the Canada Pension Plan in investing in companies "involved" in the war as being equivalent to supporting the war. LOL. He probably thinks that investing in McDonald's is the same as supporting the Iraq War because there is a McDonald's on an American military base in Iraq. LOL. The second link, which is from a more reliable source mentions that "Canada's indirect contribution to the American war effort in Iraq — three ships and 100 exchange officers". So this INDIRECT contribution has produced how many troops exactly? Zero? How many Canadians have died in Iraq? Zero? Of course, troops have died in Afghanistan, but none have died in Iraq, because there are NONE there. Keep believing that Canada has troops in Iraq, it'll will continue to ruin your credibility just like your other statements already have.
Lastly, about the US being influential in the world, I'll give you that, but you think that the US is more influential than they really are. In Europe, where nations are bordered by 5, 6, 7 other countries, do you really think that they give a damn what's happening in the US? No, they give a damn and are influenced through their direct neighbours' behaviour. They don't give two shits about the US. I can tell you this from experience. They have their own governments, own business, own media, different cultures and different way of life. If there's one thing I regret about Canada, it's all this bullshit that we "import" from the US. In this area, life in Europe was a lot better during my time there.
Anyways, Sunde, I don't know what kind of reply I'm going to get next. You've already done the "drunken, ignorant, redneck" routine as well as the "sophisticated, intellectual, scholarly" bit as well. What's next? Are you still going to try and convince me that Canada has troops in Iraq? Just give it up son.
BTW, if Mexico COULD overtake us, or if Mexico COULDN'T overtake us, it's completely irrelevant. The source of power is shifting from military to economy in today's world, in case you haven't noticed. In fact, I'm glad that Canada doesn't bankrupt itself by investing in an army which is becoming less and less relevant in the world everyday, much like our neighbours to the south have.Comment -
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Blah, blah, blah; another non-substantive wall of text. More personal attacks, more generalizations, more tangents, more straw mans, more snobbishness from just another dime a dozen self-righteous Canadian.
Were you even aware that Canada was in fact involved in Iraq?What about that 60% of Canada's economy depends on the US?
LMAO, and yeah, I can't comprehend the meaning of "nationalist zeal" and using sources is mind-blowingly sophisticated. Indeed.
How about another 1000 word response
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Son, I can pump out 1000 words in 10 minutes. Look like you took the defensive route this time though so I won't have to unfortunately.Originally posted by Sunde91Blah, blah, blah; another non-substantive wall of text. More personal attacks, more generalizations, more tangents, more straw mans, more snobbishness from just another dime a dozen self-righteous Canadian.
Were you even aware that Canada was in fact involved in Iraq?What about that 60% of Canada's economy depends on the US?
LMAO, and yeah, I can't comprehend the meaning of "nationalist zeal" and using sources is mind-blowingly sophisticated. Indeed.
How about another 1000 word response
Sunde, do you even know what an "EXPORT" is? I'm going to explain it to you, this was taken from the article you posted earlier:
"While in the United States, the value of trade (exports + imports) as a percentage of GDP was about 21.8% in 2006, the comparable figure for Canada was nearly 60%."
Sunde, you're going to have to follow me slowly here to make sure that you understand this. The sum of Canada's imports + Canada's exports are equivalent to 60% of the value of its total GDP. This does not mean that 60% of Canada's imports and exports make up Canada's economy. That statement is retarded, because imports represent money that is flowing out of the economy and have nothing to do with the production in an economy. This doesn't mean that "60% of Canada's economy depends on the US". Imports are what a country buys from other countries. The goods that Canada buys don't only come from the US. Exports on the other hand, are what a country sells to other countries. Are you following so far Sunde? Ok, so again, Canada doesn't ship every single dollar of exports to the US, other countries buy Canada's exports too. I have no idea how you can link the fact that the sum of Canada's imports and exports mean that Canada's economy depends on the US. That's like me telling you that the Detroit Red Wings have beat the Philadelphia Flyers 4 times in a row, and that you should bet on the Buffalo Bills today because of this fact. There is no logical correlation between these things.
Oh by the way, if you actually read that article you pasted in your previous post, you'd see how out of balance the trade is between Canada and the US. Canada actually ships more goods to the US than what the US ships to Canada. And this trade imbalance is increasing, just like the US's trade balance with China. Same concept. This is one of the main reasons why China has piled up trillions of US dollars actually which has given them the power to manipulate the Chinese Yuan vs. the US Dollar.
20% of the US's exports go to Canada. Does this mean that the 20% of the US's economy is dependent on the Canadian economy. Absolutely not, that is absurd. If you know the difference between domestic consumption/production and imports and exports, you'll understand why the statement you made earlier is false. Until then, don't start spewing out facts here and providing analysis on them as if you're some sort of Noble Prize winning economist. Learn what and export and import are first.
As for the war in Iraq, if you think that investing in a company that is operating in Iraq is the equivalent of having soldiers on the ground fighting battles in Baghdad, then again, your logic is seriously flawed. How many direct combat troops has Canada ever had in Iraq?
Anyways, my 10 minutes are up. Ball's in your court.Comment
